Does anyone dislike this 2ct round diamond?

[jimyhoff]

Carryover of another longer thread but I've narrowed my purchase down to a single diamond (for now) that I have on hold. My goal was to buy the nicest 2ct GIA that I could find for $20,000 (or less). If this diamond was being given to you would you be pleased or should I consider something else? The only thing nagging at me is the I color, but most seem to think that's acceptable and will look white?

Price is $17,370. I'm going to be in NYC for meetings Monday and have the morning to kill. Not sure if there are better deals to be found in the diamond district.

Thanks very much in advance! This forum has been great!

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/2.09-carat-i-color-si1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-248746

 

[Sakuracherry]

Do you like the 60/60 type diamond?

 

[jimyhoff]

60/60 type diamond? I don't know what that means.

 

[Sakuracherry]

https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/60-60-proportioned-diamond

Do a search on pricescope. There are many threads with discussions about this topic. The 60/60 type diamond tends to be bright and have more white color return, while the typical ideal cut stone exhibits more fire. I've seen a 60/60 (AGS 0) in person and thought it was pretty. I guess it comes down to your personal preference.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I think that diamond is fine, but I do prefer a small table than 59. But you may not even notice the difference. If your budget is up to $20k, I would go with I VS2. At the very least, pick three stones for James Allen to do the idealcope images.

You can also call James Allen and see if they will let you come see any of the stones since they have a location in NYC. Not sure they will let you do that, but it won't hurt to ask.

 

[Sakuracherry]

Can you call Yekutiel at IDJ and see if he can call in and price match this stones for you?

http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-2-carat-ideal-cut-i-color-vs2-clarity_LD03863937?click_id=13991461

 

[jimyhoff]

Do you like the 60/60 type diamond?

Great, now I don't know. It seemed like a nice diamond for a good price that looks like it would be eye clear and appears on the whiter side of the I's I've compared it against. When I look at this 59 table side-by-side with a 56 I see the difference, but it's something I would have never noticed had it not been pointed out. It is GIA EX and gets a HCA 1.4. And it looks big for the price.

As to the jump to VS2, I'm not sure I see the benefit unless the SI1 isn't eye clean. It's difficult to tell without seeing it. I would think I'd be better to upgrade the color, but I'm far from being an expert.

 

[Sakuracherry]

There's nothing wrong with an eye clean SI1. This is an H/SI1 that's cut a little deep. There's a good chance of it being eye clean since the main inclusion is twinning wisps. I can't find any good H/SI1 around 2ct on James Allen.

http://www.bluenile.com/diamond-details/LD03863935?click_id=735758799


Since this one faces up small, I much prefer the one I posted earlier in the thread.

 

[gobble]

Can you call Yekutiel at IDJ and see if he can call in and price match this stones for you?

http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-2-carat-ideal-cut-i-color-vs2-clarity_LD03863937?click_id=13991461

I might try and go see this guy on Monday morning if that's possible. Maybe bring the cert on the diamond I have held and see if he can beat it?

 

[baby monster]

If you have a morning to kill in NYC, go over to IDJ and see what they can show you. They definitely can call in some stones for you in 20K price range.

I found this in their online inventory http://idjewelryonline.com/diamond_more1.php?id=16978170... 17.7K for 2.14 I SI.2 Under 2 on HCA plus faint flour but need to see if it's eye-clean.

 

[gobble]

If you have a morning to kill in NYC, go over to IDJ and see what they can show you. They definitely can call in some stones for you in 20K price range.

I found this in their online inventory http://idjewelryonline.com/diamond_more1.php?id=16978170..... 17.7K for 2.14 I SI.2 Under 2 on HCA plus faint flour but need to see if it's eye-clean.

Thanks, I'll try and find them. The stories I've read on this site about the diamond district are a bit intimidating, but maybe ok if I go to a reputable store. The link you posted says no longer for sale.

 

[Sakuracherry]

I think Yekutiel checks his email on Sunday, so email him now and let him know you're coming tomorrow. Make sure that you mention you're a PSer and forward the blue nile stone link.

 

[baby monster]

If you have a morning to kill in NYC, go over to IDJ and see what they can show you. They definitely can call in some stones for you in 20K price range.

I found this in their online inventory http://idjewelryonline.com/diamond_more1.php?id=16978170....... 17.7K for 2.14 I SI.2 Under 2 on HCA plus faint flour but need to see if it's eye-clean.

Thanks, I'll try and find them. The stories of read on this site about the diamond district are a bit intimidating, but maybe ok if I go to a reputable store. The link you posted says no longer for sale.

Looks like the link got broken. Let try again http://idjewelryonline.com/diamond_more1.php?id=16978170

Diamond district can be scary but IDJ is a recommended vendor. I purchased few things from them and think they're great to do business with.

 

[Tekate]

I like how you can make the stone smaller now! I think the stone is lovely.

 

[Tourmaline]

I think you have a very nice budget and it's a shame to go to SI rather than VS. I would not be happy with an SI diamond.

 

[Gypsy]

Eyeclean SI1 diamonds are great. I wouldn't pay for more clarity than that in a round, personally. I mean, if I got a GREAT price on an VS2 MAYBE. But as a general rule, in modern round brilliants I think anything over Si1 and VS2 to be a complete and utter waste of money. And again, VS2 ONLY if it is barely more than an SI would cost.

 

[heididdl]

Do you like the 60/60 type diamond?

