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Hello everyone! I''ve been lurking around the forums for some time now and I have learned so much... So I want to say thanks in advance for all of the wonderful feedback I know I will receive. Here''s the story - my fiance'' surprised me on Christmas Eve with an engagement ring. Everyone says it''s beautiful and I''m inclined to agree, though it will definitely have to grow on me.

I am wondering if anyone knows anything about "cut corner square mod. brilliant" shape? I know nothing about and have not ever heard of this cut before and would like some honest feedback on the stats.

Weight: 1.01 CT
Shape: CUT CORNER SQUARE MOD. BRILLIANT12
Color: H
Clarity: SI1
Measurements: 4.98 x 4.98 x 4.55 mm
Depth: 91.4%
Table: 66%
Crown: 18.7%
Pavilion: 63.3%
Crown Angle: 47.7°
Pavilion Angle: N/A
Girdle: VERY THICK POLISHED
Polish: GOOD
Symmetry: GOOD
Fluorescence: NONE
Culet: NONE
Cut Grade: N/A
UGS Appraisal Value: N/A
 
Date: 12/29/2008 1:20:20 PM
Author:aprileubanks
Hello everyone! I''ve been lurking around the forums for some time now and I have learned so much... So I want to say thanks in advance for all of the wonderful feedback I know I will receive. Here''s the story - my fiance'' surprised me on Christmas Eve with an engagement ring. Everyone says it''s beautiful and I''m inclined to agree, though it will definitely have to grow on me.

I am wondering if anyone knows anything about ''cut corner square mod. brilliant'' shape? I know nothing about and have not ever heard of this cut before and would like some honest feedback on the stats.

Weight: 1.01 CT
Shape: CUT CORNER SQUARE MOD. BRILLIANT12
Color: H
Clarity: SI1
Measurements: 4.98 x 4.98 x 4.55 mm
Depth: 91.4%
Table: 66%
Crown: 18.7%
Pavilion: 63.3%
Crown Angle: 47.7°
Pavilion Angle: N/A
Girdle: VERY THICK POLISHED
Polish: GOOD
Symmetry: GOOD
Fluorescence: NONE
Culet: NONE
Cut Grade: N/A
UGS Appraisal Value: N/A
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Welcome!

The above is probably the grading labs description of the diamond, probably a Princess, other square shape or branded cut with clipped corners. Can you check the depth percentage?
 
I generally love that shape, but that seems to be a VERY deep stone - I believe that a stone that size should face up more like a 5.6 x 5.6 mm. A stone that is that deep is not well cut, I hate to say. If you are saying that "it has to grow on you," you probably don''t love it. Is there any way that you can exchange it for something else? Maybe you can tell him that you love the ring, but wanted a different diamond shape ... let us know how it turns out ...
 
Just as a comparison here is one from GOG that shows quite a difference in the dimensions. GOG's stone are all well cut. Yours is facing up a bit small due to the depth. http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4923/
 
Hi Lorelei and vespergirl...

You nailed it. I thought it was rather deep, but thought that perhaps there was something peculiar to this shape of which I was not aware. I wanted an asscher... but we won''t talk about that.

I''ll try to talk to him about it again. We''ll see.
 
Date: 12/29/2008 3:07:49 PM
Author: swingirl
Just as a comparison here is one from GOG that shows quite a difference in the dimensions. GOG''s stone are all well cut. Yours is facing up a bit small due to the depth. http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4923/
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THANKS! This is very helpful!
 
If you don''t love the ring fess up now. I did - was honest from the start. There were hurt feelings, but it''s easier to correct it if you are still in the return time frame. And in all honesty you have to wear it everyday. You should love it! It took me technically 3 erings and 2 heads on the last one in order to get what I wanted. :) But we did it. Be honest now. My FI said he was glad I told him up front even though it hurt than for him to find out later.
 
Date: 12/29/2008 3:12:22 PM
Author: aprileubanks
Hi Lorelei and vespergirl...

You nailed it. I thought it was rather deep, but thought that perhaps there was something peculiar to this shape of which I was not aware. I wanted an asscher... but we won''t talk about that.

