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cwj

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I asked this on someone else''s thread, but I would really appreciate any advice u can give.
Thanks,
cwj

Its funny to come across this post now, I have been concerned about my ins. coverage every since I had my stone remounted. Heres why: when the stone was purchased, years ago, in a retail store (like a mall) the center stone was graded G si2 2.01. My problem is when it was redone, it was reappraised. The people that did the work said they r all GIA trained. They graded very strick (I think), but reguardless, I feel they gave what they think is a GIA grade, and it most likely is closer, but I don''t get the Gia cert. that goes along with such tough grading. They went from the G si2 to a I I1. So now if something happens to this ring, the ins company will shop a I i1, not a GIA cert I i1. Who knows what I will end up with. Am I making any sense? Would this concern u, what do I need to do?

I am attaching a post from the link that was suggested about appaisals. This is exactly what I am worried about.



First a little background.
I work in the computer industry and deal with insurance companies often on behalf of our clients.
This is how it works the insurance companies have preferred providers and they will try and replace your computer with the lowest end computer that they can from that provider.
Usually it will be a dell in today’s computer world.
This works for a lot of people because it is a nice upgrade but for the special purpose user or a dedicated gamer it sucks.
The systems they want to shove on you wont come close to what you had.
For example we had a client with a $3000 tv production card in his computer that got hit by lightning and fried everything on it.
The $3000 was the current price he paid over $6000 for it.
They tried to force him to take a $2000 settlement or a dell of that value.
By having us explain to them in writing why it was not a just settlement he got enough money to get a system that had the card in it.
Now you ask what does this have to do with diamonds?
Well they work the same way if you have a claim and all you have is a picture of the setting and a piece of paper saying the diamond is a .5ct g si1 you will get the cheapest .5ct g si1 diamond their preferred provider can get.
For a mall store grade original that might be good enough.
But if you put your time in here before buying it’s a rip off.
You need the paperwork to prove it was something special and worth more than the cheapest stone they can get from their source.
The more paperwork the better off you are.
Keep in mind that the average insurance adjustor is likely not going to be a diamond expert and their job is to get you to go away as cheaply as possible.
The best way to get a fair settlement is to bury them in relevant paper and the paper has to be legit or its insurance fraud and you will do jail time.
Once the diamond is gone there is no way to get the needed paperwork for a fair replacement.


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Your insurance company should replace what you had.

Your diamond is a non certified I/I1, and should be replaced as such. You should also have a value at the bottom of the appraisal which your premium is based on.

This is why I discourage people from seeking out appraisers that will over-inflate the value on your appraisal.

Hopefully your appraisal contains more than just color, clarity and weight. There should hopefully be some diameter and depth measurements at the very least. The more information that is on your appraisal the better. This is what the insurance company should look at in terms of like-kind replacement.

You should ask your insurance company if you can go to the jeweler of your choice for replacement, or if they use their own "source" for the replacement diamond.

Being able to choose your own replacement diamond is a much better way to insure that you receive a fair replacement and that you are happy.

Talk to your insurance carrier about these questions as they should be able to walk you through the ins and outs of your specific policy.
 
Date: 3/30/2008 2:30:48 PM
Author: The Mole
Your insurance company should replace what you had.

Your diamond is a non certified I/I1, and should be replaced as such. You should also have a value at the bottom of the appraisal which your premium is based on.

This is why I discourage people from seeking out appraisers that will over-inflate the value on your appraisal.

Hopefully your appraisal contains more than just color, clarity and weight. There should hopefully be some diameter and depth measurements at the very least. The more information that is on your appraisal the better. This is what the insurance company should look at in terms of like-kind replacement.

You should ask your insurance company if you can go to the jeweler of your choice for replacement, or if they use their own ''source'' for the replacement diamond.

Being able to choose your own replacement diamond is a much better way to insure that you receive a fair replacement and that you are happy.

Talk to your insurance carrier about these questions as they should be able to walk you through the ins and outs of your specific policy.
I guess what I am asking is should I try to have this stone certified? If it is graded like a GIA now but no papers. Would the insurance company try to replace it will a mall equal stone, I mean I purchase this as a G, I can''t image what a mall stone that was already called an I would look like. Should I just take it to another jeweler and have it reappraisal. Or try to have it certified GIA and how would I go about doing that?

Thank for your help,
cwj
 
Date: 3/30/2008 3:44:56 PM
Author: cwj


Date: 3/30/2008 2:30:48 PM
Author: The Mole
Your insurance company should replace what you had.

Your diamond is a non certified I/I1, and should be replaced as such. You should also have a value at the bottom of the appraisal which your premium is based on.

This is why I discourage people from seeking out appraisers that will over-inflate the value on your appraisal.

Hopefully your appraisal contains more than just color, clarity and weight. There should hopefully be some diameter and depth measurements at the very least. The more information that is on your appraisal the better. This is what the insurance company should look at in terms of like-kind replacement.

You should ask your insurance company if you can go to the jeweler of your choice for replacement, or if they use their own 'source' for the replacement diamond.

Being able to choose your own replacement diamond is a much better way to insure that you receive a fair replacement and that you are happy.

Talk to your insurance carrier about these questions as they should be able to walk you through the ins and outs of your specific policy.
I guess what I am asking is should I try to have this stone certified? If it is graded like a GIA now but no papers. Would the insurance company try to replace it will a mall equal stone, I mean I purchase this as a G, I can't image what a mall stone that was already called an I would look like. Should I just take it to another jeweler and have it reappraisal. Or try to have it certified GIA and how would I go about doing that?

Thank for your help,
cwj

This is why you need to contact your insurance company and speak with your broker.

Ask your broker the following question:

1. "May I go to a jeweler to choose my replacement or do you (the insurance company) source a new diamond for me?"


Some insurance companies will source a replacement stone and send you what they deem is like kind. If you want to pick your own replacement diamond (which I highly recommend) you can be assured that your replacement diamond will closely resemble your current stone. This will also enable you to choose the jeweler that replaces the stone and not frequent a jeweler who you believe will grade the replacement stone liberally as in the case of your current stone.

I won't recommend sending your diamond to GIA for cert because it is already in a setting and bending the prongs to unset and then reset the stone is usually risky. GIA will only grade loose stones (Note: "loose" in this regard does not imply morally deficient
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If you do suffer a loss, and you would like your replacement diamond to be GIA certified, ask the insurance company if they have a "cash out" option. This will usually cause them to write you a check for the value of the lost stone which you can apply to the replacement stone and pay the difference for the upgrade. The reason that I say upgrade is becuase GIA certified diamonds tend to trade for a higher amount than non certified diamonds do.


hope this helps...
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Thanks for taking time to help me with this. I guess I''ll just pray nothing happens to this stone.
cwj
 
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