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Ok, this is going to be really, really long, I apologize. I’m sorry to vent and spill my issues, but this has been stewing and I needed a bit of an ‘outlet.’


As much as I love planning my wedding, a friendship that had always been somewhat strained has essentially fallen apart, and while I feel like I did the best thing for myself, it still hurts to lose a friend. I do think the broken friendship has been coming for a long time now, it just took the wedding to amplify the issues.


We kept the wedding party small. 3 on each side. One friend from HS on each side, one friend from College and on each side we each have one sibling, also in the wedding party. I thought long and hard about this, as there were two other people I was on the fence about including in my BP. My one friend is getting married in the same timeframe as me, and is a bridesmaid shortly after her own wedding, so I think she’s happy to not have the cost of being a bridesmaid at mine, but she is still very excited about talking everything wedding with me. My other friend, I had a feeling would feel snubbed, but based on our past history, I did not want the drama associated with the friendship entwined in the wedding plans. I did, however, want her to be included, in some way, so I asked if she would read one of our two scripture passages. She was so excited initially, but I guess I should have predicted it wasn’t going to be that simple.


A little backstory: we’ve known each other for almost 20 years. She has been through a lot in her life (tumultuous family circumstances, lots of counseling) and I know things still aren’t peachy with her. In the time we’ve been friends, she’s ‘unfriended’ me several times (juvenile I know, but this was jr high and earlier when it happened) and then I would try to mend the friendship and we’d go back to normal. Until something would happen again and the cycle would start over.


Anyway, after she accepted being a part of the wedding, not even a week later I get this long drawn out message from her saying now that she doesn’t feel like she belongs, that she feels like I’m asking her out of some obligation because we’ve known each other for so long and that she feels like she’d be taking the place of someone we wanted more than her. I really feel like she talked to someone and they said something along the lines of “how are you not a bridesmaid? I’d totally be mad if I wasn’t a bridesmaid.”


I talked to her again, wanting to see if she’d bring it up, and she acted like nothing happened... at all. Finally I broached the subject with her, saying “if you’re uncomfortable, I totally understand, and I don’t mind at all, but I just wanted to talk to you about it and just see what you’re feeling.” Lo and behold, she changed her tune again, excited again about reading.


A few weeks later, I get another message from her about how she feels out of place again, how we’re growing apart and how she feels like there is no place in my life for her anymore. She also mentioned that she wasn’t sure if she is even coming to the wedding anymore due to school and finances. She told me not to be upset if she and her boyfriend just huddled in the corner at the reception because she won’t know anyone there and it’ll be uncomfortable and they’re probably just going to leave early anyway. Seriously? I’ve been to so many weddings where I don’t know anyone minus, on occasion, a date. You know what, I talk to people.


She made it sound like I was forcing her to be a part of the ceremony. I felt angry, hurt, and guilty. I know we’re growing apart, but I would try to send messages and call every once in a while to see how things are going. Unfortunately, I got tired of the same old “woe is me, my life sucks – but I’ll live” response.


I got fed up at this point, it’s like she was trying to hold my wedding hostage, as if we would hold everything waiting to see if she would grace us with her presence. This is been kind of the story for our whole relationship. She would say something along the lines of “I don’t feel like I should be there”, and I would have to come back with ‘No, really, it would mean a lot to me if you would come!” so that she would feel wanted (?) I don’t know. But I’m certainly not going to force her to come to my own wedding. Especially if she is going to be as miserable as she predicts. I’m not going to spend my whole reception feeling guilty because I wanted her to be involved in the wedding and now she doesn’t know anyone and I don’t have the time to coddle her all night.


So I talked with my family and my fiancé, and I finally decided that the drama isn’t worth trying to fix anymore. I’m done with trying to play peacemaker. I basically told her that since she is unsure whether she will even be able to come due to classes and distance, and because money is an issue I feel like it would be best to have her come as a guest to take any pressure of attending off. I told her that if she can make it, we’d love to see her, if she can’t, we totally understand. If she comes, I don’t have to feel guilty that she was ‘forced’ to be there. She said that’s perfectly fine and that she still will try to come to the wedding.


