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GIA examines 2 LightBox De Beers diamonds

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  1. Garry H (Cut Nut)
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    by Garry H (Cut Nut) » Feb 11, 2019
    Interesting short article.
    https://www.diamonds.net/news/NewsItem.aspx?tc_dailyemail=1&ArticleID=63345

    One reason De beers are leaders and lowest cost in the market is they have been developing this tech for decades.
    They have by far the most patents and high security.
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    The stones showed no sign of color treatment, unlike many other chemical vapor deposition (CVD) diamonds, the GIA reported. Most producers grow CVD layers quickly, leaving a brown color, knowing they can improve them later with High Pressure-High Temperature (HPHT), Eaton-Magaña explained. For that reason, about 75% of the CVD material in this color range that the GIA has examined to date had been through HPHT treatment following growth, she noted.
     
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    by VDK1 » Feb 11, 2019
    G colour, VG/EX cut, VVS clarity and ...cheap :mrgreen2:
     
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    by OoohShiny » Feb 12, 2019
    Interesting!

    Looks like they will make changes to accord with the FTC ruling, even if they don't actually start grading colour and clarity 'properly'.
     
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    by Garry H (Cut Nut) » Feb 12, 2019
    I like the fact that there is no per carat price difference since they grow a bigger stone and it costs proportionally more to grow and polish. 2 x Ct wt - 2x$'s

    2 x carat weight in natural diamonds = roughly 4 x the $$$$'s because big natural diamonds that make it to the earths surface are rare.
    Other manufacturers are trying to trade off natural diamonds and to me that is opportunistic.

    If this market takes off then De beers could rightly become the monopolist until their patents expire in 15 to 20 years by fairly and reasonably taking advantage of that R&D.
    Patents give companies monopolist rights.
     
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    by BlingADing » Feb 13, 2019
    Thanks for sharing. Interesting.
     
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    by VDK1 » Feb 15, 2019
    Yes, other manufacturers are trying to trade off natural diamonds and that is opportunistic and cheating!
     
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    by vintageloves » Feb 15, 2019
    I wonder if the pinks and blues have been treated in some way.

    In any case, De Beers has exceeded many of the expectations. When lightbox was announced, many people thought the stones would be purposely poorly-cut or low quality just to sully the name of lab diamonds. Instead, the products are a great value. Why would I buy any other lab diamond at this point? I do wish they had released rings for v-day instead of pink hearts (talk about something no one was asking them for) and I wish they would crack on with making bracelets, but overall I'm impressed.
     
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    by Garry H (Cut Nut) » Feb 17, 2019
    It is possible to make pinks and blue in a single CVd process - no doubt De Beers know how
     
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    by blueMA » Feb 19, 2019
    "The smaller stone had Excellent cut, while the larger one was considered Very Good."

    This seems consistent to what we have noticed. I just wish Lightbox ran a home-run with the cut, but it seems like they're deliberately sabotaging the cut to stay just off ideal to not outshine/compete with mined diamond market.

    I've been on their email notification list from the launch announcement for the 1ct round stones, but I have yet to receive a single email for availability. The larger stones are perpetually "sold out."
     
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    by Marriedbuteloped » Feb 19, 2019
    I totally agree. The Lightbox price is reasonable. I would not be willing to pay more for a lab grown or even natural diamond. I had ordered the 1ct. princess cut necklace and had it reset in a ring. The jeweler that reset it said that it was a very nice MM diamond. We don't know the development in the future market and it could be that my ring will not be worth anything. But that is fine with me. At least I did not start out with $3000-4000 like other MMDs. The article confirmed my decision. Here some quick cell phone photos. Angela
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    by cocotate » Feb 20, 2019
    How did you get yours? I agree it seems always sold out?
     
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    by Marriedbuteloped » Feb 20, 2019
    I ordered mine at the beginning of December. I got an email and then immediately was able to order it. And it arrived faster than scheduled.
     
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    by frogplus » Feb 21, 2019
    I had my engagement ring made with the half carat white round solitaire pendant. I ordered it on launch day planning to get the halo pendant which had a bigger center stone but it was "sold out" 20 min after launch when I got on.

    I've been engaged now almost 2 months and although my ring looks beautiful close up, I think I'm wishing it were bigger. In pictures from farther away, it sometimes doesn't even look like there's a diamond, just a band. I find myself comparing it to other women with big blingy stones.

    I might go to a jewelry store and try on some blingy 5 stone wedding bands before I really decide, but right now if Lightbox made a 1 carat white round stone available, I think I would buy it. Not sure what I would do with the half carat stone, maybe get another one and turn them into earrings. I thought I would feel really sentimental about the stone used in the proposal, but I don't. Probably because I picked it, not him!

    I love my Lightbox diamond but it's really frustrating how withholding they've been with larger stones.
     
