Does this Diamond Pass the Test?

[ChrisB703]

Hello Everyone!

What are your thoughts on this particular diamond:
1.41 cts
IGI cert: Ex,Ex,Ex, H/SI2 (was told it's eye clean)
Crown Angle: 34.9
Pavilion Angle: 40.8
Table: 59 %
Depth: 60.4 %

https://www.pricescope.com/tools/hca 1.9 score

GemEX video:
http://livereport.gemex.com/
GemEx ID: MA1-0100742

 

[metall]

I'm no expert but, as it is not a GIA or AGS certed stone, I wouldn't risk it.

 

[ChrisB703]

Thanks for the response! Although not a reputable cert, I'm going off of cut specs/hca/gemEx/etc. I feel like it might be worth checking out...especially for the price

 

[ratatat]

I wouldn’t. It’s hard to tell these things on photos but it looks cloudy and more tinted than H colour. It’s pribsbly a “good” price because the specs are lower than what they appear. You get what you pay for. I’d keep looking

 

[ringo865]

Looks cloudy, but hard to say from one photo. What's your budget? Do you want help?

 

[ChrisB703]

Thanks for the replies!

Was anyone able to look at the GemX video? I imagine regardless of the type of certification that is an important tool/stat to look at when determining brilliance fire/ice. Also, although not GIA cert it looks like the dimensions are a 1.8 on the HCA scale.

I would put it in a halo ring, would that affect anything?

Thoughts? Thanks!!

 

[Dancing Fire]

Thanks for the response! Although not a reputable cert, I'm going off of cut specs/hca/gemEx/etc. I feel like it might be worth checking out...especially for the price

How cheap?..

 

[ChrisB703]

Around 5K...still negotiating

 

[Dancing Fire]

Around 5K...still negotiating

Too high for a IGI stone

 

[whitewave]

The video won't load for me.

HCA is an exclusion tool, not an inclusion tool. I wouldn't buy this one sorry

 

[whitewave]

Too high for a IGI stone

Keep looking!!!!!

 

[SimoneDi]

I saw the video, it’s not a great video - exaggerated lighting conditions, no profile view, etc. but honestly if the stone does not have GIA/AGS, I would never spend 5k on it. I even own a couple of IGI stones which were purchased from a reputable retailer and which were much cheaper than 5k, but I would still recommend only selecting GIA/AGS stones. Keep looking.

 

[rockysalamander]

Nope. Keep looking. ITs $2k less than comps for a reason....

 

[ChrisB703]

He went down to $4500 with 14k white gold solitaire setting. I guess if it seems too good to be true it prob is...although part of me wants to go look lol

 

[whitewave]

He went down to $4500 with 14k white gold solitaire setting. I guess if it seems too good to be true it prob is...although part of me wants to go look lol

Make him get it certified. Why would he not? Think about it.

 

[rockysalamander]

Make him get it certified. Why would he not? Think about it.

Exactly. Agree that you will be $5500 if he sends to GIA and it comes back with the same grading and you will pay for the grading by GIA. If it comes back graded lower, he pays for the GIA grading and you get to walk away from the sale and get a full refund. Get that deal in writing and with a signature.

 

[ChrisB703]

Great ideas!! You guys/gals are the best

 

[Dancing Fire]

Exactly. Agree that you will be $5500 if he sends to GIA and it comes back with the same grading and you will pay for the grading by GIA. If it comes back graded lower, he pays for the GIA grading and you get to walk away from the sale and get a full refund. Get that deal in writing and with a signature.

He would be foolish to take that offer...

 

[lalala]

No! Please, no! See above.

 

[rockysalamander]

He would be foolish to take that offer...

Agreed. I was being sarcastic. I really don't think this diamond is worth pursuing. Like said above and from several posters, the diamond shows a lot of leakage. To be dissuaded from this opinion, we would need an Idealscope image (ASET is better) and H&A image to look at symmetry.

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...i-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3553379 {primary inclusion at 10'oclock at edge of the table. Otherwise, nice balance of crown and pavilion angles.}

For a $5500 budget, I'd rather see you look at stones like these.
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...g-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3595202 {inclusion on the girdle would be partly covered by a prong, but not entirely. Gemologist needs to review clouds to be sure they are not impacting light return.}

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...e-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3726496 (really nice E color. One black inclusion should be fully covered by a prong. Strong blue flour, just need confirmation it is not impacting light return}

https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...rat-i-color-vs2-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-2336274 {great numbers, great IS showing light return. Clarity lovely}

 

[ChrisB703]

I appreciate the honest feedback from all, as well as the suggestions on a better diamond. Thanks again for helping a first-timer with a tough decision!

 

[ChrisB703]

For my education what part of the photo “shows leakage”? Is it the black areas towards the center of the gemex image? Thanks!!

 

[rockysalamander]

I appreciate the honest feedback from all, as well as the suggestions on a better diamond. Thanks again for helping a first-timer with a tough decision!

We are happy to help. If you decide to pursue any of the JA stones, put them on hold (free). Then, request an IS images and post them here. JA will let you request up to 3 IS images per email and we can have a look with you.

 

[ChrisB703]

How about this one: https://www.b2cjewels.com/dd/10766272/1-04-carat-round-diamond-h-color-si2-clarity

 

[rockysalamander]

The ED stone you selected has good angles. But, I would highly doubt it will be eyeclean. The inclusions in yellow are black and many are right against the table. The red area is showing that those inclusions are reflecting and thus visible from more angles. The inclusions are dispersed over too large an area and too "deep" in the crown to be covered by a prong. Hard no for me.



Did you look at the stones I posted above?

These are measurements to help you stay in ideal cut territory with a GIA excellent cut stone.
table: 54-57.5 (I prefer 57 and under)
depth: 60-62.3 (consider 59.5)
crown angle: 34-35.0 (up to 35.5 crown angle if 40.6 pav angle)
pavilion angle: 40.6-40.9 (41.0 if the crown angle is close to 34)