Concern-unappraised diamond 1.04 G VS2 not sure about price-

[Marie_99]

I am currently about to purchase a diamond from a jeweler that has a diamond 1.04, VS2, G color, and with a medium fluorescence. it measures some where around 6.38*6.39*4.00mm. He said that he bought a piece of stone and had it cut, but has not had it appraised. He is GIA certified and he is a graduate in that field. I would really like for it to be appraised by GIA since the cost is not that much. I have looked online to see the cost more or less. The diamond is being sold to me for 5,000. I feel that that is a deal to good to be true. Please what do you guys suggest. I already brought it up and the jeweler said he will do a whole report similar to GIA. I don't want to insult him, but my gut tells me to send it to GIA. I asked him how much to send it GIA and he said 300 which I had already contacted them and it's 1.00-1.49 100.00 to get it appraised. I really need some suggestions.

 

[AprilBaby]

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I would be real concerned about buying a diamond without knowing exactly what I was getting. The seller can tell you the diamond is whatever he decides he wants it to be. You should have an independent appraisal and if you want it sent to GIA he should accommodate. He should have nothing to lose if he is sure of his estimate. Move your question to Rocky talk for more answers

 

[Amys Bling]

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tell him that you would like a GIA certified stone. This stone is perfect, and you would like to pay to have it sent to GIA for certification. If he says no, and you are uncomfortable buy it- DON"T. This is a major purchase and you should get what you want- and what you paid for- and be happy with it.

 

[kenny]

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GIA does not "certify" people or diamonds.
They train people and grade diamonds.
After the full GIA training the person is a GG, or Graduate in Gemology.
On the back page of every GIA report the fine print makes it clear they are not "certifying" anything.

The GG still has to follow his/her conscience.
GIA does not stand behind or certify the grades that their GGs issue out in the field.

I would not buy the diamond without the GIA report.
I doubt it will come back with those grades if he is charging that price.
Good luck.

As you said, GIA charges $100 not $300 for a full grading report; the abbreviated one, Diamond Dossier, is $81.
Show him the below link.

I do not get a good feeling from this person and would proceed with caution.
I'd offer to pay the $100 for the GIA grading with the understanding you have no obligation to buy the stone regardless of what the report says.

Then if it comes back with those grades I'd buy it at his price.
I suspect it will come back with lower grades.
If it comes back with the same grades he'll try to raise the price.
People who make their living selling diamonds are not stupid, but people buying them often are.
You are smart by doing your homework here.

http://www.gia.edu/lab-reports-services/fees_payment/lab_fees/USD_feeschedule_Diamond_081210.pdf

 

[Amys Bling]

Re: Concern-unappraised diamond 1.04 G VS2 not sure about pr

GIA does not "certify" people or diamonds.
They train people and grade diamonds.
After the full GIA training the person is a GG, or Graduate in Gemology.
On the back page of every GIA report the fine print makes it clear they are not "certifying" anything.

The GG still has to follow his/her conscience.
GIA does not stand behind or certify the grades that their GGs issue out in the field.

I would not buy the diamond without the GIA report.
I doubt it will come back with those grades if he is charging that price.
Good luck.

As you said, GIA charges $100 not $300 for a full grading report; the abbreviated one, Diamond Dossier, is $81.
Show him the below link.

I do not get a good feeling from this person and would proceed with caution.
I'd offer to pay the $100 for the GIA grading with the understanding you have no obligation to buy the stone regardless of what the report says.

Then if it comes back with those grades I'd buy it at his price.
I suspect it will come back with lower grades.
If it comes back with the same grades he'll try to raise the price.
People who make their living selling diamonds are not stupid, but people buying them often are.
You are smart by doing your homework here.http://www.gia.edu/lab-reports-services/fees_payment/lab_fees/USD_feeschedule_Diamond_081210.pdf

i strongly ditto kenny!

 

[RockHugger]

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This is the 2 d time in a week I have heard someone refer to buyers as 'stupid' or 'idiot'. Can we please refrain from tagging buyers who are not diamond savvy as stupid? There are alot of people out there who are very intelligent (doctors, lawyers, ect) who don't know what a VS diamond is or even what GIA is. It's really bothering me.

 

[Chris-at-ERD]

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This is the 2 d time in a week I have heard someone refer to buyers as 'stupid' or 'idiot'. Can we please refrain from tagging buyers who are not diamond savvy as stupid? There are alot of people out there who are very intelligent (doctors, lawyers, ect) who don't know what a VS diamond is or even what GIA is. It's really bothering me.