I''ll try to talk to him about it again. We''ll see.
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Hi April, First off, congrats on your engagement. A one carat stone is big and beautiful, and I think your FI probably thought that he nailed it when he picked out your stone.

However, if it were me, I would talk to him about it. I had a weird story with my engagement ring, where we ended up swapping my diamond, and I am MUCH happier now. Coincidentally, I had also REALLY wanted an asscher, but had never done any diamond research. When my husband proposed, he didn''t have a ring, because he wanted to take me shopping so I could pick it myself. I wanted to get a 1.5 ct asscher, because I thought that they would face up around 7.5 mm like a 1.5 ct RB (I had tried on round diamonds that size, and thought it looked perfect on my hand). When we were shopping, my husband kept thinking the asscher looked too small, but I was so happy to see an asscher on my hand I wasn''t paying attention and just had to have it right away.

Anyway, after setting the ring and getting it on my hand a few day slater, I noticed that the diamond looked much smaller than I thought it would, and started to do some research. What I didn''t know was that asschers face up the smallest of all the shapes, and mine was especially deep (around 72%), so my 1.64 ct asscher, that I thought would face up at 7.5 mm, actually faced up at 6.2 mm, around the same size as a .8 ct round.

I talked to my husband about it, and he was a little hurt (he liked rounds better than asschers to begin with, so he couldn''t believe that I didn''t like the ring that I picked myself). Anyway, over the next year, I ended up switching to a larger asccher, but ultimately just ended up trading to an RB, which has a nice, large spread and is very sparkly. I am now happy with my stone, and so glad that we swapped it. He still makes fun of me sometimes, but ultimately is happy that I am now happy with my ring (especially since I now have what he would have originally picked for me). We are also lucky that the store that we purchased from has a 100% trade-up policy, so I was able to change my mind without spending a lot of extra money.

I will just mention that asschers are gorgeous, but if you are interested in a stone appearing larger and sparklier, you may want to go with a round or elongated shape that is brilliant cut, or even an emerald cut, which faces up larger than an asscher. Even a princess or square radiant (what you have now) may appear larger than an asscher because they are brilliant cut. If you do decide to go with a square shape, try to stay under 70% depth. Good luck!
 
Well, we had a talk about it. It didn''t go very well. I''ll keep you all posted.
 
Date: 12/29/2008 3:29:36 PM
Author: aprileubanks
Well, we had a talk about it. It didn''t go very well. I''ll keep you all posted.
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I feel your pain. My first talk didn''t go very well either. Some hurt feelings and tears. I was especially hurt that I didn''t get to do the ring shopping that I''ve dreamed of doing for years. Give him some time. He will want you to be happy. It took my FI a few days but he thought about it when he was alone and ultimately his desire for me to be happy won out and we traded rings. I made the mistake of trying to keep him happy by keeping the same style of ring, but trading up to a larger total weight. After a week I fessed up that I was trying to stick with the same style that he took the time to choose for me, but that wasn''t what I wanted (which was a classic solitaire). So we returned that ring and I found PS and the rest is history. But just give him some time. And emphasize that you want to LOVE this ring. You want to look at it on your hand and smile that big smile. . . and show it off to everyone. My FI didn''t see the big smile I have when I get new jewelery that I LOVE! He didn''t see my desire to show off the ring. . . so he knew in his heart I wasn''t happy. He sees that I am now and the hurt feelings are a dim memory.
 
Date: 12/29/2008 3:44:06 PM
Author: hoofbeats95
Date: 12/29/2008 3:29:36 PM

Author: aprileubanks

Well, we had a talk about it. It didn''t go very well. I''ll keep you all posted.
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I feel your pain. My first talk didn''t go very well either. Some hurt feelings and tears. I was especially hurt that I didn''t get to do the ring shopping that I''ve dreamed of doing for years. Give him some time. He will want you to be happy. It took my FI a few days but he thought about it when he was alone and ultimately his desire for me to be happy won out and we traded rings. I made the mistake of trying to keep him happy by keeping the same style of ring, but trading up to a larger total weight. After a week I fessed up that I was trying to stick with the same style that he took the time to choose for me, but that wasn''t what I wanted (which was a classic solitaire). So we returned that ring and I found PS and the rest is history. But just give him some time. And emphasize that you want to LOVE this ring. You want to look at it on your hand and smile that big smile. . . and show it off to everyone. My FI didn''t see the big smile I have when I get new jewelery that I LOVE! He didn''t see my desire to show off the ring. . . so he knew in his heart I wasn''t happy. He sees that I am now and the hurt feelings are a dim memory.
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Thanks Hoof. I know that he wants me to be happy and I want both of us to be happy. I hope the second go-round goes better.
 
