Eyeclean...

[ringhunter]

Hey guys,

I looked at the diamond that was pulled for me today. It looked absolutely great except for the fact that I could see a white speck in the crown near the able, but in the faceted part.

I had a buddy with me that couldn''t see it until I pointed it out. The private jeweler I am using said that 99% of people wouldn''t notice it. I''m young (25) and have good eyes, so maybe I can just see things that most can''t. I looked at another SI2 last week and saw the inclusion in the table immediately and passed on that one. This is still a contender though.

So, this begs the question, just how eyeclean should eyeclean be? I mean, I''m going with an SI2 for monetary reasons, but I don''t want to be able to see anything. Is this possible, or am I just being to particular?

TIA!

Oh, BTW, it''s a GIA 2.01 H SI2 EX/EX/EX and scored a 1.8 on the HCA.

 

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Eyeclean can be your definition, but just make sure that your definition is the same as the person locating it for you - the jeweler needs to be crystal clear on what you want to prevent pulling too many stones that don''t meet your criteria (the jeweler can weed them for you that way.) The larger the stone the more difficult to get an eyeclean SI2 so you may want to go to SI1, but that said, they are out there. Keep digging!

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 12/23/2008 11:04:45 PM
Author:ringhunter
Hey guys,

I looked at the diamond that was pulled for me today. It looked absolutely great except for the fact that I could see a white speck in the crown near the able, but in the faceted part.

I had a buddy with me that couldn''t see it until I pointed it out. The private jeweler I am using said that 99% of people wouldn''t notice it. I''m young (25) and have good eyes, so maybe I can just see things that most can''t. I looked at another SI2 last week and saw the inclusion in the table immediately and passed on that one. This is still a contender though.

So, this begs the question, just how eyeclean should eyeclean be? I mean, I''m going with an SI2 for monetary reasons, but I don''t want to be able to see anything. Is this possible, or am I just being to particular?

TIA!

Oh, BTW, it''s a GIA 2.01 H SI2 EX/EX/EX and scored a 1.8 on the HCA.

maybe you need to look at VS stones.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 12/23/2008 11:04:45 PM
Author:ringhunter
Hey guys,

I looked at the diamond that was pulled for me today. It looked absolutely great except for the fact that I could see a white speck in the crown near the able, but in the faceted part.

I had a buddy with me that couldn''t see it until I pointed it out. The private jeweler I am using said that 99% of people wouldn''t notice it. I''m young (25) and have good eyes, so maybe I can just see things that most can''t. I looked at another SI2 last week and saw the inclusion in the table immediately and passed on that one. This is still a contender though.

So, this begs the question, just how eyeclean should eyeclean be? I mean, I''m going with an SI2 for monetary reasons, but I don''t want to be able to see anything. Is this possible, or am I just being to particular?

TIA!

Oh, BTW, it''s a GIA 2.01 H SI2 EX/EX/EX and scored a 1.8 on the HCA.

Eyeclean can be whatever you want it to be, if you are young with good eyes then it might be more challenging to find a completely eyeclean SI clarity, but not impossible perhaps.

This page should be helpful - Clarity, eyeclean interpretations, definitions and taste.

 

[Judah Gutwein]

Ring hunter,

The term "eye-clean" is by definition subjective on the part of the viewer himself/herself.
Sure, as a vendor speaking with potential clients in cyberspace, it is all of our jobs to make a reasonable assesment of whether a diamond is eye-clean or not for a customer who does not have the luxury of s@@ing the diamond before he/she buys it.

However, given the fact that you did see this diamond and did see the imperfections, makes it a bit irregular for your jeweler to try and push the issue with his "99% of people wont see it" pitch. That assertion is unfair imo, since the 99% of the people he is presumably talking about did not pay for this stone and wont be wearing it....so who actually cares what they might see theoretically??? It is a moot point.

If you can see it and it bothers you, then it is not an eye-clean diamond for you and according to your lexicon.

There is no question that your jeweler could and should be able to find you a truly eye-clean diamond.