I do not believe that this is what was implied but rather the opposite in hopes for educating consumers to make more informed decisions..

 

[risingsun]

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This is the 2 d time in a week I have heard someone refer to buyers as 'stupid' or 'idiot'. Can we please refrain from tagging buyers who are not diamond savvy as stupid? There are alot of people out there who are very intelligent (doctors, lawyers, ect) who don't know what a VS diamond is or even what GIA is. It's really bothering me.

We have discussed people being uninformed and taken advantage of by diamond flippers.

 

[RockHugger]

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Huh? Was talking about calling people stupid or idiot for not knowing about diamonds. Nothingg about diamond flipping or buying from diamond flippers.

I don't see how saying people who buy diamonds are stupid is helping inform.
How ever it was intended I am sure I am not the only o e who would read into these negative statements and be insulted, not to mention anew reader who DOESNT know about diamonds and is trying to learn.

Call me strange if you want, but as a business owner, I am insulted to hear those words being used to describe customers.

 

[Marie_99]

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Thanks everyone for the feedback. I have decided to let the jeweler know that I will only buy a certified diamond and have asked for him to send it off to GIA. He said that would take to long and he has someone else that is willing to pay more for it uncertified. He now has a GIA certified diamond 1.06 SI2 G color for 5,100. I am actually looking at it tomorrow. I would like to clarify that the cost to send it to GIA is 100, but the sending it off insured and getting it back comes closer to 200.00 Anyhow, thanks everyone for your help.

 

[Rockdiamond]

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I agree with Rockhugger that it's s a shame to use such characterizations such as "stupid"

Marie- it's also a a shame that your seller seemed to use a very questionable tactic regarding the stone you first looked at.
He's also not "GIA Certified"- no one is. Neither does GIA "appraise" stones- rather they issue identification reports.
I'd also be very skeptical about a seller who claims to have bought a price of rough that cut into a 1ct round diamond- that sounds very .....let's say unusual.
Of course this is not your fault- because it sounds a bit like a high pressure sales tactics. I think you're being very kind.....honestly it sounds more like he has no problem insulting you.....

 

[risingsun]

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Huh? Was talking about calling people stupid or idiot for not knowing about diamonds. Nothingg about diamond flipping or buying from diamond flippers.

I don't see how saying people who buy diamonds are stupid is helping inform.
How ever it was intended I am sure I am not the only o e who would read into these negative statements and be insulted, not to mention anew reader who DOESNT know about diamonds and is trying to learn.

Call me strange if you want, but as a business owner, I am insulted to hear those words being used to describe customers.

What I think we have here is a case of situational ethics.

 

[RockHugger]

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No, what I think we have here is someone who wants to pick a fight by bringing up unrelated topics she has issues with, and then me, who has better things to do. please stop.

I said what I needed to say about the words said. If you have something to say about another topic, please post it In the appropriate thread, or scream it into a pillow.

 

[LALove]

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Hi Marie

Not sure if you're still following this thread... but this line you wrote makes me leery of using this jeweler:

" I have decided to let the jeweler know that I will only buy a certified diamond and have asked for him to send it off to GIA. He said that would take to long and he has someone else that is willing to pay more for it uncertified."

The fact that he did not want to send it to GIA is a red flag to me. It tells me that he knows it's going to come back with grade(s) lower than what he was telling you it is. If that's the case, you're not dealing with an ethical jeweler.

But I do not know him/her and maybe he/she's not trying to pull a fast one.. Still, to ensure you're getting what you're paying for, I'd definitely use the "diamond search" tool here and plug in the same specs as this new G SI2 (including cut) to ensure it's a fair deal.

I'd also post at least the cert info here for opinions.

Good luck!

 

[risingsun]

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RockHugger~

I believe my post is relevant to this thread. I told you in the other thread that, on this site, people help those who are uniformed about diamonds how to avoid being mislead by a seller, especially on ebay. You are unhappy with the words used to describe these consumers. I would use uninformed or uneducated, myself. Given that you do flip diamonds, however, aren't you looking for that same demographic to sell your own diamonds? Your protest seemed a bit disingenuous to me. I have no desire to start a fight with you. We do disagree, but that is not the same as fighting. I think I will, however, pass on your suggestion to scream into my pillow

 

[RockHugger]

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Seriously? Just out of curiosity, how many diamond dealers do you know that don't sell diamonds for more then they buy them for.
Have I sold to you? Have I sold to your friends? How do you know, how I sell, what i sell, or what kind of people I sell to. If your going to pass judgement on me, you should have some serious facts to back it up.

