eightstar low color

[rosy]

Hi,
I recently went to an Eightstar dealer. She showed me a 1.14 VS1 diamond K color. I had some concerns about the color being on the more yellow side but she assured me that Eightstar diamonds are cut so beautifully that color doesnt matter & that it was actually an equivalent of a higher color. Has anyone had experience with Eightstar or believe this to be true?

 

[valeria101]

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On 10/18/2004 12:46:39 AM rosy wrote:



Eightstar diamonds are cut so beautifully that color doesnt matter & that it was actually an equivalent of a higher color.
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Do they have any other diamond that is more colorless than "K" for you to compare pieces side by side?

It is often said that more brilliance blurrs the color grades - I believe this is true, for what my 0.2 is worth. The color grade describes the rough material, not the appearence of the diamond face up. So any cutting actually interfears with what tint you see - it just so happens that each cut has it's own way at it.

Why say that this one is "equivalent" to a higher color ? The diamond is what it is and you can see what it actually looks like. I seriously doubt that the premium for the branded cut is based on how many color grades the cut improves.

 

[Golden Oak]

IMO EightStar diamonds do appear to face up whiter due to the edge to edge brilliance. We have set K EightStars in 18 white gold and they look great, I have attached a picture of one that we made into a custom pendent for a client, I wish we could of picked up a 5pt eight star for the pivot point above the half bezel.

We are in the process of having a 2+ CT MNOP color EightStar cut that is going to be set in a custom rose gold ring with 2 25pt HOF G color diamonds as accents. I will see about posting a picture of it when we complete it (likely late Dec)

Here is the picture

Regards,

Brian

 

[Golden Oak]

Lets see if the attachement stuck this time

 

[Golden Oak]

How is that for hot!!

 

[kevinng]

All very well cut diamonds with excellent light return will mask the diamond's color... not just EightStars. No doubt, EightStar diamonds are cut to very high standards, and most (if not all) of them have superb light return. Since the diamond is so brilliant, it's difficult to see the slight tint of the diamond's colour.

However, that does not mean that only EightStar diamonds hide the color of diamonds. All diamonds hide the colour of the diamond to some extent when viewed from the top, due to the light return. You can get unbranded diamonds that have excellent light return as well. They will have the same colour-hiding effect.

Having said that, no matter how well the diamond is cut, you can still see its colour from the pavilion. So, if your setting exposes the pavilion, it's not advisable to get a diamond with a poor colour grade.

 

[strmrdr]

In lighting where not a lot of fire is produced it will look its color.
Next to a whiter diamond it will look its true color.
imho spend the same money and get a larger better color top h&a diamond from goodoldgold.com niceice.com whiteflash.com winkjones.com or diamondexpert.com

Or save a bunch of money for other things and get one the same size.

 

[Greentree]

Several years ago I purchased an estate diamond that had been cut wide and shallow. It clearly could benefit from a recut (it had a 69% table as I recall). I sent it out to EightStar to have it custom cut.

I had been following PriceScope for some time and read all the tutorials, etc. I was concerned about color, because, well, everybody was saying low color grades were somehow not desirable. I knew this diamond had a low color grade. The appraiser estimated it (mounted) to be about L.

After being cut into an EightStar, it was sent off to the GIA for certification. The GIA rated it O-P! I was dismayed. I sent an e-mail to Richard bemoaning how low its color grade was; there must be some mistake; should it be resubmitted?, yada, yada. Richard gave me a blunt response. He said, in essence, for me to wipe my eyes free of the prejudice and the pre-conceived notions that I had picked up on the Internet, and to instead LOOK at my diamond and decide for myself what I saw. I had to admit it was gorgeous. It was mounted in platinum (another heresy) and even today I'll catch my wife admiring it.

The tutorials and postings on PriceScope and elsewhere all provide valuable information allowing one to make an informed decision when purchasing a diamond. Nevertheless, it's a mistake to allow the opinions of others to dictate how you feel about your diamond. Whatever you do, LOOK at your diamond and decide for yourself if you like what you see. The folks posting on the Internet have no way of seeing your diamond in real life. Indeed, many of them have never personally seen a diamond below G or H or I which is what you'll typically find in a B&M store. They're just sort of parroting each other.

