Do you still send holiday cards?

[kenny]

I'm talking about physical actual cards send in the mail - not anything electronic.

EDIT: IOW, if you do anything electronic you must vote NO.

 

[ame]

NOPE. I did it when we moved into this house, just for address change purposes, but I am not a christmassy rah rah person so its just not something I am into.

 

[Rhea]

I most certainly do! Not a ton and mostly to family. I just received the pack of 25 cards I ordered off of etsy this week. I keep them simple and wintery, not to Christmas-y. I have several aunts & uncles, and grandparents who don't do email. It feels nice to receive post and I love knowing that they hang them up around their house as decorations. I've provided a bit of holiday cheer in such an easy way - a short message and the price of a stamp.

 

[ImperfectGirl]

Yes, we do! I only send about 25 or so to family and a few friends. I only have one friend who send us a card and I always enjoy getting it so I'll keep sending them.

 

[MichelleCarmen]

I send out cards every year but not as many as I use to. Many people I know quit sending them and I have a short list of those who have always sent cards and I'm just going to mail out to those people. I may make cards instead of buying them, too, so that will take more time!

 

[zoebartlett]

I'm pretty bad at sending cards for anything, whether it's someone's birthday or Christmas time. I prefer calling people instead. I try to make the rounds and call my really close friends on Christmas.

 

[Iowa Lizzy]

Yep! I use Shutterfly and put a picture of DH and I on them. I only send 25-30 of them. I like pictures of people at the holidays. Also, I love receiving holiday cards and the best way to get on someone's outgoing list is to send them one yourself!

My mother sends these long xmas letters in a Dave Barry-esque tone. I used to think they were okay and now I realize she just criticizes our life choices and makes it sound funny. I remember when I graduated from college and she wrote that I had a liberal arts degree and that somehow meant I must not actually want a job. She makes fun of my dad and sisters and then talks about how hard it is to be her, blah blah blah. She recently called me and asked me to remind her what my goals are for my upcoming 30th birthday. When I reminded her that one of them was to learn to make balloon animals she said "oooh, would you mind if I included that in my xmas letter this year?" *sigh*

 

[monarch64]

Yes! I really enjoy sending out holiday greeting cards around the 1st of December. Even more, I like to receive them! There is just something so nice about getting the mail (which is usually a task I only look forward to when I've ordered something that's arriving via USPS) and opening greeting cards from people who care enough to have taken the time to send them. It's just one of those old-fashioned things I would hate to ever see fully go away.

 

[Maisie]

I send Christmas cards. We don't call it 'the holidays' here.

 

[Skippy123]

Yes! I really enjoy sending out holiday greeting cards around the 1st of December. Even more, I like to receive them! There is just something so nice about getting the mail (which is usually a task I only look forward to when I've ordered something that's arriving via USPS) and opening greeting cards from people who care enough to have taken the time to send them. It's just one of those old-fashioned things I would hate to ever see fully go away.

THIS

 

[kenny]

I send Christmas cards. We don't call it 'the holidays' here.

Yes people vary.
But I used the term Holiday Card because Pricescope reaches the world, not just your "here".
The term Christmas Card is indeed one sub-set of the term Holiday Card . . . but only one.

Language and word choice are powerful things.
Think of the misogynist term, history - as in only the men were important.

Not everyone is a Christian.
Using "Holiday card" is inclusive of everyone, including Christians.
Using "Christmas card" diminishes everyone else.
It also sends a subliminal but powerful message that everyone ought to be a Christian, which is as problematic as everyone ought to be Muslim, or atheist.

I'd rather use language that respects everyone equally.
I'm sad that this makes a lot of people sad.
I think in 50 years it will make fewer people sad as we develop into a more diversity-respecting culture.

 

[amc80]

Using "Christmas card" diminishes everyone else.
It also sends a subliminal but powerful message that everyone ought to be a Christian, which is as problematic as everyone ought to be Muslim, or atheist.

If I were Jewish and somebody asked me if I sent out Christmas cards, how is that diminishing or offending me? I would just respond "no, but I send out Hanukkah cards." In know way would it make me feel like that person thought I should be Christian.

