Fluorescence: Very Strong Blue

[vf0valkyrie]

Hi everyone,

I saw this lovely diamond.

=334&src=loupe:2o8h065d]http://www.craftedbyinfinity.com/index.php?pid=63&lang=eng&sid[]=334&src=loupe


The picture of the diamond looks clear, nothing bluish.
So I was wondering how would a "very strong blue" fluorescence look like?
How would the blue fluorescence appear?

Also, would it be rare for AGS0 ideal cuts to show blue fluorescence?

My girlfriend kind of likes diamonds that looks white and has bluish tints to it, not sure how that works or if it makes any sense...

Could someone shed some light into this mystery?

vf0

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 1/12/2009 4:02:33 AM
Author:vf0valkyrie
Hi everyone,

I saw this lovely diamond.

=334&src=loupe:2o8h065d]http://www.craftedbyinfinity.com/index.php?pid=63&lang=eng&sid[]=334&src=loupe


The picture of the diamond looks clear, nothing bluish.
So I was wondering how would a 'very strong blue' fluorescence look like?
How would the blue fluorescence appear?

Also, would it be rare for AGS0 ideal cuts to show blue fluorescence?

My girlfriend kind of likes diamonds that looks white and has bluish tints to it, not sure how that works or if it makes any sense...

Could someone shed some light into this mystery?

vf0

That is a gorgeous rock! Also I would imagine Infinity themselves would carefully evaluate each diamond to make sure there were no negative effects from any VSB fluorescence. You do see ASG0 with fluorescence, they are out there. It would be best to check with the vendor and ask if there were any negative effects from the VSB, but I would think the verdict would be no. You might notice a bluish glow in some lights with SVB/ VSB so if your GF would enjoy that effect then this diamond could be a definite contender. Fluorescence in colourless stones can command a small discount also in some circumstances.

 

[vf0valkyrie]

Hi Lorelei,

Thanks for your quick response!

Is there a way that i can search for such stones?
I notice that the search options don''t allow to filter by fluorescence...

A SA did warn me that fluorescence is considered a flaw in diamond rarely turn out lovely.
But I did see such lovely diamonds in the forum here (Please see attached).
Is there anyway to tell these lovely looking ones apart from the "milky and unclear" types?

Regards,
vf0

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 1/12/2009 4:49:01 AM
Author: vf0valkyrie
Hi Lorelei,

Thanks for your quick response!

Is there a way that i can search for such stones?
I notice that the search options don't allow to filter by fluorescence...

A SA did warn me that fluorescence is considered a flaw in diamond rarely turn out lovely.
But I did see such lovely diamonds in the forum here (Please see attached).
Is there anyway to tell these lovely looking ones apart from the 'milky and unclear' types?

Regards,
vf0

You are most welcome!

If you use the search by cut feature at the top, fluorescence ( Flr) is listed to make it easier for you.

As to the SA, the info she gave you isn't quite accurate. Visibly fluorescent diamonds were popular years ago known as blue whites, then they fell into disfavour and although the thinking has changed on this in part with some buyers appreciating and seeking out fluorescent stones, there are those who still believe fluorescence isn't a good thing in diamonds. The facts are that rarely, strong blue or very strong blue can cause a diamond to look cloudy in some lights, but if you purchase from a trusted vendor they will be able to evaluate such diamonds for you - but like I said negative effects are rare - but the only way to tell is to get a trusted vendor or appraiser to evaluate for you.
Also I would definitely ask for further info on the Infinity diamond, that is a gorgeous stone!

The pic of the diamond above I believe you are seeing the blue of the sky reflecting in that pic ( if I recall correctly...), see this link for more info on fluorescence.

http://diamonds.pricescope.com/fluor.asp

 

[WinkHPD]

Date: 1/12/2009 4:49:01 AM
Author: vf0valkyrie
Hi Lorelei,


Thanks for your quick response!


Is there a way that i can search for such stones?

I notice that the search options don''t allow to filter by fluorescence...


A SA did warn me that fluorescence is considered a flaw in diamond rarely turn out lovely.

But I did see such lovely diamonds in the forum here (Please see attached).

Is there anyway to tell these lovely looking ones apart from the ''milky and unclear'' types?


Regards,

vf0

Lorelei has given you very excellent advice. As for the SA, I find it interesting the things SA''s will say to denigrate someone else''s stone, often without actually knowing the facts.