 

[Hest88]

The only way you can figure out if it's too yellow for you or not is to have your dealer let you see it side-by-side with one of a higher color. That shouldn't be too difficult to do. I, like everyone else, agree that a better cut really hides color--I was amazed the first time I saw it--but whether it hides it *enough* for your tastes me can't tell you.

 

[Rank Amateur]

Cut does hide color when viewed directly purpendicular to the table, but the greater the angle the more the body color is exposed.

The only thing you absolutely DON'T want to do is to buy a stone at a too high a price. It is a K and it should be priced accordingly. Also, don't get roped into buying a low-colored stone because it is all the vendor has on hand. Buy for the right reasons and you'll be happy for a long time. Buy for the wrong reasons and the vendor is the only one who's happy!

When I was looking at 8*s, it seemed that all the vendor had was lower colors. This made me somewhat suspicious and I began to wonder if the markup is higher on the lower colors.

 

[strmrdr]

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On 10/18/2004 5:48:07 PM Rank Amateur wrote:



When I was looking at 8*s, it seemed that all the vendor had was lower colors. This made me somewhat suspicious and I began to wonder if the markup is higher on the lower colors. ----------------

There business model is take the cheapest posible rough cut it very well and charge a fortune for it.
Some of the them just gross with inclusions and nasty color and cost a fortune and some people are happy to pay it.
Nice business model......
When is the last time you heard of a E/vs1 eightstar talked about here?

 

[Golden Oak]

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On 10/18/2004 5:48:07 PM Rank Amateur wrote:

Cut does hide color when viewed directly purpendicular to the table, but the greater the angle the more the body color is exposed.

The only thing you absolutely DON'T want to do is to buy a stone at a too high a price. It is a K and it should be priced accordingly. Also, don't get roped into buying a low-colored stone because it is all the vendor has on hand. Buy for the right reasons and you'll be happy for a long time. Buy for the wrong reasons and the vendor is the only one who's happy!

When I was looking at 8*s, it seemed that all the vendor had was lower colors. This made me somewhat suspicious and I began to wonder if the markup is higher on the lower colors. ----------------

I am not sure what accordingly is? I am sure they are priced accordingly to other EightStars. I can only speak for myself but my % markup does not change based on Color or Clarity, I doubt that this EightStar dealer does either. I am guessing that the reason she only has lower colors is, guess what, Diamonds are expensive and EightStar diamonds are even more expensive. There is a very limited inventory of EightStars out there and we (the dealers) have to buy them to sell them. If you want to see a higher color diamond, that dealer can call EightStar to bring one in for you, I would just ask that you be honest and serious with any Jewelers when you do that because it cost us money to ship and insure these diamonds. I don't know why you should be suspicious, lower color diamonds are less rare so they cost less, and yes there is a preimum for the value add of the EightStar cut. So for someone what wants an EightStar buying a lower color and clairity can make a lot of sence because they can get a bigger diamond and it still looks fantastic.

Regards,

Brian

 

[Golden Oak]

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On 10/18/2004 6:09:46 PM strmrdr wrote:

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On 10/18/2004 5:48:07 PM Rank Amateur wrote:



When I was looking at 8*s, it seemed that all the vendor had was lower colors. This made me somewhat suspicious and I began to wonder if the markup is higher on the lower colors. ----------------

There business model is take the cheapest posible rough cut it very well and charge a fortune for it.
Some of the them just gross with inclusions and nasty color and cost a fortune and some people are happy to pay it.
Nice business model......
When is the last time you heard of a E/vs1 eightstar talked about here?
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That is not their business model, you are just being silly. Rough is raw material, and like every cutter I am sure that they are looking for the best prices on source material. IMO EightStars value prop is their Cut, Cut Consistancy and quality service. Consistantly they produce diamonds that are steller. When I buy EightStar inventory I know exactly what I am getting and they provide great customer service. The Owner of EightStar has personaly assisted my customers find the right EightStar for them many times. While this kind of service may not be important to you it is important to my customers.

Best Regards,

Brian

 

[Hest88]

Off-topic: Hey Brian! Welcome to PS. I don't know if you remember me, but my husband and I stopped by the weekend before. You had a long conversation with him about beer and you were nice enough to let me play with your diamonds. Hope you stick around.