While I was home, she mentioned she wanted to get together. I was home for a week, but there were a lot of family events, wedding planning and appointments to make, and the only time she was free was when she was hanging out with some friends of hers, most of which I don’t even know. I also didn’t get the message until after she’d left the restaurant, so going was out of the question by then anyway. So we weren’t able to meet up. I get another message now about how she is sorry about what happened to our friendship and how she’s tried but it’s just not the same. I’m pretty sure she isn’t planning on coming to the wedding at all now.


I’m heartbroken that it’s turned out this way, but I don’t really know what other options I had. I am tired of indulging her insecurities, I’m frustrated that she essentially tried to hold the wedding planning hostage with her plans of whether she was coming or not, and I am mostly upset that she tried to make me feel guilty and like I was forcing her to come to an event that she is going to be so uncomfortable at and that she will probably just leave early anyway.


Honestly? I’m also a little glad too... I’ve been putting up with this behavior for almost 20 years now, and I now I’m realizing that this is a toxic friendship. It’s been the same cycle of behaviors over and over again, and I’m tired of seeing my phone ring and knowing it’s her complaining about how she has no money, school sucks, life in general sucks, but she’ll live. She guesses. For the sake of privacy and not disclosing too much of her personal information, she’s also had some self-harm issues. I’ve gotten calls in the middle of the night about something she’s done, and from halfway across the country, I had to call her local friends (none of whom I know) so that they could take her to the hospital. This has happened several times, and she goes to counseling once or twice afterwards, then stops. Then eventually it happens again. I know people need help sometimes, I understand that and I am all for being able to help out, but if you need professional help and refuse to get it, that’s where I draw the line. I don’t want to enable.


Obviously, there are a lot of issues other than the wedding itself, but I think that was the last straw (there is also more to this story but I think this post is long enough as it is). I know that it’s selfish, but she never once said she was happy for me. Or even mentioned the wedding or engagement unless it was to talk about backing out of it or not being able to come. I’ve had complete strangers be more excited for my upcoming wedding than her. I can just imagine if she had actually been asked to be a bridesmaid what issues would have come up. (For the record, the bridesmaids I chose had never met each other before, but they get along great and have been awesome for helping me decompress and distress. I’m so thankful I stuck to my guns)


If you’ve made it this long, thank you. Tell me I’m right, tell me I’m wrong, I can handle it. If you have any advice, any thoughts, please feel free to share. I’m still a little overwhelmed by all of this, but it feels so therapeutic to get it out of my system.
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Cammy, I''m so sorry you''re going through all of this! How crappily ironic it is that you did everything you could to AVOID the emotional drama, with this girl, and yet, somehow, she brings it to your doorstep no matter what.

First, I want to tell you that I think you did the right thing. Even if she DOES have all these ambivalent feelings about the friendship between you two, and her place in it, the context of YOUR WEDDING is absolutely not the appropriate outlet for those feelings. The mature, healthy thing for her her to have done is to have either accepted the invitation to read at the ceremony, or declined. Period. You are her friend, not her therapist. You''re not her self-esteem coach either, and you''re not obligated to do the little "Go, Childhood Girlfriend, Go!" cheer every single time she feels insecure.

Your wedding is not about her. You wedding is about you and the man you love. It''s also about planning, coordination, and managing sums of money and many people and items. You really can''t afford to be distracted because you''re juggling a lot right now.

However, her insecurities seem to be taking control of her reasoning to the point where she needs a lot of hand-holding. Unfortunately, you''re kind of stretched to your limit emotionally, time-wise, and logistics-wise, so you can''t really be there to prop her up.

It''s unfortunate that she can''t pull it together enough to act like an adult, but I think that you''ll be much more stress free without these emotional windstorms from her. And maybe she''ll finally review how her behavior has lost her a great friend, and she''ll work on revising that. It could be a growing and learning experience for her, best case scenario.