Date: 12/29/2008 4:08:18 PM
Author: aprileubanks



Thanks Hoof. I know that he wants me to be happy and I want both of us to be happy. I hope the second go-round goes better.
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It will go better. Give him a little time to think about it. Did he have any input from you in regards to the ring? Are you within the return period? If so it''s much easier to deal with it now. Point that out to him. I will say that my issues with my ering put a bit of a damper on the whole "we are engaged" atmosphere, but it was worth it to now have what I want. Emphasize that you didn''t want to hurt his feelings, but you also didn''t want to lie and say you love it! He will come around, I''m sure of it. He will also appreciate your honesty. I know mine was very grateful I was honest right away and he looks at it as a good sign of our relationship. Do you know what you want? I''d do the research and be prepared to present options. That is what I did. I told him I wanted to flat out return the ring and order a diamond from Whiteflash. Once I had the roadmap laid out for him he just followed my directions. Such a man huh?! So be ready to suggest what you''d like to do. Bring it up in a day or two again if he hasn''t.
 
Maybe try pointing out the depth issue, and that it''s making the diamond look smaller, thus not making the most of what he paid for. I hope it goes better next time and doesn''t come between you two...
 
@ Hoofbeats... He had my input. He asked what I liked and wanted - so I gave him information on the asscher, a list of places to go and get a decent one (three B&M, three online), along with 6 pics (all solitaire, all asshcer, all within budget). I''m simple and I tried to make it simple...


He knew I like solitaires, standard 4-prong, platinum... nothing fancy. I actually really like the band I ended up with. It''s a very simple platinum band.


One of my major issues is that he just bought it last week and can''t get his cash back. Exchange only. My second issue is that, other than the band I have now, I hate (or feel ambivalent about) everything that store had for sale.

He originally bought a knife''s edge band which we exchanged on Friday because after I slept in it, I wound up with bruises on my pinky and middle finger (I sleep on my hands). Plus the knife''s edge made my 6.25 finger look really chubby. So we went back to look for a band with a bit more width... and they didn''t have anything until one of the girls went and dug around for a while and found something that (for whatever reason) wasn''t originally for sale.

They don''t have any asschers at that location and they called their "warehouse" and their stock doesn''t have any asschers for near a carat that run anywhere near 4500. So I feel stuck.
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I don''t have much advice other than to say I feel your pain. I actually picked out my ring online (BN), per my now-husband''s request, and sent him the link to "give him an idea" of what I liked. This was pre-PS and I had no idea what I was doing. I''d never, ever worn a ring of any kind before! Shortly thereafter, the poor guy proposes with the exact ring I''d sent him the link to, and then I decide I''m not sure I like the ring. He knows me all too well and could sense I was having second thoughts. I looked around and didn''t find anything I liked better, plus by then it had sentimental value to me, so I kept it. If I had it to do over again I would pik a slightly different stone and setting, but at this point this ring is mine, ya know? Ah, my poor husband. LOL. Anyhow, I guess I''d say if you are going to make a switch, do it soon!
 
I would try to exchange the stone...it sounds like you can''t get an asscher, but perhaps an emerald cut would be nice? Or scrap the square idea and go with a classic ideal cut round. I love cut-cornered square shapes, but that depth is WAY too high, and the stone is likely to be dull and lifeless in real life.
 
