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Andrew8527

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Here's the follow-up to my post last week, regarding a couple of stones that I might take a look at. I nixed the second, and had him bring stone #1. This is how I previously described it...

1.09, H, VS2. GIA, ex/ex. 6.68x6.71x4.02 "AGS 0" HCA=.8

Depth %: 60
Table %: 57
Crown angle: 34.2
Pavillion angle: 40.7
Girdle: thin, faceted
Fluorescence: NONE
Key to symbols: cloud
Laser inscribed with "H&A" and GIA #


Here's a crappy copy of the cert and Sarin..

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Looks pretty good on paper--but let's see how it performs under the lights.

Started out by examining it in a H&A viewer--looked very good. I was looking for major flaws--no gross differences in heart or arrow proportion, arrowheads not touching the bottom of the hearts, no splits in the middle of the hearts, etc etc. It passed, as far as I'm concerned.

Next up was the 'scope. There were a couple clouds that appeared to be beneath the star and UG facets, and one that was in a straight line and superficial. Almost looked like somebody took the stone and scraped it. It wasn't dust though--he dipped the stone before viewing. If I have any "concerns" about this stone, this is one of them, albeit minor.

Finally, I had to whip out the Idealscope. "Ever seen one of these," I asked. "Not in person, only on the heard about them..." He was curious to look for himself, but he was in no way put off by it (like I've heard some jewelers might be). I even snapped a few pics!
Bare with me on the quality, I'd not practiced any with my set-up (which consisted of a cough-syrup cup with a hole punched in it + Idealscope + Olympus C4000, set on super macro). I realize the stone may not be sitting perfectly level or the camera lens might not have been directly above the table.....it's the best I could do though. So I snapped several just in case, and here are the clearest...

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I would put it at GOOD to VERY GOOD for light return on the IdealScope reference chart. Agree? Disagree? Comments on symmetry, as far as you can tell from the IS images (which may be a bit off kilter)? Overall, I was pleasantly surprised with this stone. Price = $6095.
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Also am considering a couple 1.0x H VS2 H&A's at GOG (or others at this pricepoint if anyone has suggestions)....decisions decisions.

Sorry it got a bit long, but I wanted to be thorough. Thanks in advance.

Andy
 
based on the images and sort of combining them to compensate for the tilt and lighting Id rate it as a solid exellent to very good.
The arrows look good.
Id say its good to go.
How did it look to you no scopes just your eyes and the diamond? thats the most important thing
 
Good ideal scope & great HCA. Your pricing also looks appropriate!




Even though you found a winner, I'd still get an independent appraisal for insurance and peace of mind.
 
I'd say that is probably closer to excellent from the ideal scope image. I haven't seen a diamond with a solid dark pink inner ring on the star... Except when the lighting is just right and camera angle is perfect (or close to it).

If you look closely at your shots, you can see that one side is usually whiter than the other. I have found this is usually due to a reflection of light from an alternate light source. #1 is your best shot, but it is still not perfect.

I can't see any noticeable inclusions on these shots, and although it is an i-scope shot anything too bad would still be easily noticed.

I'd say that is a beautiful diamond you have there. If it is priced competitively compared to what you have seen... Go with it.
 
I agree that the IS image looks very good. Nice light return. The arrows are very nice...which suggest the excellent symmetry. The numbers look very good as well, the price is nice for that size also.




I would definitely get it appraised if you purchase it and make sure that everything matches up. But so far so good! Let us know what you decide! Also, did it look great to you overall, and in terms of sparkle? Since you saw it in person..what did you think?
 
Great stone - the whitespot on the star in first pic is a ohotographic lighting error.
 
"Also, did it look great to you overall, and in terms of sparkle? Since you saw it in person..what did you think?"

It looked awesome, but in all my excitement I can't believe I didn't compare it to another "regular" stone he had in house! Or even in different lighting. I was too busy examining it microscopically. No big deal though, he's given me some time to wrap up my shopping and let him know yay or nay.....so I'll be sure and compare sparkle when I go back. FWIW, I can say definitively that it blew the 1ct CZ in the setting I've got right outta the water
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Thanks all

Andy
 
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Please do not drive the poor retailer crazy.

Consider he probably has plenty of other things to do rather than amuse you all day. What ever it is that you do for a living - would you expect people to be so demanding for no extra charge.

Most people in retail are very happy to spend as much time as required by a customer - but remeber that this should be seen as a privelege when you find someone who gives good and genuine service.

I wirte this as more for others reading, than out of nastienss to you Andrew
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But regarding getting more opinions - I do know quite a lot and i do think it is a beautiful stone. I have no idea who owns it or is selling it, and do not need to know. I am not a shill
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"Please do not drive the poor retailer crazy."

You lost me...? Wanting to quickly compare the sparkle of this stone to another that he has in house? Bahh, come on, that's hardly "amusing me all day."
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There's no BrillianceScope on this stone like the one I'm considering at GOG, so can ya blame a fellow for just wanting to get a quick frame of reference for sparkle before he drops $6,000? I know I know, everything else seems to be there....all the measurements, H&A, the IS is very good, etc. But humor me here.
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He already knows I'm a thorough customer, and he's aware that there are other options in the running, so I doubt he'd be put out to 'finish the sale.' Thanks again for your reassurance Gary.....pretty sure I've made up my mind on this one thanks to all.

Andy
 


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I would give significant weight to the opinion of the inventor.
 
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On 10/21/2004 9:25:36 AM Andrew8527 wrote:



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I would give significant weight to the opinion of the inventor.
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hahah, I was thinking that too... He probably doesn't know, so I guess this would be a good time to clarify to andrew that Garry H is the inventor of the ideal scope.
 
"He probably doesn't know, so I guess this would be a good time to clarify to andrew that Garry H is the inventor of the ideal scope."

Thanks, but I did know this fact....as I ordered the IS straight from the IS website.
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At any rate, I meant no disrespect in that comment, but apparently it was taken as such. There are other people on this forum who can interpret IS images, no? I merely was asking for others' opinions (read: reassurance).
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Thanks again all.

Andy
 
Dude. It looks great. Buy it!
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On 10/22/2004 2:34:22 PM Andrew8527 wrote:

'He probably doesn't know, so I guess this would be a good time to clarify to andrew that Garry H is the inventor of the ideal scope.'

Thanks, but I did know this fact....as I ordered the IS straight from the IS website.
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At any rate, I meant no disrespect in that comment, but apparently it was taken as such. There are other people on this forum who can interpret IS images, no? I merely was asking for others' opinions (read: reassurance).
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Thanks again all.

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It doesn't bother me at all.... I just assumed you didn't know. After all, a lot of us here aren't diamond experts (some are), just people who had to go through the experience already. Really, I'd guess that Gary's opinion would probably be the most accurate by a large margin, that's the only reason I said anything... It would be important for you to know if you didn't already... Happy diamond hunting!
 
Great IS.
Great HCA.

...And a cadre of quality critics citing support.

Thumbs up, baby!


PS: "Shill???" LOL Garry!
 
Thanks folks

I did not want to seem too harsh on you Andrew about using / abusing helpful retailers (or any diamontaires) time - but there has been a few cases recently - and this seemed like a goood time to raise the issue.

Sorry you felt it so pointed.
I am sure you are a lovely and fiar person
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