shape
carat
color
clarity

cz removal from a bezel setting

Status
Not open for further replies. Please create a new topic or request for this thread to be opened.

headcat

Rough_Rock
Joined
Oct 14, 2009
Messages
11
Hey everyone! I''m new here and very green about jewelry and diamonds. Please forgive my total lack of knowledge.

My fiance bought me a diamond with the intention of us going together to pick out the ring. We found the ring at Bailey Banks and Biddle and they happen to be going out of business which is a huge plus! It''s a Ritani Bella Vita three stone (just like the one of poster chemgeek). The sales people said that my .72 ct diamond is too small because it''s suposed to be .75 ct. They thought the jeweler (who travels to all of the BBB and wasn''t in that day) may be able to do fill it in to make it fit (I have no idea what that means). We bought the ring and will be able to return it if the jeweler doesn''t think the ring would look good or if we don''t want to pay what he wants to charge. We bought the ring Monday and the jeweler still hasn''t called.

I found chemgeek''s post about her ring and was excited to read that her diamond is .7. She didn''t say anything about having to mess around with the setting to get it to fit but I''m not sure if that''s the case. She hasn''t responded yet so my nerves have gotten to me so much that I emailed Ritani.

Ritani''s response was not comforting at all!! I''m even more worried. They say that the Rings at BBB are "stock rings" with cz. Since it''s a bezel set, the cz should not be removed or the bezel set will be totally damaged beyond repair. I was further told that if the jewelr did manage to get the diamond in, the Ritani warranty would be null. I thought that most rings at stores came with cz so potential buyers could get an idea of what the ring would look like. I thought what I was doing was the norm.

Is Ritani just trying to scare me and make money off of me? Or is BBB messing with me by selling me a ring that has a cz in it that isn''t normally for sale? I''m totally clueless and freaked out. Please help!
 
hmm, when I visited the local jeweler and found a designer piece, the jeweler would send your diamond off directly to the designer /manufacturer ie: Ritani, SHoldt, Claude Thibaudeau etc... to be made to fit your diamond specifications So you don't buy the "stock" setting in the store those are display
33.gif
not sure if that helps.
 
I remember going to a BBB recently when I was looking for bands. I saw something I liked, but was told that they aren't placing special orders, because that specific store was going out of business. Everything they were selling out of the case was being sold as-is. They then referred to another BBB that wasn't closing to place my order. Typically, when ordering a setting, the jeweler sends the diamond to the manufacturer of the setting and they make a new setting.

I would like to think that if BBB is an authorize retailer of Ritani, they should be able to do something like that, but maybe they aren't. Maybe they're only allow to sell it and if it requires repair or modification, it's suppose to go to Ritani. That could be why the warranty would be void if they mess around with it.

Sorry if that doesn't help.
 
Usually replacing a CZ with an appropriate size diamond isn’t all that difficult. The key to getting the CZ out without damaging the bezel is to destroy the CZ. I always did it with a hammer and a punch and would literally shatter the CZ in the mounting. Needless to say, this is not something to do at home. Whether or not the Ritani warranty applies to rings they’re selling through BBB is up to them. It’s correct that the CZ rings in the cases are generally in the stores as samples only and when you buy one they will then make a brand new ring that fits your stone. Apparently this doesn’t apply to the closeouts. All in all, I wouldn’t worry about it too much. Jewelry warranties are generally overrated anyway. Ritani makes good stuff. Shop around for a capable bench jeweler to do the modifications and ask them about doing the work. I’m not so sure the best place to do this is the traveling guy working for a chain that’s going out of business.

Neil Beaty
GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA
Professional Appraisals in Denver
 
Listen to denverappraiser. Also don''t get BBB to do the modifications. They will most likely charge an arm and a leg. I went to one of their closing down sales and they had a great price on a Ritani but they said they would charge about $200 just to set a diamond. That''s exorbitant. And this was on an unset piece so no removal of cz or fixing prongs or anything.
 
Thanks everyone for your help! My fiance just got a call from the store and the jeweler says there would be a gap around the diamond so it would look like it''s floating. I guess that''s bad. I love that ring so much and we''re now going to have to return it. It''s too expensive to buy elsewhere for the regular price (we got it for 50% with an additional 20% off with an add''l 15% off!) and send it to Ritani for them to build the ring around the diamond. Since it''s too small I won''t be able to find another jeweler to set it. I wish I would have known how things worked before he bought the ring. I''m devastated. Is there anything that can be done now?
 
From the pictures, the diamond is prong set, not bezel, so I'm not sure where the major problem lies. There might be an airline if the setting was made for a slightly larger stone, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be beautiful. (Airline vs. no airline is a personal preference)

Just my 2 cents, someone more knowledgeable could tell you more, but since you have the setting, I'd be talking with another jeweler about what can be done, not BBB.
 
yap, looks like prong set to me.
 
