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I know, eBay is a no-no. But, I bought one before I found this site. I bought a 1.0 CT Opal - J VS1. The ring arrived as promised, and it was as it said. I paid $1500 for it in a 14k white gold setting. I took it to a gemologist for an appraisal, and it checked out, even thought it had a "cert" from IGL. IGL is simply an appraisal service which appraises the diamond while still mounted.

The diamond does have a really nice cut. But, it just comes off as kind of dull. It does not have much fire. But, I have yet to see an oval with much fire. Most seem to have a bow tie effect.

The seller is willing to take the diamond back and refund the full amount, and I have no problem with that. He is also willing to sell me a better diamond for slightly more. I do not have the details on an upgrade.

What do you all think of this. Please be gentle. Thank you.
 
I think, if the seller is truly willing to take it back, and does so, you are a lucky duck.

Then buy something from someone reptuable, that can find you a great Oval, they are out there!
 
If the oval is dull without much fire, then the cut is BAD. Due to the nature of the oval cut, most good and badly cut ovals will have the bowtie effect. You just have to search harder to find one without the bowtie. It can be done, but the search will take longer.

What is your budget for the stone? Perhaps, we can help steer you in the correct direction.
 
How long of a refund period did the seller give you?

Honestly, in your position and now that you have more information at your hand (as in you can research here on PS), I would accept the refund the seller has provided you and then take my money and hunt around for another stone. However, maybe if the seller can give you the details regarding the second stone, you can post the numbers here and see what all the oval-cut experts say. Can the seller include a picture or two? The price on the first stone is VERY LOW. . .I''d be suspicious of that! Of course, I''m suspicious of everything relating to eBay! lol
 
Not to sound too cheap, but I was trying to stay under $3000.
 
A well cut oval can be a brilliant fireball, so I would get your money back and start again.
 
Date: 7/30/2007 12:20:46 PM
Author: Chrono
If the oval is dull without much fire, then the cut is BAD. Due to the nature of the oval cut, most good and badly cut ovals will have the bowtie effect. You just have to search harder to find one without the bowtie. It can be done, but the search will take longer.
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Sorry, but I agree with Chrono. A truly well cut oval will have a LOT of fire and scintillation and look fantastic. I have seen a few of them myself. Regardless of what the seller says the cut is like, sounds like it''s bad. I would return personally!
 
Thanks, those all look good. Is there much descernable difference between a .92 and a 1.00 CT to the eye?
 
Date: 7/30/2007 12:42:32 PM
Author: tada
Thanks, those all look good. Is there much descernable difference between a .92 and a 1.00 CT to the eye?
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Not a ton, especially with ovals because people aren''t used to seeing them, PLUS ovals "face up" bigger than almost any other shape so it''ll look pretty big.
 
Date: 7/30/2007 12:42:32 PM
Author: tada
Thanks, those all look good. Is there much descernable difference between a .92 and a 1.00 CT to the eye?
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Nope, not much! With a $3K budget, you''re going to have to cut corners in one of the 4 C''s and it''d be best to go down a bit in size to get a better cut stone (IMO).
 
Date: 7/30/2007 12:44:40 PM
Author: neatfreak

Date: 7/30/2007 12:42:32 PM
Author: tada
Thanks, those all look good. Is there much descernable difference between a .92 and a 1.00 CT to the eye?
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Not a ton, especially with ovals because people aren''t used to seeing them, PLUS ovals ''face up'' bigger than almost any other shape so it''ll look pretty big.
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Plus, every stone will look bigger after it''s set.
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It depends on the cut proportion - a diamond which is cut too deep with a thick girdle may look smaller than one with a better cut of a similar weight, you need to look at the diameter measurements and the proportions individually to make sure a diamond faces up as it should sizewise. Conversely, a diamond which is more shallow may look large for it''s weight, also length to width ratios can play a part, a longer shaped oval may look larger than a shorter, fatter one. But assuming the cuts and proportions are similar, the 2 weights you mention may look the same size.
 
Date: 7/30/2007 12:47:55 PM
Author: Lorelei
It depends on the cut proportion - a diamond which is cut too deep with a thick girdle may look smaller than one with a better cut of a similar weight, you need to look at the diameter measurements and the proportions individually to make sure a diamond faces up as it should sizewise. Conversely, a diamond which is more shallow may look large for it''s weight, also length to width ratios can play a part, a longer shaped oval may look larger than a shorter, fatter one. But assuming the cuts and proportions are similar, the 2 weights you mention may look the same size.
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And shallow are said to show less bow tie.
 
Return it!!! You can get a very lovely and firey stone from a trusted vendor like the ones suggested.
 
I just wanted to follow up on this story. I contacted the seller and told him I wanted to return the diamond. He asked why, and I told him that because of the color, there was very little sparkle to the diamond. He told me for another $1000, he would send me a 1.0 ct. H/VS2 diamond in a 14k setting. I played along. He paid for shipping both ways.

Last Thursday, I recieved the new ring with another 7 day return period. This one looked much better. It showed very clear and had a lot of brilliance and fire. I thought this might be the one. I arranged to have it appraised here in Scottsdale, AZ with a GG (GIA) who is recommended on this website.

He did a thorough appraisal. Very friendly man, told me a lot about the diamond business. He mapped it also.

Well, it came out an H-I color (he couldn''t be totally certain while mounted) with an I1 clarity grade. He said it was a very good cut, the symmetry was good, and the polish was very good. He put an insurance estimated retail value of $4650. I asked him if he liked the stone, and he said it was nice. He just doesn''t like I1s and lower because they could break if struck hard. But, he said it was a good value. He did point out that the diamond was mounted slightly crooked.

