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The more I learn about the rock, the more I confused......
We looked at the 2.18ct H, VS2 at local estate jeweler, that ring is in the 1920s. He said it is old European cut. I am telling you, that is a beautiful stone, when I look at it, there are tons of lights just like hundred of stars in there....There is no report for it, so nobody know about its specs. He refused to send the rock to GIA lab....so I ended up walk out the door.

Last night, I did some reading and high crown angle mean Firey cut FIC.
So, which one is the most common cut?
I am not sure which one better? I asked wife and she has no idea.....
I though I ready to buy with some rock that ex cut, table 55-57%, depth 61-62 are good enough, but this FIC, BIC, TIC thing open new windows for me to explore.

The problem is I cannot find any rocks that are FIC, BIC OR TIC at local stores for me to compare side by side.
So, if anyone have seen them side by side and also have good knowledge about it. Please let me know which is best.
I know it is more of PERSONAL reference....so can you tell me the reasons why you get what you get?
thanks.
 
It is personal preference, what we call near Tolkowsky are a popular choice here as they offer a good visual balance. I am open to all three types but the TIC is my first choice.

See more here - http://www.diamond-cut.com.au/23_bicfic.htm
 
I think TIC is most common. BIC next and FIC seems to be the least likely.
 
I am searching around and all I find are TIC and BIC. I don''t see any FIC yet. If anyone find a FIC one, please let me take a look at it. thanks.

I found some good TIC, but the girdle is THIN. Is it okay? I heard that it may chip easily.
I can''t find any TIC with HAC score of 2.0 yet. the closet I got is 1.5 and 2.6.
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If anyone happens to see one with close enough to 2.0 score...please let me know too :)
thanks.
 
Huh? what exactly are you looking for?
 
Date: 5/1/2009 11:31:26 AM
Author: Legend
I am searching around and all I find are TIC and BIC. I don't see any FIC yet. If anyone find a FIC one, please let me take a look at it. thanks.

I found some good TIC, but the girdle is THIN. Is it okay? I heard that it may chip easily.
I can't find any TIC with HAC score of 2.0 yet. the closet I got is 1.5 and 2.6.
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If anyone happens to see one with close enough to 2.0 score...please let me know too :)
thanks.
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Thin girdle should be fine, occasionally very thin might be an issue but it is best to get a trusted pro to evaluate in these cases. Would you like some suggestions of diamonds which might suit you? If so then give us an idea of budget and colour, carat and clarity preferences and we can take a look for you.
 
If you can suggest some rocks that would be great.
Budget $20k max (loose)
Colour: H is the lowest
Clarity: VS
I like it more in the TIC range ( I like firey, but FIC is difficult to find)
Thanks Lorelei.
 
Date: 5/1/2009 1:10:07 PM
Author: Legend
If you can suggest some rocks that would be great.
Budget $20k max (loose)
Colour: H is the lowest
Clarity: VS
I like it more in the TIC range ( I like firey, but FIC is difficult to find)
Thanks Lorelei.
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Most welcome! What is your carat range preference and is the 20k for the diamond only or does it need to include the setting?
 
wanted 2ct....Can I squeezzeeee 2ct out of it? :)
It is for stone only.
 
Date: 5/1/2009 1:17:28 PM
Author: Stone-cold11
This is the only one I can find in the cut quality search that meets your budget and specs.
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/3441/

EDT:
This stone from JA, under your budget with wire-transfer. This is almost FIC, with the CA going to 35.6 and PA dropping to 40.6, it will be a FIC. Will like to see an IS of it which JA will provide upon request.
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1202474.asp
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I think it has a 40.8 PA on the report so an Idealscope image would be essential, if it checks out though it could be a contender.
 
Date: 5/1/2009 1:44:03 PM
Author: Legend
Date: 5/1/2009 1:17:28 PM

Author: Stone-cold11


EDT:


This stone from JA, under your budget with wire-transfer. This is almost FIC, with the CA going to 35.6 and PA dropping to 40.6, it will be a FIC. Will like to see an IS of it which JA will provide upon request.


http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1202474.asp
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That is a pretty good stone there Stone-cold11. HCA score is 2.5.
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Ya, just check out the IS image, but looks to me like a good candidate.