All that said, I hope she does accept the invitation, and I hope she has more fun than just curling up in a dark corner with her guy. That way she will have gotten to participate, and you will have avoided the angst and stress of being her self-worth-coach, or her official cheerleader.
 
I am not always the best with advice over a computer screen but I just wanted to send you some hugs.

I am sure some of the other wiser ladies will have better insight for you.
 
Wow, Cammy! (((HUGS)))

I am really proud of you for putting your needs ahead of someone else''s. Especially that you are able to view the relationship for what it is: Toxic. I am sure that she has mental and emotional problems as well, however, it takes a REALLY BIG persons to be able to take a step back and say: I do NOT have the patience, the energy or the grace to deal with this.

I have walked away from selfish, self-centered people before and I can assure you, that you made the best choice possible. Your (ex)friend needs help, but not the kind that you can offer (a shoulder to cry on, a hug when needed or a well-intentioned word). She needs professional help, and nothing you or anyone says will make her get that help. She has to want it and seek it out for herself.

This should be the happiest time of your life, and if she can''t see beyond her multiple issues to AT LEAST say a kind word about your upcoming marriage, then you absolutely made the best decision for you.

Best Wishes on your upcoming marriage by the way!!!!
 

Cammy…I just wanted to say I’m sorry since I know how it feels. Someone that I always called my best friend treated me horribly over the years. For her wedding, I bent over backwards and did everything for her and the night of her rehearsal dinner she humiliated me in front of everyone. She called me names, yelled at me, isolated me from everyone making the weekend absolutely miserable. Not once did I receive a thank you for all that I’ve done for her. And to make matters worse, if you see the email she sent me after everything…I swear if words could kill I would be dead right now. I had to end the friendship as well and even then I’m still sad over it.


It’s normal to feel sad. The friendship was part of your history and now it’s gone. Mourning the friendship is part of the process. But it will feel better, I promise. It’s been a month since everything went down and I feel like a weight has been lifted off of my shoulders. I have some “me” time back. I used to spend the entire day emailing her about what was going on in her life, talking to her on the phone on the way home, and when I was home she would sometimes come over to continue talking…never once asking ‘how are you, fiery?’ And because I was spending so much time with her I barely had time for any of my other friends. Now I’m building stronger friendships with them and they are actually interested in me and my life. It’s kind of nice.


Enjoy planning your wedding! And just try to remember that you did the right thing for you.
 
Thank you so much for your replies so far. It is hard for me to accept that this was a truly rational decision. Not a spur of the moment snap judgement. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but there are some circumstances that are too much. I really appreciate the hugs too. I guess I''m accepting it''s been a long time coming, but it''s really hard to finally put my foot down.

Fiery, i remember reading your post about that wedding. I would have been mortified. I cannot believe how well you handled yourself. I''m glad it gets better. Your mentioning the endless phone calls and emails reminds me of her as well, and I''m glad you were able to separate yourself and find time for the friends that really care about you. I''m happy for you!

I do feel a slight sense of relief, and I think right now I''m feeling a little guilty because of it. I don''t know if she realizes what she''s doing, or whether she really knows what happened to our friendship (aside from her saying shes tried to call and keep in touch but we just keep growing apart), and she does seem confused and unhappy about it, and here I am feeling relieved that I''m not dealing with this drama anymore. I always remembered (at least recently) whenever she''d call and I''d pick up, no matter what mood I was in before the call, I''d always be so depressed after getting off the phone because of the woe-is-me story. And I felt bad for FH because he got left with me in a poo mood and he did nothing wrong. It isn''t fair to him either. I''m hoping that will go away as well, and I can really appreciate having the guts to actually put my foot down and do something for me.

Thank you so much for the wedding wishes as well, I really am excited for it, especially now. There has really been no other drama with the whole wedding minus this fiasco, and this was at least relatively under my control. So aside from the aftermath of this, things are going very smoothly, which I can appreciate as the date gets closer and closer.

Thank you guys so much. I know it''ll take time, but I''m hoping I can be totally ok with this in the near future. (The most recent development is only a few days old, so I figure I still need some time.)
 