I showed him a WGL (yeah right) certificate (actually a bad appraisal) written in Israel that graded it as H/VS2. He recommended returning it only because it was misrepresented, not because of the price.

I contacted the seller. He admitted this was old inventory that he was trying to get rid of. He offered to refund $1000 and let me keep the ring for $1500. What do you think?
 
Date: 8/5/2007 5:39:03 PM
Author: tada
I contacted the seller. He admitted this was old inventory that he was trying to get rid of. He offered to refund $1000 and let me keep the ring for $1500. What do you think?
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To quote a posters sig here: A deal is only a deal if you are getting exactly what you want.
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Date: 8/5/2007 5:39:03 PM
Author: tada
I just wanted to follow up on this story. I contacted the seller and told him I wanted to return the diamond. He asked why, and I told him that because of the color, there was very little sparkle to the diamond. He told me for another $1000, he would send me a 1.0 ct. H/VS2 diamond in a 14k setting. I played along. He paid for shipping both ways.

Last Thursday, I recieved the new ring with another 7 day return period. This one looked much better. It showed very clear and had a lot of brilliance and fire. I thought this might be the one. I arranged to have it appraised here in Scottsdale, AZ with a GG (GIA) who is recommended on this website.

He did a thorough appraisal. Very friendly man, told me a lot about the diamond business. He mapped it also.

Well, it came out an H-I color (he couldn't be totally certain while mounted) with an I1 clarity grade. He said it was a very good cut, the symmetry was good, and the polish was very good. He put an insurance estimated retail value of $4650. I asked him if he liked the stone, and he said it was nice. He just doesn't like I1s and lower because they could break if struck hard. But, he said it was a good value. He did point out that the diamond was mounted slightly crooked.

I showed him a WGL (yeah right) certificate (actually a bad appraisal) written in Israel that graded it as H/VS2. He recommended returning it only because it was misrepresented, not because of the price.

I contacted the seller. He admitted this was old inventory that he was trying to get rid of. He offered to refund $1000 and let me keep the ring for $1500. What do you think?
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Personally if you like the ring and think it is a good value (which it seems to be) I'd take it. You are not going to wear the certificate, you are wearing the diamond. If the certificate bothers you that much you can send it off to a better lab and get it re-done. Otherwise you are not buying this ring for an investment, it is a piece of jewelry for you to enjoy. You have done your due diligence and gotten an independent appraisal and he said the stone was a good value even at $2500. He just objected on principle, but it is your money. If he wants to pay more for a similar stone he certainly can. Why should you?
 
Date: 8/5/2007 5:54:47 PM
Author: Ellen
Date: 8/5/2007 5:39:03 PM

Author: tada

I contacted the seller. He admitted this was old inventory that he was trying to get rid of. He offered to refund $1000 and let me keep the ring for $1500. What do you think?
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To quote a posters sig here: A deal is only a deal if you are getting exactly what you want.
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YUP.
 
This guy doesn''t sound honest at all...trying to get rid of stuff that''s old? Yikes.

Return it.
 
It looks like most of you say return it. I have checked all of the reputable online vendors, and no one has a stone and setting for this price. I was willing to take a chance on the first ring, and the second one now is the same price. I know this is not what I had originally wanted, but it is a good price. We are not really hung up on the rating, as you can see from the first ring sent, and this is a better ring than the first. I shows well, has good fire in daylight and incandescent light, and good brilliance. I am very tempted to just keep it and get the stone mounted correctly in the setting.
 
Are the inclusions visible? I''m guessing yes, since it was graded an I1. If so, does that bother you? I know that visible inclusions would bother me a lot.

I don''t know, you seem to have your mind made up to keep the diamond, but I personally would be very hesitant to keep a diamond from a dishonest eBay seller when I could get a well cut one from a reputable vendor. When you''re spending that much money, you should make sure you''re getting what you pay for.
 
HI:

Should you decide to keep this ring, please insure it--and before it''s remounted.
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cheers--Sharon
 
I really can't see the inclusions, but I don't have the greatest eye. The appraiser showed me the map and let me see it through a 10x scope because I could not see them. It has some little needles (he counted 20) and two feathers. The needles are clumped in one area, and the feathers are under the facets. Even with the scope, i could only pick out a few of the needles. I have the map and I have looked and looked at it with my naked eye in every light possible, and I can't see them. I feel blind.
 
Would you be willing to go down in size to get a certified stone? I (personally) would return the stone rather than do business with a person like that. What a jerk that guy is to try and send you a second stone that also doesn''t live up to his description!
 
I have thought about going down to a .90 ct. I have priced them, but a certed diamond of I or better color and SI2 or better clarity still runs over $2600. I really don''t want to go down in carat weight more than that.

I found a ring at BN that was really nice. Yes, I checked WF and GOG and found no better for the price. And I was prepared to buy it on Monday after I sent the ring back. But when he came back to me with the low offer, I am seriously considering keeping it and using the extra money for a few other things.
 
Well, you seem happy with it and the appraiser thought it was a good value before the $1000 discount. It may not be the best cut stone out there, but that''s not necessary to everyone and least you paid accordingly for what you got. I think if you''re happy with it, keep it.
 
who was the ebay seller?
 
The ebay seller goes by 47thStreetKings. The phone number and links from eBay take you to a sight called DiamondSellers.com
 
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