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Feather Concern : WF ACA VS1

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ichibanichiban

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I'm very close to considering this diamond. Of course, I will also ask WF for their opinion. But after reading all the posts about feathers (a lot of different opinions), I'm concerned still. What do you guys think? The inclusion plots shows it at the left edge on the top-view plot, and at the right edge on the bottom-view plot. So this means it's spanning the girdle edge?

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3947692.htm

Thanks.
 
Feather in a VS1 should not be an issue. Plus, WF would not sell stones with issues in their ACA range.
 
No concerns.
 
Absolutely no concerns. ACA criteria is that a feather in their gemologist's opinion has no impact at all on the durability of the diamond. That's a lovely stone.
 
Oops title is wrong, it’s a VS2. Ok thanks!
 
Should still be fine.

@tanalasta's observation still stands.
 
Though I cannot comment on specific diamonds due to forum rules - I can tell you that any VS2 clarity diamond has already gone through the cutting, bruting and polishing process which means it has been super-heated to white-hot temperatures, been buffed and polished and gripped and moved and handled in ways the diamond will never be subjected to in daily wear.

While ANY diamond could chip if impacted or hit at just the right angle, the VS category diamonds should be perfectly safe for daily wear, feather or no. As always - get your ring insured for the sake of common sense and peace of mind!
 
A very nice stone nothing to worry about...love the G/VS2 combo!..:love:
 
I would NOT buy this diamond! This feather is on the girdle edge and visible on the picture. Such feather hides potential risk of chipping. I personally avoid feather inclusions as primary inclusion (or worse: unique inclusion as in this case).
See feather here:
VS2 feather.jpg
VS2 feather close.jpg
 
I have, over many years in the business, sold many diamonds with feathers in them.

About ten years ago, one of them with a chip near the girdle was badly damaged when my client tripped and hit her hand on a car door handle.

The damage was about twenty degrees removed from the feather, which although close to the damage was not at all enlarged.

I am firmly in the camp of those professionals who believe the stress and heat applied to the diamond during cutting is far more likely to enlarge a feather than daily wear.

Wink
 
EvaEvans said:
I would NOT buy this diamond! This feather is on the girdle edge and visible on the picture. Such feather hides potential risk of chipping. I personally avoid feather inclusions as primary inclusion (or worse: unique inclusion as in this case).
See feather here:
VS2 feather.jpg
VS2 feather close.jpg
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Not to go into this again but I've yet to come across a post from experts with 20 years plus experience to comment that they've seen a girdle feather contribute to a chip.

Do you have any personal experience or are you just being cautious? Discrediting feathers at the girdle, would be giving up some of the most hidden and difficult to spot inclusions in diamonds that are otherwise beautifully clear, without any substantial increased risk
 
Do you think the jeweler would place the prong over the feather area? Or away from that area. It will be a 6 prong setting. Or independent if the feather and following the arrows?
 
Besides the 1.33 G VS2, we are also considering this 1.451 I VS1. The original move to a G was because the I looked a little yellow to her, but only from the side and beside an F stone. Any comments regarding the 1.451 is appreciated. Finger size is 5.5 so we wanted to stay in the 1.2-1.3 range.. but this 1.451 is tempting:

1.33 G VS2: https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3947692.htm
1.451 I VS1: https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3947714.htm
 
Love the I. How is she seeing yellow from the side view? Did WF send a photo of the diamond for her to look at? I owned an I from WF and it looked nothing but white. This one is beautiful and loving the fat arrows and small table.
 
This I, VS1 is very beautiful!
 
ichibanichiban said:
Do you think the jeweler would place the prong over the feather area? Or away from that area. It will be a 6 prong setting. Or independent if the feather and following the arrows?
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Just be sure to ask the jeweler to cover the feather with one of the prong..;))
 
ichibanichiban said:
Besides the 1.33 G VS2, we are also considering this 1.451 I VS1. The original move to a G was because the I looked a little yellow to her, but only from the side and beside an F stone. Any comments regarding the 1.451 is appreciated. Finger size is 5.5 so we wanted to stay in the 1.2-1.3 range.. but this 1.451 is tempting:

1.33 G VS2: https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3947692.htm
1.451 I VS1: https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3947714.htm
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Very nice stones!. no bad choice here. If she can see a little tint on the I then go with the G.
 
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For the color differences, I had an F and an I in person without her knowing which was which and over the course of a week she liked the F more (I know, not a fair comparison!). Also WF sent this image comparing a G and and an I.

SBS_1.275-1.451.jpg TRAY_1.275-1.451.jpg

Thanks Rocky for the other recs, but I'm putting a hard limit of 12k on the diamond so those fell off my radar :)
 
I have to say, those are really excellent quality pictures from Whiteflash :)

Kudos to @Diamond_Hawk and his staff!
 
Just for another data point here is a photo WF sent me comparing a H to an I and a K. I ended up getting the K!

TRAY_2.061-2.011-2.014.jpg
 
Both H's RS recommended are under $12k with the wire discount! If she's sensitive to color, I think the H's are a nice compromise on size/color/price.
 
ichibanichiban said:
For the color differences, I had an F and an I in person without her knowing which was which and over the course of a week she liked the F more (I know, not a fair comparison!). Also WF sent this image comparing a G and and an I.

SBS_1.275-1.451.jpg TRAY_1.275-1.451.jpg

Thanks Rocky for the other recs, but I'm putting a hard limit of 12k on the diamond so those fell off my radar :)
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Look at the wire price. Both H colored are in budget.

Haha. Cross posted with @ac117
 
For the feather one, it looks like the prongs usually won’t cover the “arrow” except at 12 o clock and 6 o clock. They said it can be rotated to cover it.

9706C82D-7AB3-48F7-BB7D-943087D051EA.png
 
Diamond_Hawk said:
They are truly impressive photos! While I love compliments, I am afraid I cannot be given credit for them - @Texas Leaguer and the entire WF staff should be applauded.
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DAMMIT!

:facepalm:

I was doubting myself as I was typing it, but was having brain failure after a day at work and couldn't think who works for who... :lol: LOL

Apologies for the mistake, and credit to Texas Leaguer and his team!!
 
Beautiful!!!

I can’t convince myself I can tell a difference between the I and the G face up - which shows how much a difference the cut makes.

It’s obvious from the side. Depending on your setting - is your intended be type to inspect from the side also? The I is noticeably larger and being a VS1 would have minimal inclusions.
 
You do not cover a feather with a prong. Inclusions like this should never be pronged but placed between two prongs. If you hit the ring, you will hit the prongs first most likely and apply pressure to the feather.

I used to have no problem with feathers. But especially from SI or any feather right on the girdle especially if reaching or very close to the surface can pose a risk and it has actually happened to me, in a pendant to boot with a valuable stone of my own. Lower clarity though. No idea how, chip is almost not visible with a loupe.

In a VS2 usually it is not a problem but this is up to you, if you want peace of mind and you are concerned, then you can choose another gorgeous stone with a different type of main inclusion or in a different position but with this stone, chances are very very low that anything would happen.
 
Is your diamond a MRB?
 
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