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Do you now think Trump will lose in Nov?

Do you now think Trump will lose in Nov?

  • Yes

    Votes: 69 51.9%
  • No

    Votes: 60 45.1%
  • Other, please explain

    Votes: 4 3.0%

  • Total voters
    133
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voce

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Yes, if they send out ballots to non US citizens and the dead.
I don't see how it could possibly be worse than stuffing ballot boxes (Russia) or only allowing the super-elite (around 300 or so) CCP members to vote out of a population of over a billion people (China).

Either Trump really believes in what he said (in which case his judgment seems to be impaired), or he's just using this rhetoric without believing in it (in which case he's a self-serving big fat liar).
 

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I don't see how it could possibly be worse than stuffing ballot boxes (Russia) or only allowing the super-elite (around 300 or so) CCP members to vote out of a population of over a billion people (China).

Either Trump really believes in what he said (in which case his judgment seems to be impaired), or he's just using this rhetoric without believing in it (in which case he's a self-serving big fat liar).
It's the latter.
 

Musia

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@Dancing Fire What do you think of this statement the POTUS has made? I'll bold the section that I am especially outraged by.

"Now they want to take it countrywide--mail-in voting. It's going to be the greatest fraud to the history of elections. When you always talk about Russia, Russia, Russia and China, Iran on voting--the biggest problem is going to be with the Democrats, not with China, Russia, and Iran," he said.

Really? Voting fraud is going to be worse here in the US than China, Russia, Iran?
But China is helping, the article is old but several days ago there was another big pile of fake IDs seized. https://nypost.com/2019/11/28/cbp-seizes-thousands-of-fake-ids-headed-from-china-to-new-york/ I am also afraid the USPS won't be able to process all mail flooding in before the election. Junk mail including. They can't have many people working at the same time because of the pandemic. These days the mailman often comes after 6-7pm while the post office is closed at 5pm. Before the pandemic lockdown, some bad people stole big and heavy USPS outdoor box nearby. https://www.losaltoshills.ca.gov/DocumentCenter/View/458/Mailbox-Theft-Advisory-PDF So now the Sheriffs Office advices people to come and drop their mail inside the Post Office. If you ever saw long lines of people right before April 15 on previous years, you can imagine what is going to happen inside Post Offices across the country before the election.
 

Musia

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But China is helping, the article is old but several days ago there was another big pile of fake IDs seized. https://nypost.com/2019/11/28/cbp-seizes-thousands-of-fake-ids-headed-from-china-to-new-york/ I am also afraid the USPS won't be able to process all mail flooding in before the election. Junk mail including. They can't have many people working at the same time because of the pandemic. These days the mailman often comes after 6-7pm while the post office is closed at 5pm. Before the pandemic lockdown, some bad people stole big and heavy USPS outdoor box nearby. https://www.losaltoshills.ca.gov/DocumentCenter/View/458/Mailbox-Theft-Advisory-PDF So now the Sheriffs Office advices people to come and drop their mail inside the Post Office. If you ever saw long lines of people right before April 15 on previous years, you can imagine what is going to happen inside Post Offices across the country before the election.
Official Post Office drop box had been stolen. Unfortunately, I can't find an article, there were photos on Nextdoor, it was right during the time when some local election took place. Residents were informing their neighbors so they could check if their mail have been received by their addressees.
 

partgypsy

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The people using these fake id are definitely bad guys. But do you think that those I.D.s are being used as some widespread attempt to vote illegally? Give me a break. And yes post office mailboxes are often broken into and stolen in particular in NYC. That is so those criminals can steal what is in the mailbox such as checks, money orders, items, etc. NOT to steal mail in ballots. The biggest issue with mail in voting, is the problems that Trump and his cronies are creating. Mailing times were normal or near normal until Trump installed the latest postmaster. In addition to firing all the top leadership, he is both removing machines and creating processes that SLOW mail delivery. Now why would a Postmaster General want to do that? Unless he sees efficient and reliable US postal service as a threat. https://lawandcrime.com/2020-electi...f-post-office-removing-mail-sorting-machines/
 
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voce

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@Musia you seriously think China will tamper with PHYSICAL MAIL-IN BALLOTS rather than screw with the machines that count the ballots at actual voting centers?
 

Musia

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@Musia you seriously think China will tamper with PHYSICAL MAIL-IN BALLOTS rather than screw with the machines that count the ballots at actual voting centers?
I think the upcoming election is going to be a huge mess. Of course, China wants Biden as well as Russia. Of course, they will try to interfere. There are also Revolutionary Communist Party of the USA ready to start their glorious bloody revolution as soon as Trump is voted out. There is a Socialist Party, I just figured out they have their own nominee for VP!!! I am really scared and lost. We are thinking that there are only 2 sides, Democrats and Republicans. Green Party has endorsed this Socialist VP!!! Beautiful woman, her party is against Dems but I didn't figure out how they are going to vote. Not for Trump for sure! What a mess...On top of Covid 19. 0''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''.png
 

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I think the upcoming election is going to be a huge mess. Of course, China wants Biden as well as Russia. Of course, they will try to interfere. There are also Revolutionary Communist Party of the USA ready to start their glorious bloody revolution as soon as Trump is voted out. There is a Socialist Party, I just figured out they have their own nominee for VP!!! I am really scared and lost. We are thinking that there are only 2 sides, Democrats and Republicans. Green Party has endorsed this Socialist VP!!! Beautiful woman, her party is against Dems but I didn't figure out how they are going to vote. Not for Trump for sure! What a mess...On top of Covid 19. 0''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''.png
Um, no. Just because something is published does not make it true. You need to evaluate the source of it. I think you've been mistaking propaganda for news there.
 