 

[Golden Oak]

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On 10/18/2004 7:45:44 PM Hest88 wrote:

Off-topic: Hey Brian! Welcome to PS. I don't know if you remember me, but my husband and I stopped by the weekend before. You had a long conversation with him about beer and you were nice enough to let me play with your diamonds. Hope you stick around.----------------

Yep I remember. Come by again sometime. I'll see if "they" let me stay around, I thought it would be fun to post a little vs lurking.

Regards,

Brian

 

[lawmax]

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On 10/18/2004 6:09:46 PM strmrdr wrote:

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On 10/18/2004 5:48:07 PM Rank Amateur wrote:



When I was looking at 8*s, it seemed that all the vendor had was lower colors. This made me somewhat suspicious and I began to wonder if the markup is higher on the lower colors. ----------------

There business model is take the cheapest posible rough cut it very well and charge a fortune for it.
Some of the them just gross with inclusions and nasty color and cost a fortune and some people are happy to pay it.
Nice business model......
When is the last time you heard of a E/vs1 eightstar talked about here?
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LOL!

That is retarded and yet you speak with such authority!

I am the proud owner of a 1.62 F VS1 EightStar that was bought from dealer inventory.

 

[Kaili]

Lawmax,
sounds lovely... where can I see a photo of it?? On another post?

 

[lawmax]

I wish I had a photo or a much better camera. It's in a 3 prong white gold pendant these days and just floats there looking gorgeous.

 

[strmrdr]

lol i knew that the sellers of 8* and a few of the suckers woops excuse me owners would be howling over it.

Prove it isnt the truth...
There are plenty of examples posted on ps to prove my point.
i2 garbage at extreme prices.
k-l for more than a G just as well cut elsewhere yea nice business model.

post some specs and prices and lets have a go at it :}
and yea full sarin data is reguired too.

woops I forgot thats top secret info LOL.

 

[Golden Oak]

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On 10/19/2004 1:10:11 AM strmrdr wrote:

lol i knew that the sellers of 8* and a few of the suckers woops excuse me owners would be howling over it.

Prove it isnt the truth...
There are plenty of examples posted on ps to prove my point.
i2 garbage at extreme prices.
k-l for more than a G just as well cut elsewhere yea nice business model.

post some specs and prices and lets have a go at it :}
and yea full sarin data is reguired too.

woops I forgot thats top secret info LOL.----------------

Man you have issues, not getting all the hugs you need?

If you don't see value in buying an EightStar, you don't have to buy one, I don't see why you have to be so hostile, negative and such a troll. I think we get, it you don't think an EightStar is worth it, fine they are not for everyone, and certainly not for you. As far as secrets go, I think you are confused. EightStar diamonds are art and science combined to make a truly beautiful object. You don't value a Picasso based on how much paint or paper is used, it has value because it is what it is.

Regards,

Brian

 

[strmrdr]

hostile,- naw just a little grouchy :}
negative - I call it the way I see it...
troll - hey trolls are cute and cuddly :} but sorry im not one if you want a 8* mutual admiration thread then start one but when someone asks a question about a product they have the need to hear both sides of the story.
In my usual flamboyant style I presented it :}


I did go overboard callin 8* owners suckers and they have my apology and my sympathy.

Lawmax - ok so they do produce a few higher end stones what you pay for it? D IF prices?

 

[rosy]

Hi,
Just for everyones info. The salesperson at the jewelry store told me that the K color 1.14 Eightstar was selling for $12,900.00. She later called me over the weekend to say that they were willing to lower the price to $9500.00. The only thing stopping me is the K color & it's a little smaller than what I wanted to purchase. Any thoughts on the price for this diamond?

 

[Dancing Fire]

i can tell you my sister in law paid $5800 for a I vvs1 1.18ct 8* about 5 yrs ago.i'am sure its alot higher now.

 

[lawmax]

strmdr...whatever you do, don't say anything positive about EightStar...EVER!!! LOL

It would ruin your perfect, petty grouchiness. You're like the fun Oscar the Grouch of PriceScope. Keep it up!