 

[kenny]

Using "Christmas card" diminishes everyone else.
It also sends a subliminal but powerful message that everyone ought to be a Christian, which is as problematic as everyone ought to be Muslim, or atheist.

If I were Jewish and somebody asked me if I sent out Christmas cards, how is that diminishing or offending me? I would just respond "no, but I send out Hanukkah cards." In know way would it make me feel like that person thought I should be Christian.

Gotcha.
"Holiday Card" has you covered in every situation.

Inclusion is better than exclusion.

If I was a Jew in temple speaking to fellow Jews I'd use the term Chanukah cards, if I were a Christian in church speaking to fellow Christians I'd use the term Christmas cards if I were speaking in a place I reach everyone (like Pricescope) I'd use a term that is as inclusive and respectful as possible, Holiday card.

 

[amc80]

Using "Christmas card" diminishes everyone else.
It also sends a subliminal but powerful message that everyone ought to be a Christian, which is as problematic as everyone ought to be Muslim, or atheist.

If I were Jewish and somebody asked me if I sent out Christmas cards, how is that diminishing or offending me? I would just respond "no, but I send out Hanukkah cards." In know way would it make me feel like that person thought I should be Christian.

Gotcha.
"Holiday Card" has you covered in every situation.

Inclusion is better than exclusion.

I guess my point is why do we have to be inclusive? If I ask someone if they send out Christmas cards, they can say "Yes, I do," or they can say "no, I send out [fill in the blank] cards." It's not offensive, it's a request for information. I think if anything's offensive it's deminishing the fact that Christmas is a Christian holiday. If someone doesn't celebrate it or doesn't want to include the religious parts, fine! But don't force me to remove the religious aspects of it when that is the whole point of the day in the first place.

 

[monarch64]

Using "Christmas card" diminishes everyone else.
It also sends a subliminal but powerful message that everyone ought to be a Christian, which is as problematic as everyone ought to be Muslim, or atheist.

If I were Jewish and somebody asked me if I sent out Christmas cards, how is that diminishing or offending me? I would just respond "no, but I send out Hanukkah cards." In know way would it make me feel like that person thought I should be Christian.

Gotcha.
"Holiday Card" has you covered in every situation.

Inclusion is better than exclusion.

I guess my point is why do we have to be inclusive? If I ask someone if they send out Christmas cards, they can say "Yes, I do," or they can say "no, I send out [fill in the blank] cards." It's not offensive, it's a request for information. I think if anything's offensive it's deminishing the fact that Christmas is a Christian holiday. If someone doesn't celebrate it or doesn't want to include the religious parts, fine! But don't force me to remove the religious aspects of it when that is the whole point of the day in the first place.

Because I don't want to buy separate cards for all the holy days! Also, I want to greet my atheist and agnostic friends! Seriously, though, if I know someone well enough to send them a card, I know whether sending them a "happy holidays" card instead of a "merry christmas" card will offend them.

ETA: SO is Jewish and I am not. If someone sent us a Christmas-specific card, he would feel weird. If they sent us a Hannukah-specific card, I would feel weird. Happy Holidays works for both of us, so there you go.

 

[kenny]

Everyone will call the cards what they call them.
No problem.

This is PS, not a forum of one religious group, hence I phrased the question in the way I felt was most inclusive and respectful to all.

If you are of the persuasion that everyone should be X, or you insist on calling them X-cards in your personal life, or you send X card to your X friends and Y card to your Y friends, no problem.

Holiday cards seemed the best term to use for the poll.

 

[Maisie]

No need to get over excited Kenny. I said Christmas cards because your poll question was holiday cards which I don't send. My cards don't say 'Happy Holidays' and I didn't know if that was what you were referring to. Do your cards say Happy Holidays? Maybe I need to do more research before I answer questions.

 

[Rhea]

Everyone will call the cards what they call them.
No problem.

This is PS, not a forum of one religious group, hence I phrased the question in the way I felt was most inclusive and respectful to all.

If you are of the persuasion that everyone should be X, or you insist on calling them X-cards in your personal life, or you send X card to your X friends and Y card to your Y friends, no problem.

Holiday cards seemed the best term to use for the poll.

I think you should start a different thread for all the religions and non-religions. Then we can all go vote in each of them. That's sure to give the accurate snap-shot that I think you're looking for by starting a poll on this topic!

