Engagement Ring

[MTL79]

Hi everyone, I'm new to this and stumbled onto this forum. I think it's fantastic and has lots of information.

I was wondering about indented natural inclusions. I have been told by some jewellers to avoid these at all costs. Is there any risk on durability?

I'm looking at buying the diamond from another jeweller and don't know if the location and size should worry me? Is there a guide that explains when to avoid indented naturals?

The diamond in the below link is the one that I was proposed, can anyone provide any feedback as to the quality?

https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=1248775414

Regards

MTL79

 

[Lorelei]

Hi everyone, I'm new to this and stumbled onto this forum. I think it's fantastic and has lots of information.

I was wondering about indented natural inclusions. I have been told by some jewellers to avoid these at all costs. Is there any risk on durability?

I'm looking at buying the diamond from another jeweller and don't know if the location and size should worry me? Is there a guide that explains when to avoid indented naturals?

The diamond in the below link is the one that I was proposed, can anyone provide any feedback as to the quality?

https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=1248775414

Regards

MTL79

Hi Mt and welcome!

Thank you for your very kind words, it is a great place and the best place to learn I believe and get unbiased answers.

The diamond in the link looks good, angles are good, the table is a little larger than we usually see but there's nothing wrong with that unless you want the creme de la creme of diamond cuts which normally have tables not much larger than 75%, but to me if the diamond has great proportions as the one in the link does, there's nothing wrong with a 60% table.

Indented naturals, those aren't something I personally worry about but to put your mind at ease, get any such stone independently appraised which is prudent anyway with a purchase of this magnitude. If you're buying a car you get a mechanic to pop open the hood to check it out, diamonds are no different - well they are but you know what I mean.

 

[PrismBaby]

An indented natural in a VS2 would not be my biggest concern. You can also have the diamond setter place the prongs over the indented naturals at 9 & 12 o'clock if you are doing a four prong setting.

 

[MTL79]

Thank you both for responding, very much appreciate it. I am new to this and there is so much to learn and understand... I should have planned better!

For the price range I'm in, I think this may be the best that I can do...

 

[farrahlyn]

it's outside the ideal specs that are generally recommended here but i found a video and picture and it is not bad. i actually expected much worse for "very good" symetry. it's a 60/60 style so will give off more white flashes of light vs colorful firey flashes of light. I would question the "clouds not shown" in the clarity comments as well. Usually more of an issue in an SI1 (can make the stone look cloudy) but it has been an issue in a VS2 before so always good to question.

Do you want to post your budget so others can make recommendations for you?

 

[scarsmum]

To know if it’s the best you can do check it against a search on rarecarat.com

 

[MTL79]

To know if it’s the best you can do check it against a search on rarecarat.com

Thanks for that, I'll check it out

 

[MTL79]

To know if it’s the best you can do check it against a search on rarecarat.com

it's outside the ideal specs that are generally recommended here but i found a video and picture and it is not bad. i actually expected much worse for "very good" symetry. it's a 60/60 style so will give off more white flashes of light vs colorful firey flashes of light. I would question the "clouds not shown" in the clarity comments as well. Usually more of an issue in an SI1 (can make the stone look cloudy) but it has been an issue in a VS2 before so always good to question.

Do you want to post your budget so others can make recommendations for you?

Thank you for this information! My budget is $20,000 Canadian including the ring. The jeweler said he can do the ring for $1,500, so that leaves $18,500 CAD on the diamond (although I do not know how much of a markup he would want on the diamond itself if he had to buy one, the diamond in the report is already in his inventory). In US, that would be approximately $14,500 on the diamond.

I am looking for a 1.5 carat, F color, VS2 with no fluorescence.

 

[rockysalamander]

Thank you for this information! My budget is $20,000 Canadian including the ring. The jeweler said he can do the ring for $1,500, so that leaves $18,500 CAD on the diamond (although I do not know how much of a markup he would want on the diamond itself if he had to buy one, the diamond in the report is already in his inventory). In US, that would be approximately $14,500 on the diamond.

I am looking for a 1.5 carat, F color, VS2 with no fluorescence.

