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I have narrowed it down to two stones. You can see the first stone Here. This weekend I will see the one from Whiteflash this weekend as it arrived at Rock Dock today. Here are his initial comments. I will also try to post the pics he sent me. Now I really need your guys help. The larger stone is about $7500.00 more so that does weigh into the decision a little.

Visual Appearance... This of course is just a cursory opinion of the second stone, noting the obvious characteristics of it.

Internal Strain

Both stones have the presence of strain. Neither I see has a durability problem. The smaller stone''s strain is not near the edge of the stone, and is primarilly blue with some orange color strain in it.

Face Up Body Color

Color wise, the larger stone appear a tad ( very little ) less colorless than the smaller stone.


White light return

The larger stone has more white light return.

The smaller stone has a little less white light return

Color light return

The larger stone has a little less color light return than the smaller one.

The smaller stone has more and broader spectral colors eminating from it.


Hearts and Arrows Image

The smaller stone has a fine H&A image in it.


Note the photos are not enhanced.


Bill
 
pics here?????
 
Here is one

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Another

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Another

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Another

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Last one

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Bill,

I hope you''ll have found it to have been of value to go back to the drawing board. I have 2 questions and a comment:

1) What''s the genesis of the first stone...where did it come from, who did you get it from, how did you get it...is there any story there you can recap?

2) Did you give any consideration to this one, or did you figure it would only have been a bird in the bush against a bird in the hand, which you already have?

and...


Date: 6/8/2005 9:45:39 PM
Author:countingdown
I have narrowed it down to two stones....

Face Up Body Color

Color wise, the larger stone appear a tad ( very little ) less colorless than the smaller stone.
This is at least rather interesting...because the original larger stone, by it''s certed color, is "supposed" to be more colorless, not less.

I''ll let others & Rockdoc say more...I don''t have any take away from the different colored light analysis; the h&a is presumably encouraging, from what we read here

Best of luck in your pursuit of these; let us know how it evolves.
 
Ira, both stones are coming from whiteflash. My name is actually Duane. Bill is Roc Dock. I do not want to confuse things anymore at this point. I am going to go with one of thes two stones.
 
Date: 6/8/2005 10:49:07 PM
Author: countingdown
Ira, both stones are coming from whiteflash. My name is actually Duane. Bill is Roc Dock. I do not want to confuse things anymore at this point. I am going to go with one of thes two stones.
Duane
did you talk to Brian about these stones? if yes, what is his opinion? i think i know the answer.
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Kaliegh and Mara where are you ?
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I''m interested to hear from Kaleigh and Mara too, but this total NON-expert thinks the $7500 price difference speaks volumes! $7500?

Congrats!
 
this non-expert agrees with lurchie
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i''d go with the smaller stone.
......unless there were something glaring in the specs. could you post the sarins?
 
Can you tell me what Brian had to say???
 
Like the small one... it looks brighter in those picture. Both are very nice though - this is more about "personality" than anything. I can't tell which is a "better deal", this is something RocDoc could tell you allot better.



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Just to recap. for whoever does not have the patience to open the old threds...


The "small" one is:
Report: AGS
Shape: A Cut Above H&A
Carat: 3.052
Color: J
Clarity: SI1
Depth: 60.1
Table: 55
Crown Angle: 34.7
Pavilion Angle: 40.7
Girdle: Thin to Medium Faceted
Polish: Ideal
Symmetry: Ideal
Culet: Pointed
Fluorescence: Medium Blue
Measurements: 9.38-9.43X5.74


and the "big"
Diameter 9.96 mm (9.94 - 9.98) MM
Weight 3.717
table 56.4
Depth 62.2
Crown Angle 34.8
Pavilion angle 41.7
Girdle Min 1.0% - 2.3% (thin-slighty thick by Sarin standards)
No lab report, identified by appraisr
Color: H-I
Clarity: SI
Strong Fluorescence




 
I too like the smaller one, it just has such fire. They are both great, so it comes down to your personal preference. Good luck and let us know which one you choose!!!!
 