Best of luck!!

 

[sparxs111]

I might suggest bumping up to a SI1 as you will have more luck finding an eye clean one. Not saying you wont find an eye clean SI2. The price difference wouldn''t be THAT bad, and don''t forget about that horrible mind clean. If you see it once, you will always see it, and the question is can you or your significan other live with that...

 

[Moh 10]

Don't forget to considered the side view.
Because of the way light reflects in a diamond I believe it is possible for an inclusion to be not visible when looking into the crown but very obvious when looking at the side of the diamond.

I believe clarity is graded only looking down into the crown.
That means unless you make a point of passing up stones that are eye clean from the top and the side you may end up looking at a very obvious inclusion for the rest of your life.
Wouldn't that be disappointing if you worked with a vendor to find the supposedly perfect eye-clean stone?

Many settings, if not most, leave part of the side of the diamond visible.
Tension settings leave it all visible.
You will see the inclusion when you are writing, working on the computer or driving.
In fact most of the time you look at your diamond you will not have your hand flipped up so you are looking straight down into the crown.

Just because labs don't look at the side when grading clarity doesn't mean you never will.
I realize this will make the needle in the haystack even harder to find but I think it is better to be informed about this before the sale.

Granted, if there is a side-visible inclusion that can only be seen from one angle you may be able to have the stone positioned, even in a tension setting, so that flaw is against the metal of the setting.
Just another thing to consider.

 

[ringhunter]

Thanks guys. All good advice. I think I have to pass on this one because once I saw it, my eye immediately went to it each time (I was there for an hour or more staring at it). He had an AGS-0 ther as well that I didn''t like as much. Side by side, the GIA was brighter and sparkled more. BUT, the AGS-0 was eyeclean, to me at least. It was a H SI2 as well, so they must be out there.

The search continues...

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 12/24/2008 12:55:27 PM
Author: Moh 10
Don''t forget to considered the side view.

Because of the way light reflects in a diamond I believe it is possible for an inclusion to be not visible when looking into the crown but very obvious when looking at the side of the diamond.


I believe clarity is graded only looking down into the crown.

That means unless you make a point of passing up stones that are eye clean from the top and the side you may end up looking at a very obvious inclusion for the rest of your life.

Wouldn''t that be disappointing if you worked with a vendor to find the supposedly perfect eye-clean stone?


Many settings, if not most, leave part of the side of the diamond visible.

Tension settings leave it all visible.

You will see the inclusion when you are writing, working on the computer or driving.

In fact most of the time you look at your diamond you will not have your hand flipped up so you are looking straight down into the crown.


Just because labs don''t look at the side when grading clarity doesn''t mean you never will.

I realize this will make the needle in the haystack even harder to find but I think it is better to be informed about this before the sale.


Granted, if there is a side-visible inclusion that can only be seen from one angle you may be able to have the stone positioned, even in a tension setting, so that flaw is against the metal of the setting.

Just another thing to consider.

I think side view is overrated.
Most people never notice the girdle reflection which is 100x more obvious than an inclusion in almost any properly graded SI diamond when viewed from the side.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 12/25/2008 1:18:17 AM
Author: ringhunter
Thanks guys. All good advice. I think I have to pass on this one because once I saw it, my eye immediately went to it each time (I was there for an hour or more staring at it). He had an AGS-0 ther as well that I didn''t like as much. Side by side, the GIA was brighter and sparkled more. BUT, the AGS-0 was eyeclean, to me at least. It was a H SI2 as well, so they must be out there.

The search continues...

Best of luck, you will find the one!

 

[honey22]

In a smaller stone, say less than 1ct, a SI2 that is completely eyeclean, ie. can''t see the visible inclusions with the naked eye, is going to be easier than in a considerably larger stone. I personally wouldn''t want to see ANYTHING in my ering stone, so if you can see something in the SI2, keep looking or up your clarity to SI1 or even VS2 to be on the safe side. I would also prefer a slightly smaller stone that is eyeclean than a larger stone with a visible inclusion.

Good luck