Cammy, the ending of a friendship is always so hard. But the fact of the matter is, weddings tend to either bring out the best or worst in a person, and unfortunately, you''re not the first girl to loose a friend in the process...

Sadly, my wedding bought about the end of two friendships I had valued and considered important parts of my life for a very long time...one friend had been in my life for over 15 years...the other had been in my life for over 5. Needless to say, I was heartbroken and sad, it but a bitter twist on the sweetest day of my life, and when I remember my wedding, I also remember how I felt knowing that that day was the beginning of my new life and the end of dear friendships all wrapped into one. But, at the end of the day, surrounding yourself with good people in life is so important, and compromising on that is something that you just shouldn''t have to do. If you feel leaving this friendship in the past is in your best interest, you''re probably right.

In time, it does get easier. I find myself getting nostaglic from time to time about my friends--and I''ll openly admit, I miss them both very much at different times for different reasons. Giving up a friend isn''t easy...but sometimes you just have too...

Big hugs and I hope you feel better about it soon...
 
Date: 1/8/2009 11:27:42 AM
Author: cammy85

I do feel a slight sense of relief, and I think right now I''m feeling a little guilty because of it. I don''t know if she realizes what she''s doing, or whether she really knows what happened to our friendship (aside from her saying shes tried to call and keep in touch but we just keep growing apart), and she does seem confused and unhappy about it, and here I am feeling relieved that I''m not dealing with this drama anymore. I always remembered (at least recently) whenever she''d call and I''d pick up, no matter what mood I was in before the call, I''d always be so depressed after getting off the phone because of the woe-is-me story. And I felt bad for FH because he got left with me in a poo mood and he did nothing wrong. It isn''t fair to him either. I''m hoping that will go away as well, and I can really appreciate having the guts to actually put my foot down and do something for me.

We must have the same friend. The same thing would always happen to me. And no matter how optimistic I would try to be with her on the phone to change the mood of the call, it never worked. There were times when I would feel physically ill after hanging out with her because of all the negativity. And because she was so emotionally unstable, I never had the guts to just tell her to get over herself so I brought all that pent up frustration home which wasn’t fair to anyone.
And I could never get in a story about myself. I don’t like to air my dirty laundry (at least not IRL LOL) but if I was really upset over something, I would email her about it. The conversation *always* flipped to be about her. I would say “I’m really mad at Mr. Fiery because of x thing he did” and she’s respond back with “boy that sucks. I remember when J used to do x, y, and z to me and oh yea did I tell you about a, b, and c?” and the next 8 hours was dedicated to making her feel better.

Ugh, I do not miss that at all LOL

Trust me, it will feel better
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I think you're doing the right thing, because its what you feel is best. Sounds like you outgrew her awhile ago, but out of your loyalties to her, you stuck by. Its hard to lose friendships--thats a given--especially those that have been with you for so long, but if its not doing you good and making you happy any longer, you can't continue to subject yourself. Its unfortunate but its life.

I am dealing with something similar, only its a cousin in my case. We are close, but she is so hard to deal with, and has hurt me time and time again, I am really starting to lose it. Although, when its family its a bit trickier
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Kudos to you for putting your health and happiness first. You deserve to be nothing but happy. My best advice is to try and think of all the people in your life that make you happy--the ones that seek your company and love you unconditionally...those are the people to keep close. Good luck
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Hugs! I just wanted to share that I had a similar situation with a childhood friend, but we have very recently begun to reconstruct our friendship. She sort of "caught up" and with therapy is now ready to be a friend to others and not just a downward spiral of self destruction. I was sad to have lost her friendship, but relieved at the same time...I think you understand. But now we are planning lunches and getting back to where we were. In your situation this repair might be unthinkable...but that was what I thought about two years ago when I walked away. Just a thought for the long term.
 
Cammy, you did the right thing. I went through exactly the same sort of scenario with a now ex-friend of mine. There are just certain people in our lives that are "toxic" to us. By that I mean you invest so much energy in the relationship and you get mostly negative returns. This is not healthy. (((HUGS))) I know how hard this is.