Musia

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I think the upcoming election is going to be a huge mess. Of course, China wants Biden as well as Russia. Of course, they will try to interfere. There are also Revolutionary Communist Party of the USA ready to start their glorious bloody revolution as soon as Trump is voted out. There is a Socialist Party, I just figured out they have their own nominee for VP!!! I am really scared and lost. We are thinking that there are only 2 sides, Democrats and Republicans. Green Party has endorsed this Socialist VP!!! Beautiful woman, her party is against Dems but I didn't figure out how they are going to vote. Not for Trump for sure! What a mess...On top of Covid 19. 0''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''.png
Oh no, Greens have the President and they choose this beautiful socialist Angela as a VP nominee. :-o
 

Musia

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Um, no. Just because something is published does not make it true. You need to evaluate the source of it. I think you've been mistaking propaganda for news there.
Please point to what is wrong. Where is propaganda? Everything was published, we all are reading what was published. I am just thinking how closely CCP and RCP of the USA may be working together. I am lost, not hostile and don't want to argue, please believe me.
 

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voce

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I think the upcoming election is going to be a huge mess. Of course, China wants Biden as well as Russia. Of course, they will try to interfere. There are also Revolutionary Communist Party of the USA ready to start their glorious bloody revolution as soon as Trump is voted out. There is a Socialist Party, I just figured out they have their own nominee for VP!!! I am really scared and lost. We are thinking that there are only 2 sides, Democrats and Republicans. Green Party has endorsed this Socialist VP!!! Beautiful woman, her party is against Dems but I didn't figure out how they are going to vote. Not for Trump for sure! What a mess...On top of Covid 19. 0''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''.png
It seems too be pretty ingrained belief with you and among other Fox news watching people that I know that China wants Biden. I don't think this is true. China welcomes Trump and Trump's rhetoric in order to prop up it's own nationalistic agenda. Who China hates is human rights advocates, who are more clearly allowed with the Democrats. I have spoken with people in China who are pro communist party, and they all want Trump to win.
 

Musia

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with you and among other Fox news watching people
I am not watching Fox, we eliminated cable TV and don't have a dish. I don't see how Dems advocate for human rites better than Republicans. Socialists think they are the best, and Dems and Republicans are equally evil Capitalists. Since Trump voters generally tend to keep their political views to themselves while being among democrats, I suspect their right of free speech is suppressed. They simply don't have a right to see things differently. That's how I feel, and I don't want to argue. No one here on PS is going to change a mind.
 

Matata

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It seems too be pretty ingrained belief with you and among other Fox news watching people that I know that China wants Biden. I don't think this is true. China welcomes Trump and Trump's rhetoric in order to prop up it's own nationalistic agenda. Who China hates is human rights advocates, who are more clearly allowed with the Democrats. I have spoken with people in China who are pro communist party, and they all want Trump to win.
 

scouty

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I am not watching Fox, we eliminated cable TV and don't have a dish. I don't see how Dems advocate for human rites better than Republicans. Socialists think they are the best, and Dems and Republicans are equally evil Capitalists. Since Trump voters generally tend to keep their political views to themselves while being among democrats, I suspect their right of free speech is suppressed. They simply don't have a right to see things differently. That's how I feel, and I don't want to argue. No one here on PS is going to change a mind.
If people aren't admitting their support of him, it's because they know it's shameful.

I'm sorry but it's a shameful thing to support a person who says the things Trump has said repeatedly, who is a bigot, who preys upon people's fears and stirs their hatred, even to the point of violence.
 

voce

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I am not watching Fox, we eliminated cable TV and don't have a dish. I don't see how Dems advocate for human rites better than Republicans. Socialists think they are the best, and Dems and Republicans are equally evil Capitalists. Since Trump voters generally tend to keep their political views to themselves while being among democrats, I suspect their right of free speech is suppressed. They simply don't have a right to see things differently. That's how I feel, and I don't want to argue. No one here on PS is going to change a mind.
I said you AND other FOX NEWS WATCHING PEOPLE I KNOW. You are decided not among the other people I know who watch Fox News, and I never meant to lump you in as a Fox News watcher. What you share with those people, is your belief that China is pro-Biden.

The main point of last post boils down to this. Where do you get this belief from? It seems to be speculation to me, and completely counter to my personal observations.