I gave a presentation to a group of SA''s at a store one time and asked what they thought about fluorescence. Many thought poorly of it.

Later that day I took each who did not like it out doors, one at a time, just to show them a fluorescent stone in the sunlight. In spite of not liking them for years, none of them had ever actually seen one out of doors.

I did not change all of their minds, but many of them did admit that the diamond was incredible and said that it changed their blanket dislike. I do know that sales of fluorescent stones at that store did increase thereafter.

It is easier to say they are all bad than to actually look at each stone to determine if it is one of the less than 1% of strongly fluorescent stones that are bad. It is also lazy and disrespectful to do so, but it happens. Actually it is easier to find a new and better SA than to find a bad fluorescent diamond.

Wink

 

[glitterata]

That will be a gorgeous, gorgeous diamond. If the clarity were lower, I would be tempted to snatch it out from under you.

It is possible that on a sunny day you will see a hint of electric, purplish glow--or you may not. It doesn''t always happen. But I would be extremely surprised if that stone is at all milky or cloudy. I don''t think Paul of Infinity would offer a cloudy stone. He has very high standards.

If you buy it from someone with a good return policy--I recommend Wink, who posted above and who carries Infinity diamonds--then you can take a look at it and see whether you like the fluorescence. I guarantee once you see it you won''t want to send it back.

 

[Judah Gutwein]

Gorgeous diamond, buy it and don''t look back.

 

[Miss Fortune]

pretty stone! will this be a solitaire?

be careful if adding side stones - they won''t have fluro and it might look a little "off." congrats!!

 

[Ellen]

Date: 1/12/2009 5:03:32 AM
Author: Lorelei


You are most welcome!

If you use the search by cut feature at the top, fluorescence ( Flr) is listed to make it easier for you.

As to the SA, the info she gave you isn't quite accurate. Visibly fluorescent diamonds were popular years ago known as blue whites, then they fell into disfavour and although the thinking has changed on this in part with some buyers appreciating and seeking out fluorescent stones, there are those who still believe fluorescence isn't a good thing in diamonds. The facts are that rarely, strong blue or very strong blue can cause a diamond to look cloudy in some lights, but if you purchase from a trusted vendor they will be able to evaluate such diamonds for you - but like I said negative effects are rare - but the only way to tell is to get a trusted vendor or appraiser to evaluate for you.
Also I would definitely ask for further info on the Infinity diamond, that is a gorgeous stone!

The pic of the diamond above I believe you are seeing the blue of the sky reflecting in that pic ( if I recall correctly...), see this link for more info on fluorescence.

http://diamonds.pricescope.com/fluor.asp

I think you are.

 

[vf0valkyrie]

Hi Everyone,

Thanks for your comments.
Yup, Lorelei is correct about where I got that picture from

Thanks for reminding me where to find that thread.

I intend to do a solitaire setting with it, have not decided how the ring will look like though...
First i need to check if the diamond is allowed to be shipped out of Finland...

I actually showed some of the photos from
https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/help-calling-all-who-have-seen-a-strong-blue-fluor-diamond.55714/page-3
to the SA.
However, the SA claimed that the only picture that i have attached shows good blue fluorescence, the rest are not fluorescence.
The SA also commented that i would need a Very Strong Blue or Extremely Strong Blue for such an effect.

To be fair, the SA has over 10 years of expereince selling diamonds and knows about Pricescope, ASET, HCA etc ie the SA knows what his stuff, and he was very polite throughout the entire session.

To be honest, I would like to see that diamond before actually buying it otherwise if i can''t see the effect for myself, i would be rather worried...

Regards,
vf0

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Are you working with an Infinity dealer in the US to see if they can access the stone? Wink Jones of Winfield''s is an Infinity dealer and I am sure can help you find out more about this stone if you don''t already have a dealer.

 

[glitterata]

I bought an Infinity from Wink, who brought it in for me from some far-flung land. I''m pretty sure any Infinity can be sent to any dealer, as long as it''s not already reserved or sold. If you buy it and don''t like it, you can return it. You''ll only be out the cost of shipping, I believe.

I think the blue in the picture of that pear ring is also just a reflection of the sky. It''s very hard to capture the glow of fluorescence with a camera--partly because it shows up best on sunny days, when the diamond is likely to be reflecting the sky. But it''s more of a purply blue, less of a sky-blue color.

