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Cosby conviction overturned

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www.cnn.com

June 30, 2021 Bill Cosby conviction overturned

Bill Cosby has been released from prison after the Pennsylvania State Supreme Court issued an opinion to vacate his conviction on sexual assault charges. Follow for the latest news.
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I can't believe it, ridiculous!
 
Gross, and disappointing.
 
I will wade in here and then jump out. This is not related to whether I think he is guilty or not. From a legal standpoint, with what happened with the prior DA and how they represented the deal to Cosby, I can see why the result was reached fairly easily. From a legal perspective, I do think it was the correct result (especially when you consider the implications of it as to the fifth amendment).
 
elizat said:
From a legal perspective, I do think it was the correct result (especially when you consider the implications of it as to the fifth amendment).
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^ No argument on that. It still galls that he'll be a free man. I can't imagine the additional emotional toll this will have on his victims.
 
As disgusting and morally corrupt as he is, the wife is even worse IMO. To stand by him after hearing the horrible acts he committed against women….she is vile.

I can’t imagine being married to him, she always has that smug look on her face too. Well maybe having to live with him again will wipe the smug off.
 
Matata said:
^ No argument on that. It still galls that he'll be a free man. I can't imagine the additional emotional toll this will have on his victims.
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Agree. It almost would have been better psychologically to not have a conviction and just the civil case maybe. I don't know. I think it will be very difficult for the victims to process- especially because the DA didn't tell them all of the information and they didn't know the terms of the deal made. It's a hard outcome for them, either way.
 
elizat said:
I will wade in here and then jump out. This is not related to whether I think he is guilty or not. From a legal standpoint, with what happened with the prior DA and how they represented the deal to Cosby, I can see why the result was reached fairly easily. From a legal perspective, I do think it was the correct result (especially when you consider the implications of it as to the fifth amendment).
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Process matters.
 
The scary thing is it exposed more than one bent prosecutor.
Not that anything will be done about it.
Which is more scary.
 
Absolutely sickening. Vomitous.
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How can justice be served when we cannot even get the process right?

Just like with all professions- accuracy and skill and caring matter.

If avoidable mistakes happen that is unforgivable.
There is no room for sloppiness and laziness or corrupt behavior in the court of law.

Only excellence and passion for justice should exist in those who are fighting for justice.

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I don't understand the legal loophole that let him off. Can someone explain it to me in plain English?

It's just unbelievable that someone with so many accusations against him can walk free. And he admitted to drugging the women! God, it's just...well, I think this demonstrates the utter contempt that our society holds for women, underneath the niceties. What, 33 victims? And they were DRUGGED? :angryfire:

Can you imagine how different the system would be if it was men who were constantly getting raped?
 
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@Jambalaya, I believe there were 60 women who came forward.
 
elizat said:
I will wade in here and then jump out. This is not related to whether I think he is guilty or not. From a legal standpoint, with what happened with the prior DA and how they represented the deal to Cosby, I can see why the result was reached fairly easily. From a legal perspective, I do think it was the correct result (especially when you consider the implications of it as to the fifth amendment).
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I read about it and agree. It’s horrific though. What I want to know is how did it get that far? If I’m doing the deposition he was promised not to be charged??
 
Jambalaya said:
I don't understand the legal loophole that let him off. Can someone explain it to me in plain English?

It's just unbelievable that someone with so many accusations against him can walk free. And he admitted to drugging the women! God, it's just...well, I think this demonstrates the utter contempt that our society holds for women, underneath the niceties. What, 33 victims? And they were DRUGGED? :angryfire:

Can you imagine how different the system would be if it was men who were constantly getting raped?
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www.nytimes.com

Bill Cosby’s Release From Prison, Explained (Published 2021)

Here is a breakdown of the legal issues surrounding a Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruling that abruptly let the disgraced entertainer out of prison.
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Fair summary.

In a nutshell, a deal was brokered by DA Castor that Cosby would not be prosecuted and had no risk of criminal charges. Cosby gave deposition testimony- four, I think- where he incriminated himself and the fifth amendment was never invoked once. After he settled the civil case, he was then prosecuted and the testimony he gave was used against him, contrary to the deal that was struck.

Process matters. Upholding agreements and stipulations matter when there is an exchange of constitutional protection for testimony (or for anything). Protecting fundamental rights that are the basis of system matter. He would have never testified and failed to invoke unless the deal had been brokered.
 
Mreader said:
I read about it and agree. It’s horrific though. What I want to know is how did it get that far? If I’m doing the deposition he was promised not to be charged??
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The NY times has a fair summary of it. The opinion is about 80 pages. It's a long read. But, yeah, you have it right. He was promised no prosecution by the DA and made admissions that were incriminating, then prosecuted by the successor DA. Essentially, bait and switch.

I do find it shocking that Cosby's attorneys did not get a formal written agreement of it though and hammer out terms- instead it was reliance on oral communication and a press release. That was then supported by the deposition of DA Castor later in pretrial lead up. It was honestly malpractice (in my view) to not get something so important documented properly and to allow your client to waive like that in not one, but four depos.
 
Calliecake said:
@Jambalaya, I believe there were 60 women who came forward.
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Oh, jeez. I just saw a figure of 33 when I quickly googled the case. Sixty. God. And you probably have to assume there are more, who don't want to come forward for whatever reason.
 
I thought this was a jewelry forum.
 
Did the first prosecutor say why he even made that agreement? That's the part I'm missing. This was a giant failure on that side as well as on the side of his attorneys for allowing him to incriminate himself without a written agreement not to prosecute, but the legal conclusion by the court was correct. Unfortunately it let a slime ball walk free.
 
Lookinagain said:
Did the first prosecutor say why he even made that agreement? That's the part I'm missing. This was a giant failure on that side as well as on the side of his attorneys for allowing him to incriminate himself without a written agreement not to prosecute, but the legal conclusion by the court was correct. Unfortunately it let a slime ball walk free.
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He thought there was insufficient evidence to prosecute. He thought he was doing the victim a service by essentially giving her the chance to do a civil suit.

If he would not have brokered the deal, he would have never testified at all or if he did he would have invoked the fifth amendment for almost everything aside from basic demographic information. By being told he was not going to be prosecuted, that gave her the ability to gather the evidence to support a civil suit against him and ultimately, a settlement.
 
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