Feedback on diamond proportions

[meatyogre]

Round 1.29 ct diamond, proportions below. Plugged it into HCA calculator and got a score of 2, any thoughts?

Thanks

 

[flyingpig]

It has potential. Do you have any photo?

 

[meatyogre]

 

[crbl999]

I would pass on that stone. Light leakage to the right of the 6:00 arrow.

 

[sledge]

Agree with @crbl999, time to cut that fish loose.

What's your budget and desired parameters? We can help you find something better.

 

[meatyogre]

thanks! Am looking for ~1.3 CT round, H, SI1 eye clean, or VS2 no fluorescence. For budget was thinking up to ~7-8k for diamond, but am pretty flexible as long as I can understand the tradeoffs or am paying for something good.

 

[sledge]

thanks! Am looking for ~1.3 CT round, H, SI1 eye clean, or VS2 no fluorescence. For budget was thinking up to ~7-8k for diamond, but am pretty flexible as long as I can understand the tradeoffs or am paying for something good.

Awesome, I will look for some other stones. I see this one was a 1.29ct H VS2 available from Enchanted Diamonds for $8,070 or Ritani for $8,749. FYI, the video on Enchanted made the diamond look very good. It's a shame there was an issue around the 6pm position.

1.28ct H VS2, 55/61.5/34/40.8 - $7,750
https://enchanteddiamonds.com/diamonds/view/R128-398763963



1.27ct H VVS1, 57/61.4/35/40.6 - $8,000
https://enchanteddiamonds.com/diamonds/view/R127-384Z53543

Nice clarity bump to VVS1. Also I like the steeper crown. However, just like the first -- the angles are very complimentary to each other.



1.25ct H VS1, 56/62.0/34.5/40.6 - $8,324
https://www.fourmine.com/shop/diamond/RSSCA026



1.23ct H VS2, 56/62.1/34.5/40.8 - $7,330
https://enchanteddiamonds.com/diamonds/view/R123-256264248
https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=2277095900

This has a small table and my personal favorite 34.5 crown & 40.8 pavilion angle combo. I wish the depth was a little under the 62 mark, but it's acceptable.

My biggest concern with this stone is that clouds are the grade setting inclusion, and the notes state "additional clouds are not shown". This can be a problematic sign; however, looking at the clarity plot it does not appear it should be an issue. Nonetheless, you will need to verify this if you decide to consider this stone.

FYI, I was having issues getting the GIA cert to pull up so I am attaching also.

 

[meatyogre]

Thanks so much. Impressed you were able to find the original diamond, I see it on ED as well. The other Enchanted Diamond options you suggested don't have video / Idealscope, does that site usually provide them upon request?

In terms of the options you provided, seems like the top is best with respect to size and price, any reason not to prefer that over the others?

Thanks again

 

[meatyogre]

Vendor is proposing this, does it look better?

 

[lovedogs]

The proportions look really good. My only (minor) concern is that it looks like there's some leakage under the table, which might be because of the high crown angle and/or the crown angle/pav angle not quite being perfectly complimentary.

 

[meatyogre]

Thanks, how big of a deal is that? Is 8.3k a fair price?

 

[crbl999]

That stone is slightly better than the first. I would go lower in clarity to get a better cut.

 

[sledge]

I don't like this last stone and would reject it. Too many good stones without the leakage issues. Not to mention it almost hurts my eyes to look at the lack of symmetry on that hearts image.

As far as these other vendors I listed providing images, etc you just have to ask them. The problem I found with buying GIA XXX stones from internet retailers is that it's a hit & miss ordeal. Some will and some won't, depending on their individual relationships with their suppliers. If you can get them ahead of ordering the stone, that is ideal. Many times you have to order the stone and have it delivered to the retailer, who will then take the desired images. Other times, you won't get images and will have to take delivery of the stone and do your own evaluations (with your eyes, own scopes, etc). Being familiar with the return policies, etc is key when going this route.

The advantage is price. Normally you can find more stone for less money. If you prefer a less risky operation, you can consider a super ideal stone; however, that will likely force you to increase your budget or adjust one or more of the 4 C's to stay within your budget constraint.

FYI, I just noticed the prices I posted were with RareCarat discounts. When I posted the links I cleaned them up to get rid of the referral tags and when I did, it removed the RC discount. As such I am reposting the full links so you can take advantage of the better pricing, if you decide to go with any of these.

FYI, I am listing ALL the retailers for each stone this time around. Some will have different video, pics, etc available. Most will price match so if you can get the images you want from one retailer, then beat them up on price and make them match the low guy.