Date: 5/1/2009 1:41:41 PM
Author: Lorelei
I think it has a 40.8 PA on the report so an Idealscope image would be essential, if it checks out though it could be a contender.
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I know, I am just saying that this is the closest to the FIC that I can find. Not saying that is the angle in the report or that it is a FIC.
 
Date: 5/1/2009 1:47:23 PM
Author: Stone-cold11

Date: 5/1/2009 1:44:03 PM
Author: Legend

Date: 5/1/2009 1:17:28 PM

Author: Stone-cold11


EDT:


This stone from JA, under your budget with wire-transfer. This is almost FIC, with the CA going to 35.6 and PA dropping to 40.6, it will be a FIC. Will like to see an IS of it which JA will provide upon request.


http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1202474.asp
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That is a pretty good stone there Stone-cold11. HCA score is 2.5.
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Ya, just check out the IS image, but looks to me like a good candidate.


Date: 5/1/2009 1:41:41 PM
Author: Lorelei
I think it has a 40.8 PA on the report so an Idealscope image would be essential, if it checks out though it could be a contender.
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I know, I am just saying that this is the closest to the FIC that I can find. Not saying that is the angle in the report or that it is a FIC.
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I must have misread!
 
How about these without lowering color to I or J?
http://www.bluenile.com/pop_int_cert_view.jsp?pid=LD01361061
http://www.bluenile.com/pop_int_cert_view.jsp?pid=LD01125261
Thanks
 
Date: 5/1/2009 2:04:00 PM
Author: Legend
How about these without lowering color to I or J?
http://www.bluenile.com/pop_int_cert_view.jsp?pid=LD01361061
http://www.bluenile.com/pop_int_cert_view.jsp?pid=LD01125261
Thanks
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I will just fix the links

http://www.bluenile.com/pop_int_cert_view.jsp?pid=LD01361061
http://www.bluenile.com/pop_int_cert_view.jsp?pid=LD01125261

The second diamond has definite potential. An Idealscope or ASET image is always so useful to confirm but BN don't provide them, however they do have a 30 day return policy so you can check it out yourself.
 
The G VS1 would be safer bet.

Also, we always like to see an IS image and BN will not be able to supply that. But if you feel safe enough, it is up to you.
 
BN don''t have the setting that I like....
do you have other sites you recommend?
do you think that bn can get the setting from other store and mount it on for me? SORRY, didn''t talk to bn yet.
thanks.
 
What kind of setting do you like? Give an example?

Or you can just buy the stone loose and have it set with a local jeweler that has the setting?
 
Date: 5/3/2009 1:17:00 AM
Author: Legend
BN don''t have the setting that I like....
do you have other sites you recommend?
do you think that bn can get the setting from other store and mount it on for me? SORRY, didn''t talk to bn yet.
thanks.
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You would need to ask them, or alternatively buy the diamond and setting separately. The only thing is though if you have the diamond set by someone other than the seller, they don''t usually take responsibility if the diamond gets damaged, this is rare but worth bearing in mind.
 
stonecold and lorelei,
The setting looks similar like this one
http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-engagement-ring-setting-platinum_7797?filter_id=1&collection_id=236
http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-engagement-ring-setting-platinum_7797?filter_id=1&collection_id=236
wife currently have one similar like that one, it is only 4mm. the setting above is 4.3, and she and i think it will be small for a 2ct stone.
do you think 4.3mm is good enough? do you have any idea what width maybe good for it? I think 5mm is good for it.
it is just a though cause I don't have any 5mm to compare.

I can pick out the setting at local stores, but don't feel comfortable to have them put on....i afraid it may chip and BN won't cover it or the local stores won't cover it too.

I looked at the show me the ring thread, and don't see any 2ct with nice setting YET... :)

Thanks you 2 for so patient with me.
one more question.
which one do you think better deal? the different between G-VS2 and G-VS1 is roughly 1500 dollars, is it worth the extra spent? thanks.
http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-2-carat-ideal-cut-g-color-vs1-clarity_LD01125261?__fun_frm=i&filter_id=1
http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-2-carat-ideal-cut-g-color-vs2-clarity_LD01143560#grading_report

http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-2-carat-ideal-cut-g-color-vs1-clarity_LD01125261?__fun_frm=i&filter_id=1
http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-2-carat-ideal-cut-g-color-vs2-clarity_LD01143560#grading_report

first time try the links..hope it works
 
Date: 5/3/2009 9:56:24 PM
Author: Legend
stonecold and lorelei,
The setting looks similar like this one
http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-engagement-ring-setting-platinum_7797?filter_id=1&collection_id=236
http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-engagement-ring-setting-platinum_7797?filter_id=1&collection_id=236
wife currently have one similar like that one, it is only 4mm. the setting above is 4.3, and she and i think it will be small for a 2ct stone.
do you think 4.3mm is good enough? do you have any idea what width maybe good for it? I think 5mm is good for it.
it is just a though cause I don't have any 5mm to compare.