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    by Golden_bird » Feb 21, 2019
    I have been following your journey !! Please , don’t be hard on yourself.!! All of us have the same felling about being bigger if not doing earrings, you can also do a three stone ! It’s just a jewelry ! The more important part is to keep the same husband
     
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    by Marriedbuteloped » Feb 22, 2019
    :)
    I so agree. When I moved to the US from Europe I did not understand the obsession with diamond rings or even the practicality. All I could think of was how impractical these things are in the kitchen. But after living here for years I somehow felt I needed one too. The herd thinking and marketing got me as well. Now I have one and I don't wear it all the time. It means nothing. It was more the quest that kept me going. :) With that being said I do think that the 1ct. size is maybe the best one from lightbox to turn in a ring.
    And about size, I know a woman from South Africa, she has a huge 3 ct. engagement ring and it looks like window or bottle glass....
     
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    by OoohShiny » Feb 22, 2019
    LOL

    The classic PS-affliction of DSS didn't take long... ;)) :lol:


    Perhaps you should ask your other half to design something up using only some suggested styles from you, so it can be a gift entirely from his heart to yours, and therefore more sentimental :)
     
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    by frogplus » Feb 22, 2019
    Lol yep, I knew it would happen. I really need to go to the jewelry store first and try on bands. It might be the perfect size to pair with a chunky 5 stone ring. I plan to wear them as a set every day after we get married so as long as it looks blingy enough together, I can deal with my solo dainty ring until wedding day.
     
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    by blueMA » Feb 22, 2019
    +1 on a three stone ring.
    Wait for a 1 carat stone, get another .50, and make it into a three stone sparkler ring.
     
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    by frogplus » Feb 22, 2019
    I wouldn't want a 3 stone as my engagement ring though. I plan to wear it with a 5 or 7 stone wedding ring and I really like the look of a simple solitaire with a blingy wedding ring. I think a 3 stone with a 5 or 7 stone would be too much?
     
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    by blueMA » Feb 22, 2019
    It all depends your personal taste, but @Golden_bird owns a beautiful 3 stone e-ring she upgraded recently and my own e-ring is a three stone ring.
    https://www.pricescope.com/communit...ne-has-obstruction.245420/page-5#post-4482880

    I do understand your reluctance though. I also love the elegance and sophistication of a solitaire.
     
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    by Golden_bird » Feb 22, 2019
    Solitaire or halo or three stone is all personal choices !! When we got engaged ,young Hahahah with not that money ,my ring also was a three stone !center diamond was 0.30 with 0.10 sides . I loved it ! Then later in life I decided to try the solitaire look ,purchased bigger diamond around 1 carat . I didn’t like the look at all .i didn’t matter how many additional bands I added ,it always looked lonely to me . Then I tried halo ! I kind of liked the look ,but you need extra time to maintain it plus I gave birth to my first daughter,putting lotion on her ,changing diapers ,wasn’t that welcoming for that ring style . And then I decided to go back to the three stone ! Easy to clean ,great presence on fingers and the diamond is not lonely =)2
     
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    Was feeling sad about talking bad about my ring. Snapped this on my walk home today. It's really not that small! I think it's smaller in my mind than it really is. Next week I'll go try on some blingy rings and see if I feel better. I'll post pictures, not here, I'll make a separate post, already side tracked this thread enough sorry!
    Happy Friday!
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    I think it looks great :))
     
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    There are so many eternity and diamond wedding bands out there...I agree that that would look nice. And you can build up and stack more bands. That is what I did. Oh and I switch hands all the time. :)
    We'll meet you at your new thread!
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    I was comparing my Lightbox to some cz rings I have last night and noticed a definite color difference. The top 2 are cz and the bottom is Lightbox. Is that what a G color looks like next to cz? I guess all cz are different but I kind of figured that a G color diamond would look almost perfectly white, and I was surprised to see that even my untrained eye could see a difference between the cheap cz and Lightbox. The cz rings are from Amazon and were each less than $10 so definitely not high quality cz.

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    Side note for anyone finding this picture, the bottom is .5 carat and I believe the middle is about equivalent of .75 and top is about equivalent of 1 carat. My ring size is 4.
     
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    by Garry H (Cut Nut) » Feb 28, 2019
    Yes, it looks like a G as best we can tell.
    Take a photo from side about 30 degrees up from the horizontal - that is the best way to compare colour in a set stone
     
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    :geek2: That’s my design!!!! I saw it on DKs IG and was hoping it went to a PSer! I don’t frequent RT or SMTB so thanks for posting this or I probably would’ve never seen it! I finalized the design but haven’t had the funds to pull the trigger. So happy someone else loves it like I do :kiss2:

    I’ve got a whole thread on FFJ of my crazy journey.

    https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/help-with-three-stone-dk-cads-please.243847/
     
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