There is a lot of contention among Chinese Americans who truly live in both worlds (work, travel) and they fall into anti-CCP and pro-CCP camps. Only the anti-CCP group wants the Democrats to win. The pro-CCP group wants Trump to be re-elected, stated reason being that they want Trump to wreck America; then China can be #1. I don't know any socialism-supporter Chinese person who wants Biden to win. You need to understand that for the Chinese, nationalism comes first.

There's actually more Chinese Communists have in common with American Republicans from a political point of view than with American Democrats. Chinese Communists are conservative. Ideology matters naught; they want to maintain power, so they are anti-liberal values, anti-reform etc and simply want to maintain the status quo. Revolutionary Communists are all dead in China. Chinese people are Communist in name only. I consider the word COMINO.

Republicans call stone among them rhinos as an insult. COMINO is not an insult from me, it's the truth. Few people in China study political science, and they get brainwashed with NATIONALIST propaganda, not political propaganda. The government controlled news channels always seek to rile people up with nationalism, not ideology. I know because for twenty-plus years my parents tuned in to CCTV.

Anyway, I figure I know hundreds more Chinese people than you or DF do, and probably have a more accurate pulse on how things really are with where Chinese interests really lie.
 

Musia

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If people aren't admitting their support of him, it's because they know it's shameful.

I'm sorry but it's a shameful thing to support a person who says the things Trump has said repeatedly, who is a bigot, who preys upon people's fears and stirs their hatred, even to the point of violence.
So you think I am a shameless person who doesn't want to vote for the right (left actually) candidate despite being taught many times here on PS. I simply have a different opinion, a different political view. Here is a comrade Angela Davis speaking for Russia Today why she thinks commies should vote for Biden. She was my hero when I was a young communist back in USSR. I think it is a dangerous thing to support Biden since commies are going to pressure him and finally get what they want.
 

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I am not watching Fox, we eliminated cable TV and don't have a dish. I don't see how Dems advocate for human rites better than Republicans. Socialists think they are the best, and Dems and Republicans are equally evil Capitalists. Since Trump voters generally tend to keep their political views to themselves while being among democrats, I suspect their right of free speech is suppressed. They simply don't have a right to see things differently. That's how I feel, and I don't want to argue. No one here on PS is going to change a mind.
Trump supporters can and do express their political views. They’ve certainly done it here and continue to do so, like you have. The real bone of contention is that everyone else is under no obligation to quietly accept lies and half truths and refrain from countering with facts.
 

scouty

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So you think I am a shameless person who doesn't want to vote for the right (left actually) candidate despite being taught many times here on PS. I simply have a different opinion, a different political view. Here is a comrade Angela Davis speaking for Russia Today why she thinks commies should vote for Biden. She was my hero when I was a young communist back in USSR. I think it is a dangerous thing to support Biden since commies are going to pressure him and finally get what they want.
I don't care who random people on the internet vote for, it's your mind, your life, and your decision. I expressed my opinion on why people don't admit their support of Trump.
 

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Musia many people were indicted and prosecuted (and Trump was Impeached) due to Russia interference in the 2016 presidential election that the Republicans, Trump's team, actively solicitated. Did you miss all that? Putin would LOVE for trump to continue to stay in office because he is considered a weak leader. What makes him even weaker position is Trump has a lot of debt with Russian plutocrats. He's in debt to them. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_between_Trump_associates_and_Russian_officials. As far as China, I have heard rumors that China is pro Biden. But the rumors are not on the same level and degree as the russia-Trump association, and Trump promises of quid pro quo that (both republican and democrats prevented in a united stance) when Trump first assumed office.
 
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Music, many people were procedures, had to resign, and trump was Impeached due to Russia interference in the 21016 presidential election. Did you miss all that? Putin and Russia would LOVE for trump to continue to stay in office because he is considered a weak leader. Also Trump has long standing ties with Russian plutocrats, and borrowed alot of money from Russian investors. He's in debt to them. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_between_Trump_associates_and_Russian_officials. As far as China, I have heard rumors that China is pro Biden. But the rumors are not on the same level as the russia-Trump association. Trump actually tried to promise Russia he would back out of helping Ukraine if he was elected. There was bipartisan (Republican and Democrat) support at that time to enact laws to prevent Trump from doing exactly that.
This. I have no idea how anyone could possibly believe that Russia wants Biden. It defies logic.
 

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Musia many people were indicted and prosecuted (and Trump was Impeached) due to Russia interference in the 2016 presidential election that the Republicans, Trump's team, actively solicitated.
The Dems should go for impeachment part 2.
 

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Why not? Hunter made a lot of $$$ from Ukraine.
That's a false equivalency. Ukraine is a different country that wants to break away from Russia. That's why Russia annexed Crimea, because Ukraine did not act according to what Putin wanted.

This statement of yours makes me doubt your capability of grasping complex truths.
 

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That's a false equivalency. Ukraine is a different country that wants to break away from Russia. That's why Russia annexed Crimea, because Ukraine did not act according to what Putin wanted.
And who was the POTUS when Putin took over Crimea?
 

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