fair price at 31k?

[elmo65]

Hi!

I am looking at a 2.0 carat Hearts on Fire E SI1 Ideal cut w/ AGS cert for 31,000. It is perfect proportions and inclusions are all off to the side of the table. Is this a reasonable price for a HOF? I put a hold on it. Also, a couple of the inclusons may break the surface of the stone (2-3). How bad is this? It is the most beautiful stone, and I am having lots of trouble finding anything as good through on-line or "wholesalers". I would greatly appreciate feedback, as this is a very expensive purchase! Holloway is a 1.6.

 

[diamondsbylauren]

Hey Elmo- that's a very rich price- have you really exhausted all the options here on PS or elsewhere on the net?

 

[Kaili]

Hi Elmo,
I don't know anything specific about the hearts on fire diamonds. I did find a 2.57 F, SI1, A Cut Above H&A for around $30k on the whiteflash website.

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-805122.htm#

maybe that will help??

 

[denverappraiser]

elmo,

That does seem to be a pretty healthy premium for the HOF brand name. Shop around the various PS vendors and others for their 'super ideal' categories and see what they have. They call them different things but most of them have a group of stones that they describe as their best-of-the-bunch.

Neil Beaty, GG ISA
Independent Appraisals in Denver

 

[longtimelurker]

did you see this one? At one time the price listed was somewhere between $21,000 and $23,000, if my memory serves me right
http://www.goodoldgold.com/2_00ct_e_si1_h%26a.htm
and for $32,442 you could get this one
http://www.goodoldgold.com/2_04ct_e_vs1_ags_ideal.htm
or $25,900 for this one
http://www.goodoldgold.com/2_04ct_e_vs2_h%26a.htm

Whitflash has these two that are Fs
http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-805122.htm
http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-794722.htm

 

[EdSkinner]

Boy Iam glad Iam not you. So much money to spend and don't have a clue to what your trying to buy. Do you realise that there are more diamonds out there than you can shake a stick at. I think that you are being pressured. Unless you need the ring tomorrow, sit back and relax a bit, if that stone isn't there tomorow, it wasn't the stone. Find a stone and get it appraised before hand. And stop getting so parinoid. Ed

 

[Hest88]

It's a reasonable price for a HoF, but you can get diamonds that look just as lovely for considerably less. HoF has a huge marketing presence, but that means you're paying 30-40% over what you would from even other branded H&As. I know some people are willing to pay that much for the name, but I think it's important to understand what you're getting for the price.

 

[Todd07]

2.06c/F/VS1/AGS 0 H&A/ 1.0 HCA for $31348


2.13c/G/VS1/AGS 0/ 0.7 HCA for $27195


2.02c/F/VS2/AGS 0/ 1.3 HCA for $23238


2.01c/G/VS1/AGS 0/ 1.0 HCA for $24107

 

[Dancing Fire]

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On 10/18/2004 6:06:14 PM elmo65 wrote:

Hi!

I am looking at a 2.0 carat Hearts on Fire E SI1 Ideal cut w/ AGS cert for 31,000. It is perfect proportions and inclusions are all off to the side of the table. Is this a reasonable price for a HOF? I put a hold on it. Also, a couple of the inclusons may break the surface of elmothe stone (2-3). How bad is this? It is the most beautiful stone, and I am having lots of trouble finding anything as good through on-line or 'wholesalers'. I would greatly appreciate feedback, as this is a very expensive purchase! Holloway is a 1.6.----------------

elmo65
check with vendor's here on ps,for $31k they can offer you a much better stone but without the HOF stamp on the girdle.

 

[elmo65]

Thank you for all of your help, I am not as good at finding other stones. Is it bad to have a very thin girdle? One of the PS vendors has a nice stone with very thin girdle....

 

[nicknomo]

I heard a very thin girdle can chip easily, so that might be a bad idea. Also if inclusions are peaking through the surface, that could be relatively bad. If you have a small feather or some other fracture at the surface it can possibly spread like a crack in your windshield.

I'd be very careful about a stone with inclusions on the surface.

And 31k is a LOT for a 2 ct stone, I don't care what it is. For that money you should at least be getting better than what sounds like a bad Si1.

 

[Allisonfaye]

I looked at those diamonds in the beginning but there are other square stones that are just as nice for a lot less money. I just purchased a Regent from GOG but you should check out Flanders, Lucere and the other similar ones. I just wouldn't pay that kind of premium for that diamond. Tiffany has one too but I personally think it is way overpriced as well. They are usually I or H color and I like an G or higher.

 

[Todd07]

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On 10/19/2004 8:58:46 AM elmo65 wrote:





Thank you for all of your help, I am not as good at finding other stones. Is it bad to have a very thin girdle? One of the PS vendors has a nice stone with very thin girdle....
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Hi Elmo,

Straight from the tutorial "Girdle thickness should ideally be between thin, medium and slightly thick. There is almost always some variation in girdle thickness around a stone. "
http://diamonds.pricescope.com/girdle.asp

 

[elmo65]

Does 29,900 sound better? Maybe I can make a deal... The jeweler told me that there are no inclusions that break the surface of a HOF diamond. The entire stone is polished. Does anybody else know if that is true or not? I am waiting to see a color copy or the original cert. The stone is a RB by the way, and no flourescence.

 

[longtimelurker]

Only you can decide if the HOF premium is worth it to you. The GOG stone I listed above (2.00 E Si1) has a price in Jonathan's search engine of $22,672.32...which means you'd be paying a premium of almost 32% (of 29,900) or 36.7% of the quoted $31,000

 

[Dancing Fire]

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On 10/19/2004 2:44:19 PM elmo65 wrote:

Does 29,900 sound better? Maybe I can make a deal... The jeweler told me that there are no inclusions that break the surface of a HOF diamond. The entire stone is polished. Does anybody else know if that is true or not? I am waiting to see a color copy or the original cert. The stone is a RB by the way, and no flourescence. ----------------

elmo65
at $15k per ct for a E Si1 that's alot of money for any branded stone of this size,does it have to be a HOF stone ?

 

[ChooChoo]

I would pay a premium for an Eightstar, but not for an HOF - especially not compared to GOG diamonds, which are awesome.

 

[EdSkinner]

Very thin girdle will or may chip over time. If you buy it tell her to take her jewelry off before she takes her karate class. get it appraised before you lay down that kind of cash. Is she really worth that much? If not, can I jump into the market. oxoxoxoxoxoxoxxoxoxoxoxox

 

[elmo65]

Well, this is she and I am worth it

I have looked into other options for the stone. Thanks to all of you who encouraged me to keep looking. I will let you know when I buy something! By the by, can pinpoint inclusions affect the light performance of the stone?

 

[Dancing Fire]

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On 10/20/2004 8:57:38 PM elmo65 wrote:

Well, this is she and I am worth it

I have looked into other options for the stone. Thanks to all of you who encouraged me to keep looking. I will let you know when I buy something! By the by, can pinpoint inclusions affect the light performance of the stone?----------------

elmo,

give jonathan a call at GOG. with that kind of money, you are willing to spend i'm sure he can come up with a top ideal cut stone (bigger size)that will out fire the HOF. pinpoint inclusions will not affect the light performance of the stone.

 

[Dancing Fire]

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On 10/20/2004 12:28:36 PM ChooChoo wrote:

I would pay a premium for an Eightstar, but not for an HOF - especially not compared to GOG diamonds, which are awesome.----------------

ChooChoo
seems like the HOF are even higher premium than the 8* ?