Emerald Ring

[wakingdreams53]

Hello ladies!
I've ventured over to your forum out of being mesmerized by your gorgeous stones!!!

I would like to get my mom a beautiful emerald-cut emerald halo ring with pave for her birthday (early December). We currently live 25 miles apart and see each other every few weeks, but now she's moving over 2000 miles away, so I figure this is a big deal. Emerald is my birth stone, I know that she likes it, and although she'd never forget her first born, I thought it would be a nice gesture.
However, she isn't the type to wear rings or much jewelry daily. She recently acquired what I can only assume to be a 30ct (perhaps more) Amethyst cabochon cut ring. It's enormous, but she can pull it off. (long slender fingers, ring finger size 6.5)

There's this LOGR ring that she said that she liked, due to the classic nature and incredible saturation-- however, she wouldn't want a "fake" emerald. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390236903604&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
I know it's been heat treated and probably diffused, and a ton of unnatural things, but isn't it still technically a natural emerald? It's obviously much bigger, more saturated, and cleaner than what I can afford without taking out a loan.

So my ultimate question is this: is it worth it? I've bought two natural emeralds, one 1.4ct (columbian) and the other 1ct (zambian). To treat them (anti-PS, I know) would be $100 each, and I'd rather spend more money on a beautiful setting than bother with treatments. I'm afraid it'll be too small for her liking. So then should I simply keep those emeralds to myself and buy her the LOGR or.... what?

Sorry that was so long, I'm just so very confused!

 

[Pandora II]

I'd be amazed if much of that stone was still real I'm afraid. You'd be buying a piece of dyed resin or glass that might have a bit of low quality green beryl hidden in there somewhere. As long as you know this and are happy with it then it's a great buy.

Sadly emeralds of decent colour and size are extremely expensive. Have you considered going with something like a green garnet (grossular or tsavorite) instead. It won't be an emerald but it'll look pretty and actually be a natural rock!

 

[SB621]

I also think you should just go with something else that is green- honestly that ring would be a waste of money.

 

[serenitydiamonds]

Something about that one just isn't right.....

--Joshua

 

[chrono]

Although it is stated that the stone is diffused, dyed and filled, it looks more like a synthetic to me than anything else. With a cost of barely $190, that’s practically the cost of the setting alone which means that the “emerald” is essentially worth peanuts, which makes me wonder if it’s even real. Everybody’s definition of natural differs; to me, natural means totally untreated, the way it comes out of the ground as made by Mother Nature herself, other than being dug out and faceted by humans. Is it real? Who knows…maybe. No way to be sure unless sent to a lab or highly skilled gemologist, but that will already be more than the cost of the ring itself so that is not cost efficient.

I understand that LOGR is a favourite among PSers here but only for their settings. There are doubts about their coloured gemstones. However, at least LOGR is honest enough to disclose treatment for this particular example. Resin treatment and oiling of emeralds are routine and acceptable but not diffusion and dyeing. Heavily filled stones are also frowned upon because of it’s lowered structural integrity.

 

[T L]

I highly suspect that LOGR is selling synthetic emeralds and not disclosing it properly. For example, I've seen some listings say "natural tourmaline" ring, but other gemstone listings do not include the word "natural." Therefore, he's not lying when he says it's an emerald, but it's probably man made. I think the blue spinels and other gems he's selling are synthetic too.

 

[RockHugger]

Watch out for synthetics...I can see a couple things in that stone just from the pics that scream synthetic.

 

[wakingdreams53]

Hmm, thank you all so much!
LOGR would make the ring and get the emerald for me for ~260, since there's no longer an auction for it. But it seems like I should stick with the emeralds I bought because even though they're smaller, at least they are natural.

I read that Columbian emerald would be best in yellow gold. My mom is an incredibly classic woman, but thinks that yellow gold cheapens the look. Should I nonetheless stick with the LOGR emerald setting or find something that would fit better. (I'll post pictures tonight for some actual comparison)

I'm having extreme difficulty finding something online even remotely similar to the LOGR design without thinking custom. Has anyone here gotten pave or melee rings from DanielM of Etsy?

 

[LD]

Hmm, thank you all so much!
LOGR would make the ring and get the emerald for me for ~260, since there's no longer an auction for it. But it seems like I should stick with the emeralds I bought because even though they're smaller, at least they are natural.

I read that Columbian emerald would be best in yellow gold. My mom is an incredibly classic woman, but thinks that yellow gold cheapens the look. Should I nonetheless stick with the LOGR emerald setting or find something that would fit better. (I'll post pictures tonight for some actual comparison)

I'm having extreme difficulty finding something online even remotely similar to the LOGR design without thinking custom. Has anyone here gotten pave or melee rings from DanielM of Etsy?

Emeralds look good in yellow or white gold and also platinum. If the setting is delicate then there's no reason why it would cheapen the look.

 

[T L]

I prefer emeralds in high karat YG, but if it's a fine emerald, it will look good no matter the metal. I have a very nice Colombian one in platinum, and it looks fine in there.

 

[Lady_Disdain]

I read that Columbian emerald would be best in yellow gold. My mom is an incredibly classic woman, but thinks that yellow gold cheapens the look.

Have you talked to her about high karat gold? I dislike 14kt, but I love the richness of 18 and 22kt gold.