Great, now I don't know. It seemed like a nice diamond for a good price that looks like it would be eye clear and appears on the whiter side of the I's I've compared it against. When I look at this 59 table side-by-side with a 56 I see the difference, but it's something I would have never noticed had it not been pointed out. It is GIA EX and gets a HCA 1.4. And it looks big for the price.

As to the jump to VS2, I'm not sure I see the benefit unless the SI1 isn't eye clean. It's difficult to tell without seeing it. I would think I'd be better to upgrade the color, but I'm far from being an expert.

In ideal cut stone which shows the best of a stone has a table under 60 as DS suggested. So you asked if I would be happy with this diamond my answer would be no

I am more interested in the cut then the I color of if it were an eye clean si1...I wear a GIA H color si1 but mine is EC which is different than RB when it comes to cut ...But if I had RB I would want a GIA 3x or AGS 000 witth ideal specs

 

[heididdl]

If you have a morning to kill in NYC, go over to IDJ and see what they can show you. They definitely can call in some stones for you in 20K price range.

I found this in their online inventory http://idjewelryonline.com/diamond_more1.php?id=16978170...... 17.7K for 2.14 I SI.2 Under 2 on HCA plus faint flour but need to see if it's eye-clean.

Thanks, I'll try and find them. The stories I've read on this site about the diamond district are a bit intimidating, but maybe ok if I go to a reputable store. The link you posted says no longer for sale.

IDJ and also ERD (are within half a block from one another) On Long ISalnd you will find Good old Guys.. Although ERD does more custome settings they have diamonds as well I was there two weeks ago.

 

[heididdl]

I think you have a very nice budget and it's a shame to go to SI rather than VS. I would not be happy with an SI diamond.

personal choice my Si1 is so eye clean you have to hunt for the inclusion so I wouldn't rule anything out especially when you have that budget and want an over 2 carat stone.

 

[Tourmaline]

I can see inclusions in VS2 and below without effort in all stones I have looked at (and I've done plenty of in-person diamond shopping in my lifetime) and some in VS1 stones, too. So, for me, below VS1 would definitely bother me. But I realize that the prevailing priorities here on PS are different. Maybe my absurdly acute eyesight also compensates for a less than ideal cut. Interesting!

 

[msop04]

I can see inclusions in VS2 and below without effort in all stones I have looked at (and I've done plenty of in-person diamond shopping in my lifetime) and some in VS1 stones, too. So, for me, below VS1 would definitely bother me. But I realize that the prevailing priorities here on PS are different. Maybe my absurdly acute eyesight also compensates for a less than ideal cut. Interesting!

...maybe so! Only on few occasions have I seen a VS2 that wasn't eye-clean -- not saying they aren't out there, because they definitely are. I agree with the other poster that an eye-clean SI1 is just like an eye-clean VS1 for all intents and purposes... it's eye-clean, after all. I just can't justify spending more (in this case A LOT more) for something my eye can't see or appreciate. If it's eye-clean, it's good with me -- SI2 and eye-clean -- even better!!!

 

[msop04]

Do you like the 60/60 type diamond?

Great, now I don't know. It seemed like a nice diamond for a good price that looks like it would be eye clear and appears on the whiter side of the I's I've compared it against. When I look at this 59 table side-by-side with a 56 I see the difference, but it's something I would have never noticed had it not been pointed out. It is GIA EX and gets a HCA 1.4. And it looks big for the price.

As to the jump to VS2, I'm not sure I see the benefit unless the SI1 isn't eye clean. It's difficult to tell without seeing it. I would think I'd be better to upgrade the color, but I'm far from being an expert.

It is a very nice diamond. 60/60 is just a preference. I have one and love it. It does seem to give off more white light (which is good, since I have a larger J stone)... I don't see the benefit of VS2 when you have found an eye-clean SI1.

 

[msop04]

I think you have a very nice budget and it's a shame to go to SI rather than VS. I would not be happy with an SI diamond.

personal choice my Si1 is so eye clean you have to hunt for the inclusion so I wouldn't rule anything out especially when you have that budget and want an over 2 carat stone.

I feel the same way, heididdl... I must be blind, bc I couldn't find the inclusion on my SI1 either -- I was told it was white and near the edge... Obviously, I know it's there, but the fact that I saved thousands by going SI totally erases it from my mind too! Out of sight, out of mind -- literally!

 

[lovebug1031]

If you have a morning to kill in NYC, go over to IDJ and see what they can show you. They definitely can call in some stones for you in 20K price range.

I found this in their online inventory http://idjewelryonline.com/diamond_more1.php?id=16978170....... 17.7K for 2.14 I SI.2 Under 2 on HCA plus faint flour but need to see if it's eye-clean.

Thanks, I'll try and find them. The stories I've read on this site about the diamond district are a bit intimidating, but maybe ok if I go to a reputable store. The link you posted says no longer for sale.

IDJ and also ERD (are within half a block from one another) On Long ISalnd you will find Good old Guys.. Although ERD does more custome settings they have diamonds as well I was there two weeks ago.

Good Old Gold - they are awesome! I'd check them out if you're not stuck on a modern round brilliant!

 

[Tourmaline]

I agree with the other poster that an eye-clean SI1 is just like an eye-clean VS1 for all intents and purposes... it's eye-clean, after all.

I think eye clean to most people isn't the same as eye clean to me, and stones that I've seen that are under VS1 haven't been eye clean to me. But I am (admittedly) a freak of nature in the eye sight department, so I shouldn't even weigh in on this topic. I knit sweaters that fit on pencils for fun (seriously).