Why no flour? Have you seen F and prefer it over a G...maybe of cultural importance? Eliminating any flour really narrows your options.

 

[rockysalamander]

Here are a few that have zero or fait flour.
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...f-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-4424367
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...f-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-4314528
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...d-color-vs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-4576339
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3970292.htm

Flexing some of your specs to show some additional options
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...g-color-vs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-4179468 {additonal clouds in comments need to be reviewed, but unlikely to be an issue in a VS1}
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3905121.htm (superideal with a better tradeup policy...and its a super ideal with incredible light return; 1.668 G SI1}
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3970292.htm {1.435 F VS2)

Your jeweler may be able to get the JA options, but the WF stones are their own. From JA, you can put them on hold and request an IS (idealscope) image to post here to see how they return light. If you post a picture of the kind of setting you are looking for, we can show you options from vendors.

 

[Monken]

Hi! Sorry for the question in this thread, but can you comment this shop and rings they selling?
https://lalaserengraving.com/engagement-rings/1-carat/
The idea is that I want to take an engarement ring with a diamond for my gf and the price online is almost double less then in the shop, so I can same a good amount of money in the end. BUt it is really risky and I'm not an expert in this field...
Sorry and thanks

 

[farrahlyn]

@rockysalamander gave you some GREAT options! That first JA stone is gorgeoussssss!

 

[tyty333]

Hi! Sorry for the question in this thread, but can you comment this shop and rings they selling?
https://lalaserengraving.com/engagement-rings/1-carat/
The idea is that I want to take an engarement ring with a diamond for my gf and the price online is almost double less then in the shop, so I can same a good amount of money in the end. BUt it is really risky and I'm not an expert in this field...
Sorry and thanks

Hi Monken,
If you start your own thread posters will be happy to help you.
(its too difficult to work with 2 different people in one thread)

tyty333

 

[skypie]

I could be totally wrong, but it seems like Monken's post might not be a bona fide question but rather an advertisement for that website...

Just a hunch though.

Hi Monken,
If you start your own thread posters will be happy to help you.
(its too difficult to work with 2 different people in one thread)

tyty333

 

[Lorelei]

@rockysalamander gave you some GREAT options! That first JA stone is gorgeoussssss!

She's good isn't she. She needs a new nickname like The Diamond Genie or The Diamond Elf/ Diamond Fairy, procurer of great rocks.

 

[rockysalamander]

She's good isn't she. She needs a new nickname like The Diamond Genie or The Diamond Elf/ Diamond Fairy, procurer of great rocks.

You guys are awesome. You can just call me the Glitter Fairy!

I hope something appeals to @MTL79....how's it going @MTL79 ???

 

[Lorelei]

You guys are awesome. You can just call me the Glitter Fairy!

I hope something appeals to @MTL79....how's it going @MTL79 ???

Glitter Fairy it is!

 

[MTL79]

Here are a few that have zero or fait flour.
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...f-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-4424367
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...f-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-4314528
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...d-color-vs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-4576339
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3970292.htm

Flexing some of your specs to show some additional options
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...g-color-vs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-4179468 {additonal clouds in comments need to be reviewed, but unlikely to be an issue in a VS1}
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3905121.htm (superideal with a better tradeup policy...and its a super ideal with incredible light return; 1.668 G SI1}
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3970292.htm {1.435 F VS2)

Your jeweler may be able to get the JA options, but the WF stones are their own. From JA, you can put them on hold and request an IS (idealscope) image to post here to see how they return light. If you post a picture of the kind of setting you are looking for, we can show you options from vendors.

Thank you, very much appreciate your help on this!

I have gone to three jewelers and none of them are willing to take the risk of ordering the diamond without being able to see it first (although in truth, the reason is because they would rather eliminate their inventoried items first, at least one of them admitted this to me). Which would add additional costs for me. I am unfortunately limited. However my jeweler just called me and asked me about one with a fluorescence and provided the report below. I have no cultural distaste for it, I have just been told in the past to stay away from fluorescence and indented naturals (which I realize I am contradicting myself given that the first link I provided contains an indented natural). Overall, still a bit confused. The one in the link below registers a HCA of 2.8 vs 2.6 for the first one. Given my limited options, I am not sure which of the 2 is better or how else to go about getting a better one given that the trusted jewelers in my area don't want to acquire any on the market for me (partly due to the fact that I am a first time buyer and they have no track record of my credibility).

https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=2277141791

 

[farrahlyn]

Thank you, very much appreciate your help on this!