 

[kenny]

Everyone will call the cards what they call them.
No problem.

This is PS, not a forum of one religious group, hence I phrased the question in the way I felt was most inclusive and respectful to all.

If you are of the persuasion that everyone should be X, or you insist on calling them X-cards in your personal life, or you send X card to your X friends and Y card to your Y friends, no problem.

Holiday cards seemed the best term to use for the poll.

I think you should start a different thread for all the religions and non-religions. Then we can all go vote in each of them. That's sure to give the accurate snap-shot that I think you're looking for by starting a poll on this topic!

That might be a lot of threads, and by the time I finished a few new ones would have probably been invented.

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[Rhea]

Everyone will call the cards what they call them.
No problem.

This is PS, not a forum of one religious group, hence I phrased the question in the way I felt was most inclusive and respectful to all.

If you are of the persuasion that everyone should be X, or you insist on calling them X-cards in your personal life, or you send X card to your X friends and Y card to your Y friends, no problem.

Holiday cards seemed the best term to use for the poll.

I think you should start a different thread for all the religions and non-religions. Then we can all go vote in each of them. That's sure to give the accurate snap-shot that I think you're looking for by starting a poll on this topic!

That might be a lot of threads, and by the time I finished a few new ones would have probably been invented.

I think you found yourself a day job!

For the record, I technically send blank cards. They don't say anything about any holiday, winter or snow. This year I've chosen a very cute robin card: http://www.etsy.com/listing/63371893/bird-note-card.. I like birds.

 

[missy]

Using "Christmas card" diminishes everyone else.
It also sends a subliminal but powerful message that everyone ought to be a Christian, which is as problematic as everyone ought to be Muslim, or atheist.

If I were Jewish and somebody asked me if I sent out Christmas cards, how is that diminishing or offending me? I would just respond "no, but I send out Hanukkah cards." In know way would it make me feel like that person thought I should be Christian.

Gotcha.
"Holiday Card" has you covered in every situation.

Inclusion is better than exclusion.

If I was a Jew in temple speaking to fellow Jews I'd use the term Chanukah cards, if I were a Christian in church speaking to fellow Christians I'd use the term Christmas cards if I were speaking in a place I reach everyone (like Pricescope) I'd use a term that is as inclusive and respectful as possible, Holiday card.

I agree with Kenny here. I am Jewish and most of my life I have lived in NYC. But when I am not in a place where people are familiar with Jewish culture I find myself wincing at things they end up saying. I feel like time has turned back and I am somewhere in the past. It is a humbling feeling and none too pleasant. So while I do not take offense at the use of the term Christmas cards etc I can totally understand Kenny's sensitivity to those who are not in the majority and how they might feel. If I had a nickel for every time someone said that they were a good christian...
And I know they are not trying to insult me but what does that mean? If you are not christian you cannot be good? Or is the implication that if you are christian you are good? I don't know but for some reason that term really gets me

 

[Maisie]

I believe we aren't allowed to have religious discussions here but let me say that I don't class myself as a 'good christian'. I am a saved by grace sinner. (bet this gets deleted!)

 

[missy]

I believe we aren't allowed to have religious discussions here but let me say that I don't class myself as a 'good christian'. I am a saved by grace sinner. (bet this gets deleted!)

Sorry Maisie...I just don't see how being religious (or not) makes one a good person. Are you a kind person, a loving person, an empathetic person, a generous person, etc. That is what makes someone a good person...in my mind anyway. (bet this gets deleted too )

 

[mary poppins]

ETA: SO is Jewish and I am not. If someone sent us a Christmas-specific card, he would feel weird. If they sent us a Hannukah-specific card, I would feel weird. Happy Holidays works for both of us, so there you go.

I don't consistently send cards. I probably won't send any this year. That being said, when I do send them, I think it's important to send cards that either reflect the recipients' beliefs or are just neutral holiday, winter/seasonal pictures and sayings. Christmas cards for those who celebrate Christmas and Hanukkah cards for those who celebrate Hanukkah. If I knew someone who celebrates Kwanzaa, I'd send a Kwanzaa card. Or neutral seasonal card with handwritten personal message regarding holiday for everyone.