Not to worry...there aren't enough EightStars for those who don't appreciate them. I have no issue with what I paid for my EightStar and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. I wouldn't settle for anything other because if I did, I'd always know that I'd settled. I much prefer my 1.62 EightStar over the 2 carat hearts and arrows I started out to buy because I was all about price. In fact, now, I like the lower color EightStars so much (there's something about the dispersion) that I am considering selling my diamond and going for a larger EightStar in a lower color.

Years later, I still enjoy my EightStar and know the intrinsic and extrinsic value of what I'm wearing. It is art and it is rare and special and incredibly beautiful and I treasure it. Nothing you or anyone else could say could ever change that.

 

[lindsal]

I've got an .94 F VS1 8* and love it. I paid exactly what my budget for a stone was, and when it came down to decision time it was this 8* vs. another F 1.26 VVS2 that i loved. I picked the 8*.

Listen, STRMDR, I can understand you think I am a fool for paying am extra % for the name 8* when I could have had a larger diamond, (or if I have dropped my color senstivity I could have had an even larger diamond). But the fact of the matter is this... it's THIS stone that spoke to me.

Who cares if none of my friends knows what an 8* is, I certainly don't explain it to them more then once, and only if they ask. I don't carry an ideal scope or loupe around, (in fact I don't even own them). I just know that my stone SPARKLES and SHINES like a frickin' disco ball in just about any light and that when I see those rainbows dancing around, the corners of my mouth turn up and I smile.

I think it's just silly to cast aspersions towards 8* or any other branded stones. There is something out there for everyone, great branded & non-branded H&A's, great nearly H&A stones, and there are a lot of pieces of "so called crap" on the HCA or AGA charts. Some people, I think most people buy a stone simply because they LIKED THAT STONE.

 

[StevL]

I was an 8* dealer for several years and I had no problem buying higher color stones from 8*. They do have them and they will cut one if needed. The markup is the same for the K color or a E or F color. Many jewelers may elect to carry certain qualities based on what their clients choose to buy more often.

 

[strmrdr]

lindsal,
No I dont think your a fool.
If its the right diamond for you and you love it then congrats!

But when someone is considering one they need to do so eyes wide open.
There are other options the new line aca and some of GOG's diamonds have the same style cheated girdle that 8* has and the same type of flashes for a lot less money.
Until proven otherwise in my opinion they are just as well cut.
Sometimes my posting style gets in the way of what im trying to say and this is one of those times.
My point is that the person that started this thread needs information about whats availalbe, what 8* means and doesnt mean, what are some other options, and how the low color will affect the looks of the diamond.
I think we can agree with that?

 

[strmrdr]

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On 10/19/2004 11:38:32 AM StevL wrote:

I was an 8* dealer for several years and I had no problem buying higher color stones from 8*. They do have them and they will cut one if needed. The markup is the same for the K color or a E or F color. Many jewelers may elect to carry certain qualities based on what their clients choose to buy more often.----------------

I base my comments on real world examples posted on PS they may be available but some of the dealers sure are pushing the low end stuff hard.
Read the first post,
A dealer is trying to sell someone on a very low color diamond just because its an 8* would this person be pushing that low of color in anything else? not likely.
Im starting to have a real problem with the entire it looks like a higher color sales pitch accross the board not just with 8*.

 

[Hest88]

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On 10/19/2004 11:43:58 AM strmrdr wrote:

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Im starting to have a real problem with the entire it looks like a higher color sales pitch accross the board not just with 8*.
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Actually, Strmrdr, the higher vs. lower color isn't a "sales pitch." Let's put aside the Eight* issue altogether. I think of the color thing in the same light as the clarity issue. A better cut RB faces up whiter, just as a better cut RB hides inclusions better. It's just a matter of optics. I've seen high-color superideals next to lower color ones and it really is amazing. There is so much brilliance and scintillation and fire that it's much harder to see the yellow. If a consumer, on a tight budget, wants the prettiest stone he can get, steering him toward a lower color just means he can maximize his dollars while still getting a stone that will wow his GF. There's nothing wrong with that, is there?

 

[pricescope]

I'm sorry, guys, but this thread will be closed.

1. Dealers or anyone else associated with any product should not promote their products in any way and have proper disclosure about their associations.

2. let's not get personal.