You have some weird obsession about my business and have this twisted theory like I am selling glass to people saying they are diamonds.

I pride myself in educating customers about diamonds, and not only print out information from my GIA books and give to potential customers, I have also printed out said information and given it to my 'competition' sales staff (locally and when I lived in my previous state) because they were not formally trained. Why? Because I have serious issues with mis information. I also volunteer at gem shows and speak with customers solely to inform with no pay.

You really really need to stop whatever obsession you have towards my business because I resell diamonds and gemstones and 'gasp' make a profit. It's getting past the point of obnoxious.


By the way,I have sold diamonds and stones to quite a few psers, and last I checked I have had no complaints on this board. I don't see these people as uneducated or misinformed. Infact I prefer those who know about stones because it makes my job a ton easier not having to educate. You may be ok or prefer paying retail for a stone (nothing wrong with that, personal preference), but I know many people who would rather buy an identical one for 50% less.

I will not say another word about this subject in less you come to me with some evidence that backs up what you say. The next time you slander my business without any evidence I am doing what you say, the mods will be contacted.

 

[Dancing Fire]

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By the way,I have sold diamonds and stones to quite a few psers, and last I checked I have had no complaints on this board. I don't see these people as uneducated or misinformed. Infact I prefer those who know about stones because it makes my job a ton easier not having to educate. You may be ok or prefer paying retail for a stone (nothing wrong with that, personal preference), but I know many people who would rather buy an identical one for 50% less.

RH...can you sell me an AGS 0 cut H&A G SI1 2.5ct for $16K ...

 

[risingsun]

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Seriously? Just out of curiosity, how many diamond dealers do you know that don't sell diamonds for more then they buy them for.
Have I sold to you? Have I sold to your friends? How do you know, how I sell, what i sell, or what kind of people I sell to. If your going to pass judgement on me, you should have some serious facts to back it up.

You have some weird obsession about my business and have this twisted theory like I am selling glass to people saying they are diamonds.

I pride myself in educating customers about diamonds, and not only print out information from my GIA books and give to potential customers, I have also printed out said information and given it to my 'competition' sales staff (locally and when I lived in my previous state) because they were not formally trained. Why? Because I have serious issues with mis information. I also volunteer at gem shows and speak with customers solely to inform with no pay.

You really really need to stop whatever obsession you have towards my business because I resell diamonds and gemstones and 'gasp' make a profit. It's getting past the point of obnoxious.


By the way,I have sold diamonds and stones to quite a few psers, and last I checked I have had no complaints on this board. I don't see these people as uneducated or misinformed. Infact I prefer those who know about stones because it makes my job a ton easier not having to educate. You may be ok or prefer paying retail for a stone (nothing wrong with that, personal preference), but I know many people who would rather buy an identical one for 50% less.

I will not say another word about this subject in less you come to me with some evidence that backs up what you say. The next time you slander my business without any evidence I am doing what you say, the mods will be contacted.

I do not have a weird obession with your business. I was dismayed that the education you chose to give a newcomer was how to turn a profit through buying and selling what she described as a cheap, ugly diamond for a profit. First of all, my question was how could you [or she] sell such a diamond without misrepresenting it. Second, I would have hoped that someone who was knowledgeable in diamonds would have given her the education to steer clear of this stone. By your own admission, you flip stones. I did not make that up. I am only addressing the comments that you have made. I would have been happy to have a civil discussion with you, but when you added the histrionics, it was not possible to do so. I have explained my concerns to you several times. I find it difficult to follow your train of thought, so I will not post about your business again. I just have one more question. How do PSers know your ebay account name. We are not permitted to share that information on this forum? No need to report me. This entire conversation has already been reported.

 

[RockHugger]

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I think I said I'm done with the conversation. Please let it go.

 

[risingsun]

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I think I said I'm done with the conversation. Please let it go.

Consider it gone.

 

[MyDiamondSparkles]

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Hi Marie,

Are you able to get the seller agree to send the diamond to a GIA appraiser of your choice? You don't actually have to send it off to GIA, you can get a GIA trained/ graduate appraiser locally--- I believe mine charges $40 for a quick version/more like an insurance apprasial of value. And $80 for a more detalied appraisal inlcuding color, clarity, dimmensions, a plot/ map of the inlcusions and all of that. Mine is a GIA/ AGS appraiser.