 

[vf0valkyrie]

No I do not habe any dealer actually. I have no idea how to go about the whole purchase. I don''t even know how much that diamond costs!

i guess i will need to talk to Wink seperately then...
And from what i understand, there are no PMs right?

 

[WinkHPD]

Date: 1/12/2009 10:47:59 PM
Author: vf0valkyrie
No I do not habe any dealer actually. I have no idea how to go about the whole purchase. I don''t even know how much that diamond costs!

i guess i will need to talk to Wink seperately then...

And from what i understand, there are no PMs right?

There are no PM''s but you can contact any of the vendors here by their sig files. You will find that all of the vendors here work with strong guarantees and great inspection periods so that you are in no risk to look at any of their diamonds or gems.

You may also have it sent to a local Pricescope appraiser if you are lucky enough to have one in your area, which you can see by going to the resources tab at the top of the screen.

Wink

 

[vf0valkyrie]

Hi Wink,

I''ve already sent you an email via the Infinity webpage.
Maybe you could revert to me when you get it?

Thank you!

And thank you everyone for your generous help!

 

[WinkHPD]

I will be glad to.

Wink

 

[LD]

Here''s my I colour with strong blue fluor (GIA cert). Looks beautifully white in all lighting conditions and has a touch of blue in strong sunlight. Please excuse lack of moisturiser to the hands!

 

[Judah Gutwein]

LD,

That is an absolutely drool-worthy photo (loose diamond, lighting, fingers and all...

)!!!
This photo would be a popular hit on Getty Images.
Maybe you can sell it

 

[glitterata]

LovinDiamonds, that''s the first photo I''ve seen that shows the glow of fluorescence rather than just reflected sky. Thanks for posting it!

 

[swingirl]

You seem to have an expectation of what a very strong blue fluorescence stone is supposed to look like. From my understanding the only time you would see a difference is in the direct sun light and under a "black light". I have an Infinity stone with Very Strong Blue Fluorescence and it is not noticeable in most circumstances -- never indoors. I have not seen it under a black light. In the direct sun it shows a bluish purple tint.

 

[LD]

Thank you Judah and Glitterata for those lovely compliments! I thought you might like to see the same stone under UV light!

 

[WinkHPD]

Date: 1/15/2009 6:13:33 PM
Author: LovingDiamonds
Thank you Judah and Glitterata for those lovely compliments! I thought you might like to see the same stone under UV light!

Wow! Now THAT''s some strong reflected sky...

 

[glitterata]

What a pretty pear that is! Can you direct me to photos of it in its setting (if you''ve had it set)?

Apologies for the hijack...

 

[CharmyPoo]

Wow! That is cool!

 

[vf0valkyrie]

It''s not easy finding a diamond with the blue flourescence that i want.
And in where i come from, blue flourescence is not that popular hence it''s even rarer to find one with blue flourescence that has ideal cuts and everything else.

Thank you Wink, for your time and patience in providng me the info that i needed.

Keep sharing the pictures, i think they''re very lovely. Keeps reminding me of the matrix from transformers

 

[Ellen]

Loving, your pear is gorgeous!


Here''s Vivian''s M color with SB. Love these shots.

 

[LD]

vf0valkyrie I do hope that Wink manages to find what you''re looking for. I''ve got to say that I''m a complete convert with fluor now. It''s unbelieveable how white my I colour looks in normal lighting. Don''t be scared if he finds you one with a low colour. The only time it looks slightly warmer and less white is in fairly bright incandescent lighting but even then you really have to study it to tell and it NEVER looks yellow. I was completely blown away by the colour in sunlight though and I wasn''t expecting it to be so pretty.

Glitterata my pear is in the process of being set. It''s been with my jeweller since September and we''re almost there! We went backwards and forwards with CADs for ages, then pencil drawings, had it made and fussy me needed changes (again!). Hopefully it''ll be here in the next few weeks. It''s going to have a halo but stand slightly proud from it, supported underneath by a few "legs" also with diamonds, set on a simple diamond set shank. As the pear is long and skinny (and I''ve got sausage fingers) I''ve asked for the halo to be slightly wider so the overall look of the ring fits my finger better! I''ll post up pics when it arrives but thanks for your interest.