GIA and princess cuts

[hoofbeats95]

What does GIA not grade with a princess? I thought they didn''t grade the cut? Or is it that they don''t have an ideal cut? I just dropped my ring off at a jeweler to get the prongs fixed. I asked him what he thought of my WF ACA diamond. "It''s ok. A little off color" he says! WHAT?!?! It''s an F!!!!! Well he says GIA is the only one that is right on with color. He says AGS is not. Then we talk about the cut. And I thought AGS was the only one to grade princess. But maybe I said that wrong. So in anycase, someone clarify this and show me a link to back it up so when I go pick up my ring tomorrow I know what''s going on!

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 12/18/2008 3:49:45 PM
Author:hoofbeats95
What does GIA not grade with a princess? I thought they didn't grade the cut? Or is it that they don't have an ideal cut? I just dropped my ring off at a jeweler to get the prongs fixed. I asked him what he thought of my WF ACA diamond. 'It's ok. A little off color' he says! WHAT?!?! It's an F!!!!! Well he says GIA is the only one that is right on with color. He says AGS is not. Then we talk about the cut. And I thought AGS was the only one to grade princess. But maybe I said that wrong. So in anycase, someone clarify this and show me a link to back it up so when I go pick up my ring tomorrow I know what's going on!

As yet GIA do not grade fancy shapes such as Princess for cut quality, only round diamonds. AGS are considered reliable for colour and clarity grading as are GIA, so I wouldn't worry. This is not unheard of here unfortunately for some to cast doubt on purchases especially if they were made online....No way is it off colour!!


Also GIA's highest cut grade is Excellent, they do not use ideal. Also the term ideal cut is only considered to have some substance when referring to AGS Ideal for cut grade.

And here is a link for you - http://diamonds.pricescope.com/grading.asp

 

[hoofbeats95]

Does it say somewhere on the GIA site though that they do not grade cut for fancy shapes? This jeweler seemed really surprised when I said that and he didn''t seem to believe me. He said he will look to find out as well tonight and we''ll talk tomorrow when I go pick up my ring. I want to come armed with info. But info from GIA preferably.

I''m sure he said that just to cast doubt in my mind. I thought AGS was more reliable than GIA. But he claimed GIA is never off in color. Seriously why are all the jewlers telling me my F is not an F. This is the second one. Well ok the first was a sales lady this was a real jeweler. He didn''t even seem to think the cut was that great. Asked what I paid. I told him and he said "that''s not too bad". Are you freaking kidding me!?!?!

 

[hoofbeats95]

www.gia.edu/gemtradelab/31501/new_gia_cut_grade.cfm

That link states that they recently introduced a grading system for cuts of round diamonds. How recently did they do that and what did they do before that? Not grade cut at all? I''m so confused!

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 12/18/2008 4:05:48 PM
Author: hoofbeats95
www.gia.edu/gemtradelab/31501/new_gia_cut_grade.cfm

That link states that they recently introduced a grading system for cuts of round diamonds. How recently did they do that and what did they do before that? Not grade cut at all? I'm so confused!

January 2006 was the release.

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/2006-gia-grading-report-post-info-here-please.38131/

And you are right, they didn't grade diamonds for cut prior to that.

Here is a thread you can use which clearly states from expert John Pollard and some others that GIA do not grade fancy shapes such as Princess for cut.

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/do-princess-cuts-get-a-cut-grade-from-gia.71981/

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 12/18/2008 3:59:36 PM
Author: hoofbeats95
Does it say somewhere on the GIA site though that they do not grade cut for fancy shapes? This jeweler seemed really surprised when I said that and he didn't seem to believe me. He said he will look to find out as well tonight and we'll talk tomorrow when I go pick up my ring. I want to come armed with info. But info from GIA preferably.

I'm sure he said that just to cast doubt in my mind. I thought AGS was more reliable than GIA. But he claimed GIA is never off in color. Seriously why are all the jewlers telling me my F is not an F. This is the second one. Well ok the first was a sales lady this was a real jeweler. He didn't even seem to think the cut was that great. Asked what I paid. I told him and he said 'that's not too bad'. Are you freaking kidding me!?!?!