Another vote for the smaller one....just seems to have more *zip*.
 
Small one. Plenty big, lots of sparkle, and I dig the medium flr!! (and saving $7500...can''t beat that either.)
 
Thanks, I am swaying towards the smaller one. Here is another idea that was previously discussed. The larger one could be recut to an AGS 0 super ideal and the carat weight would be 3.41. This stone would be far more valuable than the smaller one. I cannot see much from the pictures except that larger one towers over the small one.
 
Date: 6/9/2005 4:58:49 PM
Author: countingdown
Thanks, I am swaying towards the smaller one. Here is another idea that was previously discussed. The larger one could be recut to an AGS 0 super ideal and the carat weight would be 3.41. This stone would be far more valuable than the smaller one. I cannot see much from the pictures except that larger one towers over the small one.
It does right now.....because there''s almost .75 diff in the stones. The larger stone is nearly 20% bigger by weight.

If have it recut, it will only be about 9% bigger by weight.

Honestly.....how big does it have to be? Seriously......at 3.05 cts, the smaller one will be bigger than most of us will wear in a lifetime. At what point is it "enough"?

Your call, of course, but I think the smaller stone is beautiful and cream of the crop, and I cannot imagine a 3-ct honker not being enough for someone.
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Good luck, whichever you choose.
 
I didn''t realize those photos were actual size!
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Get down with your bad self - and show us hand shots when it''s done!
 
Going Sat to see Rock doc I will keep you guys posted. Thanks for all your help.
 
Great let us know what you decide!!!
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How funny, I didn't realize I missed all these threads!! Wonder what I was doing?!?! Sorry I couldn't help out but I would have gone for the bigger stone too.
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I think you made a fab decision.

The thing that struck me here reading back at these old threads when CD was making the decision was that he was considering that same 3.05 J SI that SLK is now considering but thinks may be too yellow...CD if you saw that stone can you chime in with your thoughts re: the color of the stone?

Also RD, as a highly reputed independent appraiser, since you saw both stones, what did you think of the 3.05 J SI....was it a true J in your opinion? Just curious...seemed fitting to ask this when I saw the link to the WF stone!
 
i didn''t realize that was the stone slk is now considering. good questions mara, i hope cd and rd respond.
 
BUMP, RockDoc or CountingDown can you chime in re: the 3c J SI ACA that was NOT chosen? Color is at question here...
 
I noticed that too last night and would love to hear what RocDoc and CD have to say about it.
 
As most of you know, I really liked the J stone. I came very close to buying it changing my mind about 200 times in the final few days. The J stone is a little crisper but my stone faces up like a G or H. On all the color tests it showed up as either G or H but was probably given I because of the strong Flouresence. Its a very nice stone and you cannot go wrong.
 
Date: 7/29/2005 1:04:31 PM
Author: Mara
BUMP, RockDoc or CountingDown can you chime in re: the 3c J SI ACA that was NOT chosen? Color is at question here...

Hi Mara

I have read a little about what is going on.

I can make some very basic remarks, about what I observed when the stone was here, however, I didn''t perform any real test on it.

Counting Down just took my advice to come over and see the two diamonds next to each other with his eyes.

I will say it was a difficult choice between the two as one stone would be better than the other in some characteristics but not in others, and CD had to ponder his decision for a day before he decided. Both stones were of wonderful and attractive appearance.

But that said, what I was engaged by Counting Down to do I did, and more than just cursory comment has to be confidential, unless he says its ok for me to comment. Even though I didn''t charge CD a lot of money for the time involved, he did pay me somethiing, and professional appraiser''s ethical requirements, and respect for my client has to be considered.
I feel totally obligated to honor client confidentiality.

Some where in my computer I believe I even have some photos of both stones side by side... but in all due resepct, I would want CD to say it''s ok first.

Rockdoc
 
Understood RD. Hopefully Counting Down will chime in and say it''s alright at least for you to note what your thoughts were re: AGS''s color grade of a J on the 3c J SI stone. That''s really what''s at debate here!
 
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