GIA laser inscribed but original certificate missing!

[the3styler]

Hi All,

So in my hunt for the right stone i thought i had finally found what i was looking for.
1.35 ct Si1 G GIA 3Ex
It scores 1.8 on HCA.
Link to cert here: https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=2287020380&s=1543929298211

I had agreed a price, ring etc and it was all in the making. However, today the jeweler has called to say that he cannot find the original certificate. Here is my dilemma.
Option 1: Stone is sent to GIA in order to get a re-issue of an original certificate. I am in the UK so it wont be back until mid-Jan. I had intended to propose first week of Jan.
Option 2: Jeweler has offered an alternative stone instead (promising a decent price for the hassle).

The stone is laser inscribed so i have seen the number on it. If i take it though i don't know if there is anyway i can get an original certificate?

Appreciate advice, thoughts, and if i take another stone how i should approach this?

Thanks!

 

[Stephan]

I'm not a fan of twinning wisps... so I would have a look at the alternative.

 

[Rockdiamond]

Hi All,

So in my hunt for the right stone i thought i had finally found what i was looking for.
1.35 ct Si1 G GIA 3Ex
It scores 1.8 on HCA.
Link to cert here: https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=2287020380&s=1543929298211

I had agreed a price, ring etc and it was all in the making. However, today the jeweler has called to say that he cannot find the original certificate. Here is my dilemma.
Option 1: Stone is sent to GIA in order to get a re-issue of an original certificate. I am in the UK so it wont be back until mid-Jan. I had intended to propose first week of Jan.
Option 2: Jeweler has offered an alternative stone instead (promising a decent price for the hassle).

The stone is laser inscribed so i have seen the number on it. If i take it though i don't know if there is anyway i can get an original certificate?

Appreciate advice, thoughts, and if i take another stone how i should approach this?

Thanks!

In the case of a lost GIA report, the stone must be returned to GIA to have a new one produced.
This is a change from a few years back ( and forever before that) where you could get a duplicate printed.
Having had the experience of not being able to locate a report, and having to unmount and send it back.....it's a hassle....

I'm not a fan of twinning wisps... so I would have a look at the alternative.

I'm curious as to why Stephan.
Personally, I have found amazing SI1 stones with twining wisps......so I have nothing against them as a general rule.

 

[denverappraiser]

The purpose of the GIA inspection is to tell you about the stone. That’s what’s on the report and you have that. Lack of an original report will become a problem if and when you try to sell it, and it may be a problem anyway depending on the date, but if it comes up you can always do it then. There are very few other downsides at this point and otherwise, it doesn’t matter.

Perhaps the jeweler would be willing to give you a discount that’s sufficient to cover the cost of getting a new original report and then leaving the burden on you as to whether or not and when to do it, if at all.

 

[Rockdiamond]

Really good points Neil.
We go crazy if we don't have it- because I feel that at the point of sale, it's the seller's responsibility.
But truly, unless an individual wants to sell the diamond, they'll never need that report.
Plus, if the sale is in more than say....5 years or so, the buyer may demand a new GIA report.
the3styler- I'll be curious to see how much the seller offers.....best of luck!!

 

[Stephan]

I'm curious as to why Stephan.
Personally, I have found amazing SI1 stones with twining wisps......so I have nothing against them as a general rule.

Hi David,
I saw twinning wisps a few times in well cut VS2-SI diamonds, and it's a feature that I really don't like, same for graining, cloud inclusions or obvious fluorescence.

 

[the3styler]

Thanks guys

The sellers been in touch to offer an alternative (GIA report below) which I am hoping to see

https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno= 2307686935&s=1543989875836

Proportions appear quite different but the angles seem there and it scores well on hca at 1.3. ?

Now I’m in a pickle !

Either way I surely have a point to negotiate on price ...?

 

[kmoro]

The first diamond might produce more fire (color light return) because of the smaller table ... most folks on here prefer a table smaller than 59 ...
I would be tempted to just print out a copy of the GIA report that is online and get a big discount ... but on the other hand, this could be a blessing in disguise and you could end up with an altogether different diamond that is blinding. Are you bound to that seller?

 

[the3styler]

Ideally I’d like to go with this seller as they are in a position to make the ring also and can have it ready in time. I’ve saw them a good few times and comfortable with them, compared to some others I had visited.

Kmoro - I think I need to get the two on the table together and compare...! The other could be a blinder... I’m seeing if I can do that today.

If we are talking discount what sort of % should I be angling for ?

 

[the3styler]

Sorry - final thing:

I think the diamond being offered is actually this one - https://www.bluenile.com/uk/diamond...AMONDS&track=viewDiamondDetails&action=newTab

 

[Rockdiamond]

Hi David,
I saw twinning wisps a few times in well cut VS2-SI diamonds, and it's a feature that I really don't like, same for graining, cloud inclusions or obvious fluorescence.

Sorry for the threadjack....
Stephan, I totally get your preference.
I guess my point is that when a person is looking for a combination that includes VS2-SI2 it's necessary to look at the stone more holistically.
Generally speaking, people choose these clarities due to price. Given that, it makes a lot more sense to judge individual clarity characteristics, as opposed to general ones.
Basically, a stone with twining wisps ( for example) may be far preferable to another stone of the same grade with a crystal.....

 

[kmoro]

Ideally I’d like to go with this seller as they are in a position to make the ring also and can have it ready in time. I’ve saw them a good few times and comfortable with them, compared to some others I had visited.

Kmoro - I think I need to get the two on the table together and compare...! The other could be a blinder... I’m seeing if I can do that today.

If we are talking discount what sort of % should I be angling for ?

I hope you don’t mind if I make a suggestion ... perhaps watch some diamond videos so that you’re familiar with the lighting required to make a good comparison. Multi-directional jewelry store lighting makes all diamonds look good.

I’m not sure what discount you should ask for ... don’t want to insult the jeweler, but I’d ask a little high with the expectation of not getting it ... like 15% maybe? ... it’s pretty hard to sell a diamond without the certificate. The discount should cover any cost of having the diamond graded and the time and trouble you would have to go through, and to compensate for your inability to sell without the certificate, even if you don’t intend on selling ever ... just my opinion.

As for a discount - I suppose you need to be careful not to insult your jeweler, but I would throw out a high percentage like 20% and hope for 10%. It’s a significant purchase to not include the standard grading report. Hopefully, someone else can chime in here - I’m really not sure what would be reasonable.