Oh dang it! Well the lack of returning complicates things. Dang it. Maybe you can find a different shape stone. Maybe a regular princess even? What a bummer. I can''t believe there isn''t a return policy. Most stores are 30 days. Luckily my first ering had a 90 day return. Cause my FI bought it in Aug and propsed in Nov. We had to act fast! I can''t believe you bought it last week and can''t return it. Can you throw a stink and get your way? Can you exchange for a mounting only and get the stone elsewhere? Not sure if you''d find a mounting that you like even, but it''s a thought. Shoot. Keep us posted . . . and I hope your FI isn''t too upset anymore.
 
Date: 12/29/2008 10:08:54 PM
Author: hoofbeats95
Oh dang it! Well the lack of returning complicates things. Dang it. Maybe you can find a different shape stone. Maybe a regular princess even? What a bummer. I can''t believe there isn''t a return policy. Most stores are 30 days. Luckily my first ering had a 90 day return. Cause my FI bought it in Aug and propsed in Nov. We had to act fast! I can''t believe you bought it last week and can''t return it. Can you throw a stink and get your way? Can you exchange for a mounting only and get the stone elsewhere? Not sure if you''d find a mounting that you like even, but it''s a thought. Shoot. Keep us posted . . . and I hope your FI isn''t too upset anymore.
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This is their return/exchange policy:

For In-Store Purchases:
NO REFUNDS - 30 DAY EXCHANGES ONLY All returned checks are subject to a $10.00 service fee. All exchanges must be accompanied by the original sales receipt. Loose diamond exchange policy: After the 30 day exchange period, loose diamonds, only, may be exchanged for 80% of the original purchase price, provided that are returned undamaged. Please Click here to review our Terms & Conditions. No refunds or exchanges on custom orders. No refunds on over the counter purchases. 30 day exchange only.
from http://www.jewelryexchange.com/faq.aspx

This was not a place that was on the list I sent him. I wanted to go shopping with him - but he went on his own. I''m crestfallen - to say the least.
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Hey there. May I ask if your fiance gave any reason as to why he went elsewhere and purchased a different shape than what you requested? Maybe it''s just something he thought you''d like?
 
Date: 12/30/2008 12:21:15 AM
Author: wapila1
Hey there. May I ask if your fiance gave any reason as to why he went elsewhere and purchased a different shape than what you requested? Maybe it''s just something he thought you''d like?
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He thought he would get a better deal on the diamond at this place. He doesn''t know much about diamonds. As far as the shape - he thought I would like it because it''s square and the salesperson said it would be "more sparkly"

We''re heading over there tomorrow, primarily because the diamond somehow popped out of the setting. I took that as a chance to point out the depth issue and the deeper issue of him asking for my input and not acknowledging (unintentionally r otherwise) it in his purchase. He didn''t have too much to say. I think it hurt his feelings and I don''t think he understands why this is important to me - but I did my best.
 
The diamond popped out of the setting ??? Oh dear!!!
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I would personally take the opportunity to kick up a MASSIVE stink and demand a refund on faulty goods! Well Im in Australia and you can get a refund here if something is faulty. Hmmmmm

Good Luck
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I am so sorry that you are going through all this. I hope everything works out for you. Diamonds shouldn''t be popping out of their settings - complain complain complain!
 
Oh, I''m so sorry hear all this. I am familiar with the Jewlery Exchange - they have one in my area (near DC). I have a friend who got her ring there - she said that they did have a small selection of GIA stones, so maybe you can ask to see those, if you weren''t thrilled with what you mostly see there. She got a nice princess cut.

It may be hard to find an asscher there, but you could probably find a princess or emerald cut that you would like. Or, ask them if there''s any way that they can order or get an asscher for you that fits your requirements.

However, I think the fact that the diamond popped out of the setting after less than a week of wear speaks of faulty craftsmanship. If the ring is broken, you should be able to return it. I think that you need to be prepared to go in there, demand the manager, and then really give them hell. They may find you so unpleasant (if you act it up enough
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Please let us know how it goes, and good luck!
 
