- Oct 20, 2008
Have been doing research about this topic. Are the old European cuts just a bad choice compared to the brilliance of the more modern cuts? What are the pluses and minuses of these older cuts?
For the most part you have to find an old stone, cutters don''t want to cut "older style cuts" because they can get more $ for a modern RB in the marketplace. It just isn''t cost effective for them.Date: 10/21/2008 12:25:55 PM
I personally think the older cuts look more special and I prefer they way they reflect light over the super-sparkly RBs. I get the impression that it''s harder to find old cuts? Is anyone still cutting them like this or do you actually have to find an old stone?
Very cool! I too wish more cutters would do older cuts, but then they''d probably lose some of their charm for me because they''d be "perfect" ya know?Date: 10/21/2008 12:35:16 PM
Thanks Neatfreak. I read some online article that said because of the new demand for rose cut stones, Manak is buying newly cut rose cut diamonds from India.
I hope that trend continues because I really like those styles and would love to own one if I could find one in good shape and high color grade.
The higher colors have been recut over the years by the boatload leaving the lower colors on the market.Date: 10/21/2008 4:22:51 PM
When I had an Old European Cut appraised, the appraiser (who did specialize in antique cuts) said that old cuts should be slightly discounted until they hit 3 cts, then they are on par with round brilliant prices. However, it seems that colorless-range old cuts are actually slightly more expensive than a comparable round brilliant, because they''re pretty scarce. Most old cut diamonds tend to be relatively low in color. So, if you are shopping for one, hopefully you''re OK with lower colors, or at least near-colorless.
I also purchased from OWD. They were definitely the best deal when I was shopping, though their prices can vary a lot. (Also, I''ve purchased OECs off eBay as long as the seller was reputable and had a lenient return policy, but you do have to be VERY careful if trying that route!)
I looked into this and fresh cut precision oec would have to sell for the same price as h&a RB''s to be economical to cut.Date: 10/21/2008 3:59:21 PM
I can''t recommend sellers, but you''ll find asking prices not far apart from equivalent color/clarity/weight/shape modern cuts. Few old cuts bring a premium above modern cut prices although there are always some exceptions to generalizations.
Date: 10/21/2008 4:42:05 PM
I looked into this and fresh cut precision oec would have to sell for the same price as h&a RB's to be economical to cut.Date: 10/21/2008 3:59:21 PM
I can't recommend sellers, but you'll find asking prices not far apart from equivalent color/clarity/weight/shape modern cuts. Few old cuts bring a premium above modern cut prices although there are always some exceptions to generalizations.
Which is one reason they aren't being cut.
What really stinks about the rough supply situation is that having 1 or 2 cut isn't a problem but having a few hundred a year cut is a major problem.Date: 10/21/2008 5:09:22 PM
Ditto. In looking into cutting cushions in the antique style, this was exactly what I found from the cutters we met with.
I would suggest that you go shopping with your GF to determine what she really likes - modern cuts or antiques.
As far as pricing goes, it's difficult to compare prices online unless one has the specific diamonds in front of them for comparison. While one vendor's prices may initially seem more aggressive than another's based on stats alone, there simply isn't enough information available to make such broad generalizations regarding pricing. Solution: If you are interested in several stones from different vendors, have them sent to you at the same time so you can make an apples to apples comparison, and let your eyes be the ultimate judge from that point.
Much like modern cut diamonds, there is also a premium for antique diamonds with beautiful makes, and discounted pricing for the less desirable cuts (which is NOT to say that great pricing cannot be had for beatifully cut stones, of course).