 

[wakingdreams53]

I read that Columbian emerald would be best in yellow gold. My mom is an incredibly classic woman, but thinks that yellow gold cheapens the look.

Have you talked to her about high karat gold? I dislike 14kt, but I love the richness of 18 and 22kt gold.

She just doesn't care for it. She has a white-gold spiral pave ring that she wears, the rest of her jewelry is silver. Not much talking into, though I personally do love 18k yg.

I also have the Zambian, but it's a bit smaller. Perhaps that would be better with a white metal? Any creative minds can think of a way to utilize two different types of emerald in one ring?

 

[partgypsy]

I see some problems here. She wants big and she wants emerald, and those doesn't go together (especially on any kind of budget).
Also she wants it in white. I think pretty much all emeralds look good in yellow gold, while only the finest (clean, pure color) look good in white gold, so you have your work cut out for you.

I would either get a chatham emerald (synthetic) and explain chemically it is the same as a real emerald, and it will be a place holder for when you win the lottery, or hunt around and try to find an attractive emerald cabachon. Neither of them will be cheap either but better than a low quality emerald.

 

[serenitydiamonds]

Although it is stated that the stone is diffused, dyed and filled, it looks more like a synthetic to me than anything else. With a cost of barely $190, that’s practically the cost of the setting alone which means that the “emerald” is essentially worth peanuts, which makes me wonder if it’s even real. Everybody’s definition of natural differs; to me, natural means totally untreated, the way it comes out of the ground as made by Mother Nature herself, other than being dug out and faceted by humans. Is it real? Who knows…maybe. No way to be sure unless sent to a lab or highly skilled gemologist, but that will already be more than the cost of the ring itself so that is not cost efficient.

I understand that LOGR is a favourite among PSers here but only for their settings. There are doubts about their coloured gemstones. However, at least LOGR is honest enough to disclose treatment for this particular example. Resin treatment and oiling of emeralds are routine and acceptable but not diffusion and dyeing. Heavily filled stones are also frowned upon because of it’s lowered structural integrity.

What really concerned me is the treatment listing, you cannot diffuse emeralds, it's obvious that one isn't died also. Additionally, a stone with a saturated color that clean looks.... synthetic.

--Joshua

 

[serenitydiamonds]

If you go with a lighter color and clean glassy 'crystal' emerald, $260/ct is not impossible. For an ideal color, fully saturated, expect $4k/ct ++. I think emeralds look great in Platinum and white gold... but it's definitely personal choice.

--Joshua

 

[Pandora II]

I second the idea of a cab, they're beautiful.

 

[allowingtoo]

IT'S NOT REAL!! I'm an Emerald lover myself. I emailed him and asked and got an answer.

not 100% natural, treated by filling and diffusion.

I had already read through all the negative neutral feedback using Toolhaus and found one that said "The stone was not real" Hmmm.

So I used ask the buyer a question and I told her I was looking at the Emerald and she responded.

Good morning,
I also bought an emerald ring, surrounded by diamonds. Two local jewellers told me it was manmade when I went to get an Appraisal.
It was a very pretty ring, and worth what I paid for it - but I didn't want a synthetic stone.
The seller did refund my money (although initially they wanted to withold $30 for some sort of micro-mounting fee), although I lost on the shipping costs back to them & some exchange because I am Canadian, about $40 in total.
Hope that helps.

I had already Googled treated Emerald by diffusion and there wasn't much information on that for some reason. The closest I could find was that they can take a Beryl and color to an Emerald color and "call it an Emerald" after treatment. But it's not an Emerald.

That kind of made me mad when he's calling it - what was it - VVS Emerald? I don't think so.

 

[Arkteia]

Costco is full of cheap synthetic emeralds, of any possible size, and very affordable. Later they can be upgraded as long as you keep the recepits. I would not give you such an adivice if you were looking for a real emerald, but a big emerald is beyond many budgets these days.

 

[wakingdreams53]

Thank you all! I decided to kill the surprise aspect of the gift and show my mom the 1.4ct Columbian emerald that I bought.
She smiled, loved the idea, but said that I should keep it for myself. Which does make sense given that if I undergo a project and she doesn't like it due to it's small size, then it's not worth it.

HOWEVER, she has a loose deep green tourmaline that she reminded me that she has, and I'm going to transfer the project onto that. Now to find a great CS setter!

 

[ooo~Shiney!]

YAY!!!!
That's exactly what I thought you should do!!!!
You are doing well to set her Tourmaline!!!

The ring will be beautiful, and mean a lot to her too.

I also love Emeralds, actually they are my favorite stone,
but boy, they are expensive.

 

[T L]

Costco is full of cheap synthetic emeralds, of any possible size, and very affordable. Later they can be upgraded as long as you keep the recepits. I would not give you such an adivice if you were looking for a real emerald, but a big emerald is beyond many budgets these days.

I was there yesterday, and they had a synthetic emerald, and OMG, it looked identical in color to my tsavorite that I was wearing. I would have thought that my tsavorite was a synthetic emerald had it not been for the inclusions in my stone. They were that close. Both were medium dark, very saturated bluish green and sparkly. The synthetic emeralds don't have that satiny look like fine Muzo ones do.