But PLEASE do not feel guilty for feeling relieved that you don''t have to deal with this person''s drama anymore. It is very sad that you had to take this step, but ultimately, the most important thing is your own mental health. Ultimately, although it sounds very harsh to say it, you will be happier with her out of your life.

Here are some articles on toxic friendships that may help you feel better.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/01/26/health/webmd/main1242335.shtml

http://women.webmd.com/features/toxic-friends-less-friend-more-foe
 
Cammy - I just wanted to say that you are doing the right thing, and that in the end this will be healthier for both of you. Although mine didn''t happen around a wedding, I did have to walk away from a one sided selfish friendship. It was all about her and I had to cater to her every need and whim, but she was never there for me, and always turned things around to be about her. You don''t need people like that in your life at all. She should feel FLATTERED that you even asked her to be a part of the wedding and instead she''s making it all about her. Hugs to you for doing this, it takes a very strong person to be able to walk away from bad relationships of ANY kind.
 
Cammy, I am so sorry you are going through this. Sometimes it is best to let those friendships go - it is hard, but they just weigh you down. Hugs!
 
While I''m sorry so many of you have had to go through a similar situation, I really appreciate your stories. It''s really great to hear outside perspectives.

I think about it now in terms of reading my post as if some random stranger wrote it, and I would be saying the same thing you all are saying to me. This is not a healthy relationship, and cutting ties is probably the best thing for my own sanity.

And I find it funny, if I had a boyfriend that did HALF the things this girl has done, I would have kicked him to the curb (granted it took me almost 4 years to realize my last boyfriend was bad for me as well... ). I don''t know why it is so different with a friend, maybe the longevity of the relationship?

But seriously, all your comments are really making me feel less guilty, and I think it''s helping the ''mourning'' process. It sucks right now, but I know it''s for the better.

wannaBmrsH - Thank you for saying I should be proud. Lately I''ve gone between patting myself on the back for standing up for myself to thinking how I could be so selfish to give up on a friendship of almost 20 years. You really gave me the boost of confidence that I really needed.

Italia - I am really sorry to hear you lost two friendships. I am a little worried about that bitter twist you were talking about, but remembering to focus on the people who really mean a lot to me and will be part of my future versus only a part of my past will really help me. It was weird looking through pictures from when we were really young - and she''s in a lot of them. So that hurts a bit bringing back those fun memories when those pictures were taking, but there were even some issues back then (unfriending, uninviting me to birthday parties), which are the ''grain of salt'' to those happy pictures. The nostalgia is hard, but I do need to remember what caused the rift. That seems to ease it a little bit.

fiery - Man, I really do think we had the same friend. I could have written your post. It makes me feel better to hear other people have had to deal with the same thing as well as how you all handled it as well.

Bia - its funny you say it the way you did. My parents said that nearly word for word about outgrowing her a while ago. I agree life is too short to be voluntarily subjecting yourself to people who drag you down. I am very sorry to hear you are having similar issues with a family member.

Swimmer - Thanks for the input. I don''t know if our relationship will ever be reconstructed (probably not unless she gets the help she really needs) but I am very happy your friend was able to get whatever help she needed and that you are able to start your friendship over.

Marchswallowbird - The articles are really informative. I appreciate that. And I do feel like a weight has been lifted, which I think says more than anything to me that I did in fact do what''s best for me.

dragonfly - I hear where you are coming from, and I really think that you''re right that this is better the way things are right now.

dreaming - thank you for the kind words. I really appreciate it. You''re right. Letting go is hard. But when holding on is harder than letting go, it''s time to let go.
 
Date: 1/8/2009 11:41:43 AM
Author: Italiahaircolor
Cammy, the ending of a friendship is always so hard. But the fact of the matter is, weddings tend to either bring out the best or worst in a person, and unfortunately, you're not the first girl to loose a friend in the process...
Yep, I can personally attest to this as well. I lost two friends (who were insulted not to be asked to be bridesmaids... that was an ugly time). I also had a friend come out of the woodwork, one that I'd ended a friendship with over two years before, sucking up and apologizing seemingly in an attempt to win an invite to the wedding (which she did not receive).