For my friends and family members in interfaith relationships, I love to get interfaith holiday cards from MixedBlessing. The cards are always really creative and the recipients appreciate the thoughtfulness. Sometimes I'm lucky enough to find the cards in a store. Otherwise, they are available on the internet.

http://www.mixedblessing.com/index_store.php?cPath=21

 

[DivaDiamond007]

No need to get over excited Kenny. I said Christmas cards because your poll question was holiday cards which I don't send. My cards don't say 'Happy Holidays' and I didn't know if that was what you were referring to. Do your cards say Happy Holidays? Maybe I need to do more research before I answer questions.

I agree with Maisie.

DH and I send out CHRISTMAS cards to about 25-30 people regardless of their religion. Because WE celebrate Christmas and like to share that joy with our families and friends. If someone has taken offense to our gesture then we certainly haven't heard. It has nothing to do with thinking we're better because we're Christian or anything like that. If we weren't Christian then we'd send out generic holiday cards or whatever would correspond to our religion.

People really get offended over receiving a card in the mail? IMHO that is ridiculous.

 

[Maisie]

I believe we aren't allowed to have religious discussions here but let me say that I don't class myself as a 'good christian'. I am a saved by grace sinner. (bet this gets deleted!)

Sorry Maisie...I just don't see how being religious (or not) makes one a good person. Are you a kind person, a loving person, an empathetic person, a generous person, etc. That is what makes someone a good person...in my mind anyway. (bet this gets deleted too )

I reported my own comment because I know I crossed the line in posting it. I'm such a chicken!

But in answer to your question, I feel like I am a good person. But I don't go around saying I am a good christian.

 

[kenny]

Hence the term "Holiday Cards".

 

[missy]

No need to get over excited Kenny. I said Christmas cards because your poll question was holiday cards which I don't send. My cards don't say 'Happy Holidays' and I didn't know if that was what you were referring to. Do your cards say Happy Holidays? Maybe I need to do more research before I answer questions.

I agree with Maisie.

DH and I send out CHRISTMAS cards to about 25-30 people regardless of their religion. Because WE celebrate Christmas and like to share that joy with our families and friends. If someone has taken offense to our gesture then we certainly haven't heard. It has nothing to do with thinking we're better because we're Christian or anything like that. If we weren't Christian then we'd send out generic holiday cards or whatever would correspond to our religion.

People really get offended over receiving a card in the mail? IMHO that is ridiculous.

I don't think anyone here was posting they get offended by receiving a (not their) holiday card in the mail. All I think Kenny was trying to point out was that why not use a more inclusive term in his poll than just a term that will exclude others here? If you use holiday (in the POLL) everyone can answer. If you use the term Christmas cards well, then only Christians can answer. Not sure why this is such a big deal that he used the term holiday vs Christmas.

 

[missy]

I believe we aren't allowed to have religious discussions here but let me say that I don't class myself as a 'good christian'. I am a saved by grace sinner. (bet this gets deleted!)

Sorry Maisie...I just don't see how being religious (or not) makes one a good person. Are you a kind person, a loving person, an empathetic person, a generous person, etc. That is what makes someone a good person...in my mind anyway. (bet this gets deleted too )

I reported my own comment because I know I crossed the line in posting it. I'm such a chicken!

But in answer to your question, I feel like I am a good person. But I don't go around saying I am a good christian.

LOL Maisie. You reported your own post which btw doesn't seem offensive in the least.
From what I have read on PS I agree you seem like a lovely person. My point was that I am not sure what religion has to do with being a good person in any case...

ETA My original point was in agreeing with Kenny over the use of the term Holiday cards in his poll so as not to exclude anybody. And then I just went on to share how sometimes I do feel excluded by people IRL (and yeah, it is an unpleasant feeling) when I am around people not familiar with Jewish culture etc. And this happens more often than you think because my dh is (a recovering as per him) Catholic and lots of family/friends are Christian and believe it or not some don't know many Jewish people. So I can empathize with others who sometimes feel excluded by mainstream society for (so many) other reasons.

 

[texaskj]

Wait a minute! Kenny, what do you do?
(I still send out cards, but the list gets shorter every year.)