I hate to say it, but there are some who will try to cast doubt on the purchase of a diamond they didn't sell and if you show concern over some aspect of your purchase, then they will zero in on that to try to get you to doubt your diamond even more, so much so that you might return it and buy one from them. I wouldn't take it seriously - honestly. It is possible your jeweller has never heard of AGS if he isn't well up on cut grading and other developments, as GIA is the better known lab within those circles probably.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 12/18/2008 3:59:36 PM
Author: hoofbeats95
Does it say somewhere on the GIA site though that they do not grade cut for fancy shapes? This jeweler seemed really surprised when I said that and he didn''t seem to believe me. He said he will look to find out as well tonight and we''ll talk tomorrow when I go pick up my ring. I want to come armed with info. But info from GIA preferably.

I''m sure he said that just to cast doubt in my mind. I thought AGS was more reliable than GIA. But he claimed GIA is never off in color. Seriously why are all the jewlers telling me my F is not an F. This is the second one. Well ok the first was a sales lady this was a real jeweler. He didn''t even seem to think the cut was that great. Asked what I paid. I told him and he said ''that''s not too bad''. Are you freaking kidding me!?!?!

Either it''s sour grapes, or somebody doesn''t know a good cut when they see one (or worse yet, both!) lol.

Please, enjoy your stone, and stop asking people you didn''t purchase from what they think of it.

 

[hoofbeats95]

Thanks Lorelei. I''m really the wrong personality type to cast doubt with. I''m a perfectionist. And as such I want to have what I paid for. I paid for an F. I want an F. I paid for an ideal cut. I want an ideal cut. But I LOVE my diamond. I''m just cranky with these jewelers in my area. I''m paying this dude $65 to fix the prongs. He''s been on the bench for 25 years. Surely he can fix the prongs. I shouldn''t give a dang what he thinks of the diamond. I shouldn''t have asked. But I did. There was a diamond in his case that was a G and he wouldn''t hold my diamond next to it but for like .2 seconds. Hmm. . . I wonder why? I just want the freaking diamond to look square on my hand. I hope he can do that. He seems to think he can.

Now - is there anywhere on GIA''s site that states that they don''t grade cut on fancy shapes? I will totally print that out and go into the store with that.

 

[hoofbeats95]

Date: 12/18/2008 4:13:36 PM
Author: Ellen
Please, enjoy your stone, and stop asking people you didn''t purchase from what they think of it.

I would enjoy my stone if the dang think looked like a square! That''s what is causing all of this.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 12/18/2008 4:16:29 PM
Author: hoofbeats95
Thanks Lorelei. I'm really the wrong personality type to cast doubt with. I'm a perfectionist. And as such I want to have what I paid for. I paid for an F. I want an F. I paid for an ideal cut. I want an ideal cut. But I LOVE my diamond. I'm just cranky with these jewelers in my area. I'm paying this dude $65 to fix the prongs. He's been on the bench for 25 years. Surely he can fix the prongs. I shouldn't give a dang what he thinks of the diamond. I shouldn't have asked. But I did. There was a diamond in his case that was a G and he wouldn't hold my diamond next to it but for like .2 seconds. Hmm. . . I wonder why? I just want the freaking diamond to look square on my hand. I hope he can do that. He seems to think he can.

Now - is there anywhere on GIA's site that states that they don't grade cut on fancy shapes? I will totally print that out and go into the store with that.

Probably because yours looks whiter and is far better cut. I wouldn't engage in further conversation with him concerning your diamond, it really sounds as if he is playing on your doubt with this diamond in the hope of you returning it and being able to sell one of his. You KNOW it is an F, top graded and sold by a vendor with a fantastic reputation. There is no way he is ever going to say what a fantastic and white diamond you have, he has an agenda and what he thinks is the chance to make a sale. Don't worry about what he ' thinks', get him to do his job in squaring up your lovely diamond and don't give him the chance to offer any more of his opinions!

 

[Mediterranean]

Date: 12/18/2008 4:16:29 PM
Author: hoofbeats95


Now - is there anywhere on GIA''s site that states that they don''t grade cut on fancy shapes? I will totally print that out and go into the store with that.

Yep. on gia.edu there is a section labeled "GIA REPORTS" which clearly states that, as of January 1, 2006, the reports FOR STANDARD ROUND BRILLIANT DIAMONDS in the GIA''s D-Z, Fl-I3 spectrum come with cut grading.