I can pick out the setting at local stores, but don't feel comfortable to have them put on....i afraid it may chip and BN won't cover it or the local stores won't cover it too.

I looked at the show me the ring thread, and don't see any 2ct with nice setting YET... :)

Thanks you 2 for so patient with me.
one more question.
which one do you think better deal? the different between G-VS2 and G-VS1 is roughly 1500 dollars, is it worth the extra spent? thanks.
http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-2-carat-ideal-cut-g-color-vs1-clarity_LD01125261?__fun_frm=i&filter_id=1
http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-2-carat-ideal-cut-g-color-vs2-clarity_LD01143560#grading_report

http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-2-carat-ideal-cut-g-color-vs1-clarity_LD01125261?__fun_frm=i&filter_id=1
http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-2-carat-ideal-cut-g-color-vs2-clarity_LD01143560#grading_report

first time try the links..hope it works
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I will just try and get these links to work...

http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-engagement-ring-setting-platinum_7797?filter_id=1&collection_id=236

http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-engagement-ring-setting-platinum_7797?filter_id=1&collection_id=236


http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-2-carat-ideal-cut-g-color-vs1-clarity_LD01125261?__fun_frm=i&filter_id=1

http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-2-carat-ideal-cut-g-color-vs2-clarity_LD01143560#grading_report

The setting links just go to the BN homepage, so I can't see the setting. If the band is 4mm wide then that is plenty wide enough to me for a 2ct diamond, I wear one with a 2mm band but it depends on the look you are going for.

Out of the diamonds, the G VS1 is my strong favourite.
 
Lorelei, not sure why you can''t see it, maybe the uk site is blocking it? But here is the pic of the setting.

I prefer the G VS1 too.

DM03502800_zoom20090504.jpg
 
Date: 5/4/2009 6:17:40 AM
Author: Stone-cold11
Lorelei, not sure why you can't see it, maybe the uk site is blocking it? But here is the pic of the setting.

I prefer the G VS1 too.
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Thanks for posting the setting SC! I don't know what is going on there, I am just getting the homepage for BN....

Its a pretty setting and should show off a 2 carater nicely.
 
Date: 5/3/2009 9:56:24 PM
Author: Legend
I can pick out the setting at local stores, but don''t feel comfortable to have them put on....i afraid it may chip and BN won''t cover it or the local stores won''t cover it too.
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That is where the insurance for the setting of the loose stone comes in. Usually required, but may depend on the jeweler, as most don''t want to cover stones not sold by themselves. I think Jewelry Mutual has this coverage, not sure obout other insurance.
 
Go for the G VS1! That should be a nice stone, but the prudent thing to do would be to have an independant appraiser check it out once you get it.
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I picked out the G-VS2 over the G-VS1, the reason is the G-VS2 has table of 54% and higher crown angle, it will give me more fire and smaller table make stone look nicer. Please let me know if that I am thinking is wrong.
Specs for G-VS1:
Depth: 61.5, table 56, crown angle 34.5, pav 40.8 (HCA score 1.3 within TIC range)
Specs for G-VS2:
Depth: 62.6, table 54, crown angle 35, pav 40.8 (HCA score 1.7 within TIC range)
Is 1.7 better than 1.3? or vise versa? I think the number closer to 2 is the better?
 
We went for the G VS1 because it is safer. The 35/40.8 combination might have leakage, because of the averaging and rounding of the angles, and we will need to see an IS image to confirm but BN do not supply that so not way to tell.

Also, do not choose by HCA score, it is only use as an elimination tool.
 
Ditto Stone on why we picked the other. I wouldn't say a smaller table/higher crown makes a stone look "better", just different. That's not a bad thing.

If you really like the VS2, go ahead and get it. Just make sure to have an independant appraiser have a look at it once you get it. If everything checks out, you're good to go. If not, back to the drawing board. Hopefully it will be just fine.
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