1.28ct H VS2, 55/61.5/34/40.8 - $7,750
https://enchanteddiamonds.com/diamonds/view/R128-398763963?utm_source=rarecarat&utm_medium=cpc

https://parcelandstone.com/diamond/...723228715?utm_source=rarecarat&utm_medium=cpc

https://www.yadavjewelry.com/diamon...om&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=rarecarat


1.27ct H VVS1, 57/61.4/35/40.6 - $8,000
https://enchanteddiamonds.com/diamonds/view/R127-384Z53543?utm_source=rarecarat&utm_medium=cpc

https://taylorandhart.com/us/diamon...45-85.2&table_percent=49-82&ratio=0.817-2.219


1.25ct H VS1, 56/62.0/34.5/40.6 - $8,324
https://www.fourmine.com/shop/diamond/RSSCA026?utm_source=rarecarat&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=2017

https://www.adiamor.com/Diamonds/1....1&b=8.910&utm_source=rarecarat&utm_medium=cpc

https://taylorandhart.com/us/diamon...45-85.2&table_percent=49-82&ratio=0.817-2.219


1.23ct H VS2, 56/62.1/34.5/40.8 - $7,330
https://enchanteddiamonds.com/diamonds/view/R123-256264248?utm_source=rarecarat&utm_medium=cpc

https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=2277095900

 

[sledge]

Here are some super ideal options, cream of the crop options with all the performance images you need to make a well educated decision.

WF ACA 1.12ct H SI1 - $7,805 - freakin' gorgeous angles & clean for an SI1
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4022601.htm

WF ACA 1.138ct H VS2 - $8,630 - really like this one too, little bigger + VS2
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4011142.htm

WF ACA 1.201ct H VS2 - $9,582
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4027973.htm

 

[meatyogre]

Thanks for all this info everyone. I was able to get a video of the first diamond you recommended (https://enchanteddiamonds.com/diamonds/view/R128-398763963) does it look good to you?

http://118.143.133.146/GemKOnline/D...ision360.html?d=5296959806&sm=1&btn=1,2,3,4,5

 

[meatyogre]

Sledge, I tried to order one of the diamonds you suggested https://enchanteddiamonds.com/diamonds/view/R128-398763963, and submitted payment. Vendor is now saying the diamond wasn't available which seems sketchy. They're suggesting this instead: https://enchanteddiamonds.com/diamo...1-Carat-H-Color-VS1-Clarity-Diamond-265854213

Is that any good?

Thanks

 

[crbl999]

Sledge, I tried to order one of the diamonds you suggested https://enchanteddiamonds.com/diamonds/view/R128-398763963, and submitted payment. Vendor is now saying the diamond wasn't available which seems sketchy. They're suggesting this instead: https://enchanteddiamonds.com/diamo...1-Carat-H-Color-VS1-Clarity-Diamond-265854213

Is that any good?

Thanks

This stone has great proportions. My only concern is the stone does not look clear in the pictures. This could be due to the fluor or just a bad picture. I would ask the vendor if the stone looks hazy or milky.

@sledge , tagging you to make sure you see the OP comment.

 

[sledge]

This stone has great proportions. My only concern is the stone does not look clear in the pictures. This could be due to the fluor or just a bad picture. I would ask the vendor if the stone looks hazy or milky.

@sledge , tagging you to make sure you see the OP comment.

Thanks @crbl999 and I agree with you -- the proportions seem rather dreamy....

56 table, 62.1 depth, 34.5 crown, 40.8 & 75 LGF. Clarity is VS1 with a tiny feather; otherwise, near perfect clarity.

1.3 HCA
1A AGA/NAJA cut grade (best available)

AGA Cut Class Rules For Determining “Overall” Cut Grade

1A is the highest grade and 4B is the lowest grade

1A grade: All characteristics are best when 1A, but may include a single 1B characteristic. You pay a premium for this cut and you should insist on getting exactly what you are paying for.

https://www.pricescope.com/tools/hca
https://www.pricescope.com/tools/AGA_NAJA_Cut_Class_Grader
https://datlas.com/do-it-yourself-aganaja-cut-class-grader/


When we see the nice black arrows it's because of "head obstruction", rather that be obstruction from our actual heads, a camera, etc. It's difficult to photo a stone with great arrows but also the absence of nice defined arrows can be a sign of a poorly cut stone.