I would totally throw a stink out of this world! The diamond popped out?! UNEXCEPTABLE! I''d demand a refund. I''d clearly state that in NO WAY do you want anything from that store after this incident. And if other customers are in the store so much the better! I''m so sorry you are going through this. I know how you feel in regards to this ring. I was so disappointed with my first ering. I was propsed to while we were on vacation. The night after we returned I just stood in the shower crying because I didn''t know what to do. I didn''t like the ring. He didn''t ask for my thoughts on an ering at all (the proposal was totally unexpected). All he knew was white gold (as opposed to yellow cause I secretly wanted platinum) and princess cut. *shrug* I can''t imagine having provided input and then having that disregarded. I''m sure your feelings were hurt. I know mine were and he didn''t even know I had dreamed of going to look at rings. I''d try the best you can to get that ring returned and go out together and choose a new ring.
 
Do you like rounds? If so, why not ask to exchange for an Ideal cut round? You can take the specs for an Ideal cut round with you to the store (they are somewhere here on PS) so that you can maybe find a diamond within those specs. You can''t really do that with other shapes. Just a thought.
 
Date: 12/30/2008 2:47:41 AM
Author: aprileubanks


Date: 12/30/2008 12:21:15 AM
Author: wapila1
Hey there. May I ask if your fiance gave any reason as to why he went elsewhere and purchased a different shape than what you requested? Maybe it's just something he thought you'd like?
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He thought he would get a better deal on the diamond at this place. He doesn't know much about diamonds. As far as the shape - he thought I would like it because it's square and the salesperson said it would be 'more sparkly'

We're heading over there tomorrow, primarily because the diamond somehow popped out of the setting. I took that as a chance to point out the depth issue and the deeper issue of him asking for my input and not acknowledging (unintentionally r otherwise) it in his purchase. He didn't have too much to say. I think it hurt his feelings and I don't think he understands why this is important to me - but I did my best.
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Well, I have to say, I think a lot of guys might be sold on the "sparkly" argument. I agree with the others as far as taking the ring back and asking for a refund. If the stone really just popped out, it certainly sounds like your fiance was sold defective goods.
 
Okay. Here''s the deal everyone...

I failed to explain diamond popped out because it got caught on my pillowcase. Apparently - I shouldn''t have been wearing it to bed.

Took it back - final verdict was that I am "too rough" on the type of setting that I had and she exchanged it for a V-pronged setting. She also offered that perhaps I would like to choose another diamond because the one I had was a "pretty deep cut" and that perhaps too deep for the head.

We spent an hour looking at everything including rounds (that I don''t particularly care for) but they did not have any cuts in our price range that didn''t look like a small bomb had exploded in the stone. She offered to order something else from the warehouse which could take up to 2 weeks or I could go with a lower carat weight with more face. I ended up with a .75ct princess cut which faces up quite a bit larger than the original stone. No cash back and the extra 1000+ in a store credit.

I''m not happy but I guess I should just get over it.
 
I''m sorry you''re still not happy with the ring. Out of curiosity, what are the specs of your new princess? Would you mind posting some pictures? You might feel a little better with us PSers ooohing and aaahing over it!

If you''re still interested in Asscher cuts, could you do an Asscher eternity band or 5-stone band as your wedding band? Maybe something like this would look nice with your princess.
 
No, you should NOT just get over it! You should be able to be HAPPY about your ring. You did not want a radiant and you did not want a princess. I would go back to that place alone and tell them you are not happy and that your fiance did not pick out what you had said you preferred and that you will post either postive or negative feedback on PS depending on whether they give you a refund!!!

He should never have bought anything from a place with no return policy. Is that even legal? I thought all places at least had to give some kind of short return period.

I am terribly sorry this is causing such problems at a time you both wanted to be happy. But the ring issue needs to be fixed now because you''ll only regret it more later if you don''t change it. Tell them if they cannot get some well cut GIA certified asschers in that you insist on a refund. THEN, have them copy the asscher certs for you and provide pictures of the stones and come back and post them here. There are asscher experts who can tell you which is the best, if any.
 
I totally agree with diamondseeker2006, you need to be happy with this ring. You sound so sad about the whole situation which is awful, this should be a super happy time. I would go back to the store and insist on what you want. Not make do with a ring that you are not happy with.

Also, I don''t understand at all how they can state it is your fault the diamond popped out. What rubbish!

I think that should be grounds enought for getting your money back and starting the search over.
 
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