The GIA does not grade cut for fancies.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 12/18/2008 4:27:57 PM
Author: Mediterranean

Date: 12/18/2008 4:16:29 PM
Author: hoofbeats95


Now - is there anywhere on GIA's site that states that they don't grade cut on fancy shapes? I will totally print that out and go into the store with that.

Yep. on gia.edu there is a section labeled 'GIA REPORTS' which clearly states that, as of January 1, 2006, the reports FOR STANDARD ROUND BRILLIANT DIAMONDS in the GIA's D-Z, Fl-I3 spectrum come with cut grading.

The GIA does not grade cut for fancies.

Well done Med, I was trying to find something that said that - as we know they do not grade fancy shapes for cut, but I can't find anything that says it on the site.

 

[Mediterranean]

also on the GIA's diamond cut grading system website.... the page entitled "Estimating a Cut Grade" cleary states that the parameters apply ONLY to standard cut round brilliants.

If you wanna be a brat (after your ring is home safe and pretty) you could print that page out to show the dude

this clear delineation is at diamondcut.gia.edu

 

[hoofbeats95]

Lorelei that is my total intention. I just freaking hope that he can do it on the first try! I don''t want to buy another head. Yikes. I was hoping for the GIA site to specifically say they don''t grade other cuts. But that''s ok. I just hate it when I state something and then feel like I''m wrong. I wanted the proof to back it up. And while I love you guys - a BB doesn''t count as proof in my world. I mean if someone was proving something to me and just showed me a thread on a BB I would say they are nuts. But that''s is again my personality type. Nice huh? I don''t need to talk to him about grading. I just want a squared ring. And hopefully I trust this guy enough to return MY diamond! Geesh. I promise I will have WF do everytihng next time! No more messing around. When I upgrade they are doing the WHOLE thing. This is the biggest headache ever and is totally taking the joy out of being engaged and flashing my ring around.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 12/18/2008 4:40:11 PM
Author: hoofbeats95
Lorelei that is my total intention. I just freaking hope that he can do it on the first try! I don''t want to buy another head. Yikes. I was hoping for the GIA site to specifically say they don''t grade other cuts. But that''s ok. I just hate it when I state something and then feel like I''m wrong. I wanted the proof to back it up. And while I love you guys - a BB doesn''t count as proof in my world. I mean if someone was proving something to me and just showed me a thread on a BB I would say they are nuts. But that''s is again my personality type. Nice huh? I don''t need to talk to him about grading. I just want a squared ring. And hopefully I trust this guy enough to return MY diamond! Geesh. I promise I will have WF do everytihng next time! No more messing around. When I upgrade they are doing the WHOLE thing. This is the biggest headache ever and is totally taking the joy out of being engaged and flashing my ring around.

I am really sorry....

 

[hoofbeats95]

Date: 12/18/2008 4:43:26 PM
Author: Lorelei

I am really sorry....

Thanks! Me too. I''m hoping that after tomorrow I''m posting pics of this ring. I haven''t because I haven''t been totally happy with it. I just hope that it''s better tomorrow. Even if it''s not perfect. I just hope it''s not worse. I can''t handle that!

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 12/18/2008 4:49:34 PM
Author: hoofbeats95

Date: 12/18/2008 4:43:26 PM
Author: Lorelei

I am really sorry....

Thanks! Me too. I''m hoping that after tomorrow I''m posting pics of this ring. I haven''t because I haven''t been totally happy with it. I just hope that it''s better tomorrow. Even if it''s not perfect. I just hope it''s not worse. I can''t handle that!

Think positive! Your jeweller knows what you want and I am sure in that respect he will be able to get it right for you!

 

[hoofbeats95]

So just so I understand if you buy a princess with GIA cert what does it say for cut? Is that just left out, blank or what?

 

[John P]

Hoofbeats your jeweler may be under the impression that the polish and symmetry grades constitute an evaluation of cut. They do not, but this has not stopped some jewelers from purporting it for many years.

If he is even remotely current on GIA coursework or an alumni mailing list he will have received dozens of notices about the advent of the round grading system in 2006. Unfortunately GIA does not require continuing education (if he has a diploma?) so his information could be many years old.

"Proving" this is simple.
Have him produce current GIA Reports for round and princess (they call it a square modified brilliant).
Under COLOR GRADE and CLARITY GRADE you will see the words CUT GRADE on the round report.
Those words don't exist on the princess report.