I would also want to know if the stone is negatively effected (milky/hazy) by the MBF. If they say no, then I'd ask them to take some additional pictures and also request an ASET, idealscope and H&A image. Worst they can do is tell you no.

https://www.whiteflash.com/about-diamonds/diamond-education/diamond-photos-why-are-there.htm

https://yourdiamondteacher.com/diamond-4cs/light-performance/diamond-contrast-effect-on-brilliance/

 

[meatyogre]

Thanks, asked vendor for ASET images... they said the stone is not milky/hazy, but I don't think they actually have the stone in front of them since they had to request ASET images from their source.

Here are the images they sent me, do they look good? Thanks!

 

[kmoro]

If I may also suggest: have a look at the stone’s diameter instead of only weight ... one of the suggestions that you thought was the largest was actually not in terms of face up size ...

 

[lovedogs]

If I may also suggest: have a look at the stone’s diameter instead of only weight ... one of the suggestions that you thought was the largest was actually not in terms of face up size ...

I'm confused about this comment---the OP is asking about picking stones, not about picking the biggest stone.

 

[Karl_K]

The last images show what is probably wide ranging angles and twisted lowers but not as bad as other set of images.
It also has some painting/digging
As far as total brightness it doesn't kick them down that far and some of them might even still get ags0 but people see patterns the ones that have large dark blobs in the pattern stands out.
imho it is worse than having no pattern at all because it will stand out because it breaks an otherwise symmetrical pattern in a large way.
It would only be visible to any degree in diffused lighting.
The first and second image in the thread show it very well.
They are cut that way to game the gia grading system but even ags0 won't catch them all but would probably catch the worst ones.

 

[kmoro]

I'm confused about this comment---the OP is asking about picking stones, not about picking the biggest stone.

That is true, but I am referencing the reply to sledge on Oct 9:

In terms of the options you provided, seems like the top is best with respect to size and price, any reason not to prefer that over the others?

 

[meatyogre]

Thanks. Trying to parse out Karl's response, is the conclusion that this last diamond is reasonable but not super ideal, and possibly on the lower end of AGS0?

And yes, I am not shooting for size specifically, but just want to make sure that I'm getting reasonable value and paying for something good.

If this last stone is not worth pursuing, could someone help propose others worth looking at? The others that were proposed are largely gone... unfortunately it took the vendor a while to tell me that the stone I requested was not available.

My initial parameters were 1.3 ct / H / SI1/VS2, round and targeting ~$8k, but I am willing to go higher in price up to say 10k (or down in size) to ensure a good stone if needed.

 

[kmoro]

This one is gorgeous ... a bit smaller at 1.2 ...

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4027973.htm

 

[meatyogre]

Thanks, is that a reasonable price for the stone as well?

Also wanted to verify that I am understanding Karl's response correctly. Thanks so much

 

[bmfang]

The last images show what is probably wide ranging angles and twisted lowers but not as bad as other set of images.
It also has some painting/digging
As far as total brightness it doesn't kick them down that far and some of them might even still get ags0 but people see patterns the ones that have large dark blobs in the pattern stands out.
imho it is worse than having no pattern at all because it will stand out because it breaks an otherwise symmetrical pattern in a large way.
It would only be visible to any degree in diffused lighting.
The first and second image in the thread show it very well.
They are cut that way to game the gia grading system but even ags0 won't catch them all but would probably catch the worst ones.

@Karl_K , this is one of the few instances I’ve seen where an ASET doesn’t seem to correlate to the IS and real life image (particularly on those two arrows that are white in the IS). Have you seen more examples of this in the trade?

 

[kmoro]

Thanks, is that a reasonable price for the stone as well?

Also wanted to verify that I am understanding Karl's response correctly. Thanks so much

I think all the PS vendors have reasonable prices. For some with virtual inventory, the same stone can have a few prices. The Whiteflash one is part of in-house inventory so you won’t find the same diamond with another vendor. A cut above is the best cut diamonds that WF has, and I think well worth it (I am biased however, just having made a purchase with WF, so you should be aware of my bias). I think the one I linked is gorgeous!

 

[Karl_K]

@Karl_K , this is one of the few instances I’ve seen where an ASET doesn’t seem to correlate to the IS and real life image (particularly on those two arrows that are white in the IS). Have you seen more examples of this in the trade?

The IS is useless, it was taken with a black background and there is stray light in the scope.
Basically they didn't set the the machine they are using to take them to the right settings for the IS image.

 

[meatyogre]

Could I get some thoughts on these for comparisons sake? https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/compare.aspx?idnos=4001982,3872128,3986343,4027973 (The last one in the comparison is the 1.2ct sledge and kmoro recommended).

Thanks!