I've had a big friend turnover since we got engaged. It's sort of like winning the lottery... the position(s) you're placed in force you to figure out who your positive and negative influences are, and hopefully flush the negative. This is a good thing. I can tell you this as someone who's come out on the other side in a much better place!

Anyway, you need a hug. Hopefully venting will help. Do you or any of your close by family/friends have furbabies? If so, go cuddle one. Now! It will help, I promise
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Musey, I still can''t believe how much animosity can come out of the whole wedding ordeal. Especially who is and isn''t a bridesmaid. Sheesh. I feel like the wedding has been a little like my influence detox. I see the light at the end of the tunnel at least, but there are certainly a few potholes left along the way! The venting really has helped. I don''t have a lot of people I like unloading my problems to, but I''m realizing that keeping it pent up was not a good coping mechanism for me. If nothing else, getting it out of my head onto ''paper'' makes me feel like I can let some of it go. I think transferring my story from floating around in my head to floating around somewhere else is really helpful.


And no, unfortunately I have no nearby furbabies at the moment

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though I''m trying to get my hands on a corgi puppy in the near future! I added a picture (closest I get to a puppy hug) but just seeing the picture makes me smile! I can''t wait to have a cuddlebuddy of my very own!



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I can only give you hugs because I am in an almost identical situation. I am so proud of you for ending this toxic relationship. It will make your wedding day and they rest of your life so much more peaceful.

I know it sucks right now though so I''ll give you a big internet HUUUUG
 
Date: 1/8/2009 2:38:27 PM
Author: redfaerythinker
I can only give you hugs because I am in an almost identical situation. I am so proud of you for ending this toxic relationship. It will make your wedding day and they rest of your life so much more peaceful.

I know it sucks right now though so I''ll give you a big internet HUUUUG
Thank you for the hug! I hope you can resolve your situation as well, and I''m sorry you''re stuck in something similar.




I am still trying to decide if it''s worth responding to the last message I have from her or if I should just stop altogether, no warning... I''m worried responding might seem like it''s opening things back up. But I also feel like ignoring the message itself is somewhat cruel. Ugh.
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Date: 1/8/2009 2:32:50 PM
Author: cammy85
Musey, I still can''t believe how much animosity can come out of the whole wedding ordeal. Especially who is and isn''t a bridesmaid. Sheesh. I feel like the wedding has been a little like my influence detox. I see the light at the end of the tunnel at least, but there are certainly a few potholes left along the way! The venting really has helped. I don''t have a lot of people I like unloading my problems to, but I''m realizing that keeping it pent up was not a good coping mechanism for me. If nothing else, getting it out of my head onto ''paper'' makes me feel like I can let some of it go. I think transferring my story from floating around in my head to floating around somewhere else is really helpful.
I know, it''s ridiculous. People are ridiculous. I couldn''t believe that these girls even wanted to be bridesmaids, much less expected to.

Venting is always helpful, and PS is a relatively safe place to do it. I''m glad you got it off your chest.

And no, unfortunately I have no nearby furbabies at the moment

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though I''m trying to get my hands on a corgi puppy in the near future! I added a picture (closest I get to a puppy hug) but just seeing the picture makes me smile! I can''t wait to have a cuddlebuddy of my very own!



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Oh my, what a cute little baby!! I want him!! I just wanna shove my face into his little belly!!!!!!!!!!
 
I had something really cute that my grandma told me, but I can''t remember for the life of me how it goes! AH!

It was something about some friends are for a season, some are for a reason, and then some are for a lifetime.
It sounded way better when she said it, I wish I remembered it!

My point is, sometimes we lose touch with ppl we were once close with. That''s okay. People change. Some for the good, some for the bad, etc. It''s sad when we have to move on, but at least you were mature enough to see that the relationship wasn''t healthy for you anymore, and you are able to move on from that.

You guys will be what I call HI friends. You say HI, you catch up, you move on. Whenever you see or hear from eachother at random. And taht''s okay!

HUGS!
 
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