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desperately need advice on upgrading with existing diamond.

kris10

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I am new here and hope this is an appropriate question for the forum. Dh announced that for our anniversary I could upgrade my solitaire to a 3 stone. Yippee! After having decided on a pave setting, a salesperson thought that the pave would be wasted on my size 4 finger. So I went to the internet for opinions, and presto… I found PS. Turns out that I have put that issue on the back burner for now.

So here is my real problem. Sorting through all this awesome information here, I have just deduced that I have a low cut grade diamond; possibly even a fish eye. It is GIA cert but back in ’94 there was no cut grade. So, the emphasis was really placed on clarity and color. Dh has always been proud of his thoughtful consideration of my diamond.
It is a 1.5 VVS2, G. After breaking out the certification I see it is a 7.48-7.55 x 4.35mm. It has a large table of 65% and shallow depth of 57.9.
Girdle is thin to medium, polish is vg and sym is only good.

Believe it or not, to most uninformed people, my solitaire looks beautiful, but I have to admit that over the years I have noticed a glassy look from certain angles, most probably due to the large table. So here are my questions. Sorry for the length.

1.I am wondering if this will present a problem when set next to 2 other diamonds. Those two are .49 and .5 of the same color. Not sure about the rest of the details, but am assuming the cuts are better, will the my orig center stone look dull?

2. I think I read that shallow diamonds often do better when set high in order to get light to pass thru. Will being in a 3 stone setting block too much light and really dull down the center stone? Hope that makes sense.

3. Dh is very sensitive and thoughtful. Had he known about the importance of cut, he would have insisted on an ideal cut. I am reluctant to share what I have learned because 1. He always looks back on his purchasing decision fondly and 2. His wanting to give me this upgrade as a gift is to be a joyful time and if he learns about this it could cast a negative light on the whole experience. What do you all think?
Thank you.
 
Re: desperately need advice on upgrading with existing diamo

Point the first: No, it shouldn't be too jarring to have a non-ideal stone set next to an ideal stone ... but do run your new sidestones through the HCA and be positive you like the look of them before you commit.

Point the second: I've never heard that in my life, and honestly don't think it will make much of a difference: you might want an open setting, but I don't think it needs to be a high setting.

Point the third: usually I advocate for women to tell their husbands if the stones they've chosen aren't to their taste, but given the fact that you've worn it for ten years and love it and he has positive memories ... I think I'd keep quiet on this. What I WOULD be tempted to do is see if the stone is a good candidate for a recut. There's a company called Brian Gavin Diamonds which does some of the smoothest recuts around. In your shoes, I might be tempted to say that I'd fallen madly in love with one of their settings and send my stone off to them to be reset ... and possibly touched up a little while it was there.
 
Re: desperately need advice on upgrading with existing diamo

yeah...your stone might be a great candidate for a recut. some of the before-and-afters are amazing!
 
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Circe - Thank you for addressing each of my concerns. I especially like the way you suggested to go about re cutting.

slg47 - I think I will look into recutting. It can't hurt to check it out. I do admit though I am nervous about the loss of size. I have lived with my current stone for almost 18 years.

Does anyone have any thoughts about a pave 3 stone setting on a size 4 finger? I think all 3 stones, 1.5, .5 and .49 would give approx 60% coverage so would the pave be visible? I was caught off guard when the saleswoman stated that she considered it to be a waste of money.
 
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kris10|1320881015|3058147 said:
Circe - Thank you for addressing each of my concerns. I especially like the way you suggested to go about re cutting.

slg47 - I think I will look into recutting. It can't hurt to check it out. I do admit though I am nervous about the loss of size. I have lived with my current stone for almost 18 years.

Does anyone have any thoughts about a pave 3 stone setting on a size 4 finger? I think all 3 stones, 1.5, .5 and .49 would give approx 60% coverage so would the pave be visible? I was caught off guard when the saleswoman stated that she considered it to be a waste of money.

HI:

I unerstand what you are saying--but you won't know exactly what the final yield would be unless you submit your stone for analysis (an assessment). If you don't like the recut estimate/numbers, then reset your stone as originally intended.

You have a small finger, so any increase in number of stones will have presence on your hand, even with/if your center stone is recut/reduced in size. Or you could go five stone--have you seen any of the 5 stone rings here on PS? Wow! :love:

As for paved sides, that would not be my choice with a three or 5 stone ring. Would you wear a wedding band?

cheers--Sharon
 
Re: desperately need advice on upgrading with existing diamo

I think the recut recommendation is absolutely brilliant. It really depends on how much it bothers you. I informed my mom of my "newly acquired" knowledge of cut a while ago when I first came in touch with this site. Her thoughts were she did not care much about it. She said yea great the diamond is perfectly ideal but she doesn't think a lesser cut diamond is going to bother her. I am different. I want my diamonds to be ideal. It would bother me A LOT if it's not. I own a Brian Gavin diamond and I LOVE the cut. Bottomline is I think if 1) you don't care much, 2) you think you can proceed with the recut without making a big deal to your husband, then I would not say anything to him to potentially hurt his feelings. I think mentioning a "touch up" of the diamond after many years is a good way to go about. Just say they need to re-polish the diamond to "make it new" again. I'm sure most guys don't really know the difference.

With that said, you can go to Brian's blog and look at some of the diamonds he's recut. Most of the recuts retain over 85% of the original weight. And since you are upgrading to a three stone, I think the overall presence of the "new ring" will be significantly greater than your current 1.5 carat solitaire. Not to mention after the recut your center stone will "shine" so much more! A few of the PSers here have three stones from Brian Gavin. You can do a search and see if any of them is to your liking.
 
Re: desperately need advice on upgrading with existing diamo

I agree with the PP about at least looking into a recut. I have been amazed at the difference. You may only lose a mm or so of size...nothing noticable in the grand scheme of things but your stone could be dramatically changed. It's not expensive and I'm sure Brian Gavin or whoever does the recut will let you know how much you need to lose and give you a size comparison so you can decide.
 
Re: desperately need advice on upgrading with existing diamo

There is a post on Brian Gavin recut just today! Check it out:

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/diamond-recut-should-be-finished-soon.168035/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/diamond-recut-should-be-finished-soon.168035/[/URL]

It's not done yet but you can see Brian runs a report showing you what the approximate/expected weight will be after the recut. This particular recut retains 90% of the original weight.
 
Re: desperately need advice on upgrading with existing diamo

I think a recut could be a great idea but I would definitely tell your husband...I think he would be upset if he found out and he did not know? Maybe emphasize that you really want to use the same diamond because it is special to you but you want to improve it so it looks good with the side stones (do you already have these?)
 
Re: desperately need advice on upgrading with existing diamo

You could say that cutting parameters have changed, probably partially true, since your diamond was bought and a slight readjustment would make it match the newer stones of the 3 stone, as otherwise they might look slightly different.
 
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