Date: 10/16/2009 1:42:12 PM
Author: jet2ks
From the pictures, the diamond is prong set, not bezel, so I''m not sure where the major problem lies. There might be an airline if the setting was made for a slightly larger stone, but that doesn''t mean it wouldn''t be beautiful. (Airline vs. no airline is a personal preference)

Just my 2 cents, someone more knowledgeable could tell you more, but since you have the setting, I''d be talking with another jeweler about what can be done, not BBB.
agreed...

check with another jeweler for a second opionion
 
If the diamond you have is .72ct, and it was made for a .75ct, unless your diamond is cut really deep or something I wouldn''t think there would be much size difference at all
33.gif
 
Date: 10/16/2009 1:47:01 PM
Author: D&T
Date: 10/16/2009 1:42:12 PM

Author: jet2ks

From the pictures, the diamond is prong set, not bezel, so I''m not sure where the major problem lies. There might be an airline if the setting was made for a slightly larger stone, but that doesn''t mean it wouldn''t be beautiful. (Airline vs. no airline is a personal preference)


Just my 2 cents, someone more knowledgeable could tell you more, but since you have the setting, I''d be talking with another jeweler about what can be done, not BBB.
agreed...


check with another jeweler for a second opionion



Agreed +2... I would think a jeweler could make it work somehow! Unless this one sample ring is bezel set for some reason and doesn''t have prongs like the pics show. Don''t give up if this is the ring you really love!
 
Date: 10/16/2009 10:46:44 AM
Author:headcat
Hey everyone! I''m new here and very green about jewelry and diamonds. Please forgive my total lack of knowledge.

My fiance bought me a diamond with the intention of us going together to pick out the ring. We found the ring at Bailey Banks and Biddle and they happen to be going out of business which is a huge plus! It''s a Ritani Bella Vita three stone (just like the one of poster chemgeek). The sales people said that my .72 ct diamond is too small because it''s suposed to be .75 ct. They thought the jeweler (who travels to all of the BBB and wasn''t in that day) may be able to do fill it in to make it fit (I have no idea what that means). We bought the ring and will be able to return it if the jeweler doesn''t think the ring would look good or if we don''t want to pay what he wants to charge. We bought the ring Monday and the jeweler still hasn''t called.

I found chemgeek''s post about her ring and was excited to read that her diamond is .7. She didn''t say anything about having to mess around with the setting to get it to fit but I''m not sure if that''s the case. She hasn''t responded yet so my nerves have gotten to me so much that I emailed Ritani.

Ritani''s response was not comforting at all!! I''m even more worried. They say that the Rings at BBB are ''stock rings'' with cz. Since it''s a bezel set, the cz should not be removed or the bezel set will be totally damaged beyond repair. I was further told that if the jewelr did manage to get the diamond in, the Ritani warranty would be null. I thought that most rings at stores came with cz so potential buyers could get an idea of what the ring would look like. I thought what I was doing was the norm.

Is Ritani just trying to scare me and make money off of me? Or is BBB messing with me by selling me a ring that has a cz in it that isn''t normally for sale? I''m totally clueless and freaked out. Please help!
It means your salespeople were selling ladies shoes a week or two ago, or perhaps purses and should not be answering your questions about mountings as they obviously have not learned much yet.

For example, looking at one of Stuller''s more popular six pring heads, the six prong peg setting (Low) their item number 312, you can see that the .75ct head is designed to fit from 5.7mm to 6.0mm. (Roughly from .69 to .80cts. assuming well cut diamonds.) The 1ct head of the same style is for 6.0mm to 6.6mm. (Roughtly .80 to 1.07).

Looking at stones sold recently I see a .72ct that had a diameter of 5.79mm and a .76 that had a diameter of 5.85 both well within the margins for that head. A bezel setting will allow similar margins. These bezel settings are normally sold by the mm size in half mm increments rather than by weight, as the mm measurement is the important measurement for the head. My benchmen tell me that for a 5.79mm or a 5.85mm gem that I am better to buy the 6mm head than the 5.5mm head so that the bezel is pulled in rather than bulged out.

My bench agrees with Niel in his post above when he talks about breaking out the CZ and just barely opening up the bezel to allow the diamond to be slipped in.

The sheer incorrectness of the statement in red makes me wonder if these sales people were not brought in just for the Going Out of Business sale as they have given you very bad information. I think when you talk to their jeweler you will get a different answer, if not then you need to decide whether to find another ring or another jeweler. There may actually be a legitimate reason why the ring can not have a diamond set into it, but the size difference between a .75 and a .72 is NOT it.

Wink

Wink
 
Definitely prong set and an experienced setter should be able to pop that CZ center out in seconds without harming the mounting or even breaking the CZ. What is the mm diameter of your diamond if you don’t mind my asking? I really don’t see a reason that this wouldn’t fit, or a reason for what your jeweler says will result in “floating”. Odd.
 
Date: 10/16/2009 1:32:35 PM
Author: headcat
https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/engaged-my-ritani-bella-vita.120533/ Chemgeek has many, many good pictures of the ring.


from Ritani''s site: http://www.ritani.com/products/view/944 It''s not nearly as dainty or pretty on their site as it actually is in person
it is prong set so there isn''t a huge problem.
One problem will be that the CZ will have a much larger girdle than the diamond.
The prongs will have to be repaired.
I would find a benchman with a laser welder because it is safer.
 
Status
Not open for further replies. Please create a new topic or request for this thread to be opened.
GET 3 FREE HCA RESULTS JOIN THE FORUM. ASK FOR HELP
Top