I have gone to three jewelers and none of them are willing to take the risk of ordering the diamond without being able to see it first (although in truth, the reason is because they would rather eliminate their inventoried items first, at least one of them admitted this to me). Which would add additional costs for me. I am unfortunately limited. However my jeweler just called me and asked me about one with a fluorescence and provided the report below. I have no cultural distaste for it, I have just been told in the past to stay away from fluorescence and indented naturals (which I realize I am contradicting myself given that the first link I provided contains an indented natural). Overall, still a bit confused. The one in the link below registers a HCA of 2.8 vs 2.6 for the first one. Given my limited options, I am not sure which of the 2 is better or how else to go about getting a better one given that the trusted jewelers in my area don't want to acquire any on the market for me (partly due to the fact that I am a first time buyer and they have no track record of my credibility).

https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=2277141791

@MTL79 why not purchase yourself and have a jeweler set it for you? usually this involves a setting fee... OR you could always just purchase the whole kit and caboodle online, just ensure you have a good return policy. JA has some nice settings

 

[MTL79]

@MTL79 why not purchase yourself and have a jeweler set it for you? usually this involves a setting fee... OR you could always just purchase the whole kit and caboodle online, just ensure you have a good return policy. JA has some nice settings

To be totally honest, I would not be very comfortable doing that, I'm too much of a novice at this at this point

 

[foxinsox]

To be totally honest, I would not be very comfortable doing that, I'm too much of a novice at this at this point

Ah but that's where we can help - the people on this forum are experienced at finding amazing diamonds and none of them have less than ideal inventory to sell you.
Please don't limit yourself to what the "trusted" jewelers in your area will let you buy with your hard earned cash.

 

[farrahlyn]

ditto @foxinsox there are many here that can help with this process. Educate yourself some, don't be in a rush to buy and let some of the experienced members help you out. I promise you will end up with a MUCH nicer stone than the jewelers in your area are acquiring for you. You are dropping a LOT of money on this purchase. WHY would you let someone dictate to you the quality of stone you're getting.

It would be like going to purchase a new car and when you get to the lot, you don't see the particular color and amenities that you want. So you tell the sales guy that you'd like to order one, you saw that a dealership a few states over has exactly what you want, could you arrange getting that car or order one brand new like that one and he tells you NO. How would you feel? Would you go ahead and purchase one of the cars on the lot from him?

 

[Lorelei]

Everyone makes great points ( as per usual).

There's a whole crowd here of highly knowledgeable and educated consumers who have no irons in any particular fire for themselves or otherwise, all ready to share what they know to help you out.

They're whizz's at finding spectacular diamonds for your budget and requirements and happy to help you weed through what's available if you prefer to stick to b&m stores too if that's your preference, that might be more difficult without images but there are still things we can do to assist.

 

[MTL79]

Thanks everyone, so I take it the 2 diamonds I've provided above are not good?

 

[MTL79]

it's outside the ideal specs that are generally recommended here but i found a video and picture and it is not bad. i actually expected much worse for "very good" symetry. it's a 60/60 style so will give off more white flashes of light vs colorful firey flashes of light. I would question the "clouds not shown" in the clarity comments as well. Usually more of an issue in an SI1 (can make the stone look cloudy) but it has been an issue in a VS2 before so always good to question.

Do you want to post your budget so others can make recommendations for you?

Quick question, how did you find a video and picture of the diamond? Does the GIA offer a video feature?

 

[farrahlyn]

Quick question, how did you find a video and picture of the diamond? Does the GIA offer a video feature?

no, i searched for the GIA report number on Enchanted Diamonds i think and found the listing. it's virtual inventory so stonse are sometimes listed on multiple sites.

oh and yes, i'd pass on both!