Good luck with your purchase.

MyDiaomndSparkles

 

[Rockdiamond]

Re: Concern-unappraised diamond 1.04 G VS2 not sure about pr

Hi Marie,

Are you able to get the seller agree to send the diamond to a GIA appraiser of your choice? You don't actually have to send it off to GIA, you can get a GIA trained/ graduate appraiser locally--- I believe mine charges $40 for a quick version/more like an insurance apprasial of value. And $80 for a more detalied appraisal inlcuding color, clarity, dimmensions, a plot/ map of the inlcusions and all of that. Mine is a GIA/ AGS appraiser.

Good luck with your purchase.

MyDiaomndSparkles

Sorry, but this is very bad advice.
An appraisal- no matter who writes it- is NOTHING like a GIA report.
If someone is calling themselves "A GIA/AGS appraiser" they are seriously misleading you.
In fact, they should be telling you exactly what I am- or I'd question their integrity.

 

[MyDiamondSparkles]

Re: Concern-unappraised diamond 1.04 G VS2 not sure about pr

Hi Marie,

Are you able to get the seller agree to send the diamond to a GIA appraiser of your choice? You don't actually have to send it off to GIA, you can get a GIA trained/ graduate appraiser locally--- I believe mine charges $40 for a quick version/more like an insurance apprasial of value. And $80 for a more detalied appraisal inlcuding color, clarity, dimmensions, a plot/ map of the inlcusions and all of that. Mine is a GIA/ AGS appraiser.

Good luck with your purchase.

MyDiaomndSparkles

Sorry, but this is very bad advice.
An appraisal- no matter who writes it- is NOTHING like a GIA report.
If someone is calling themselves "A GIA/AGS appraiser" they are seriously misleading you.
In fact, they should be telling you exactly what I am- or I'd question their integrity.

I am starting to feel like there is a case of the "Christmas Crankies" going on at this forum.

I am probably not wording things correctly, as to what my appraiser's exact certification or whatever you want to call it is...but they are not misleading me and there is no need to question their integrity either. I don't think I need to research and carefully calculate all of my words here on this forum either or that only experts can give thier opinion. It's getting ridiculous, seriously. Not everyone wants or can afford or even has the means or time available to send their diamond to GIA. So hiring a local GIA trained/ graduate/ appraiser or whatever you want to call them/ the proper name for them is fine in my book, even if it isn't in yours. It sounded to me like the original poster wanted a few opinions here and perhaps a few options..which is exactly what I gave.

 

[denverappraiser]

Re: Concern-unappraised diamond 1.04 G VS2 not sure about pr

Hi Marie,

Are you able to get the seller agree to send the diamond to a GIA appraiser of your choice? You don't actually have to send it off to GIA, you can get a GIA trained/ graduate appraiser locally--- I believe mine charges $40 for a quick version/more like an insurance apprasial of value. And $80 for a more detalied appraisal inlcuding color, clarity, dimmensions, a plot/ map of the inlcusions and all of that. Mine is a GIA/ AGS appraiser.

Good luck with your purchase.

MyDiaomndSparkles

Sorry, but this is very bad advice.
An appraisal- no matter who writes it- is NOTHING like a GIA report.
If someone is calling themselves "A GIA/AGS appraiser" they are seriously misleading you.
In fact, they should be telling you exactly what I am- or I'd question their integrity.

I agree, an appraisal is not the same thing as a GIA grading report and they do NOT serve the same purpose. I point this out from the position of one who makes a living as an appraiser. There is NO SUCH THING as a GIA appraiser. GIA is a college for gemology, which is the art and science of grading gemstones. They don’t even teach appraising, which is the art and science of evaluating the relationship between property and markets. This isn’t even part of the curriculum. Unfortunately, merely being a GIA graduate does not even make someone a skilled and properly equipped gemologist, much less an appraiser and each expert you are considering relying on should be considered on their own merits.

For what it’s worth, AGS DOES train and certify appraisers and AGS member stores do sometimes have someone who could be correctly described as an AGS appraiser. They list their member firms as well as their titleholders on the AGS website at www.americangemsociety.org.. I would give the same disclaimer about AGS credentials as the above and suggest that each should stand or fall on their own merits and they should be happy to discuss their credentials, qualifications and fees with you if you ask. They are not all equal.

 

[denverappraiser]

Re: Concern-unappraised diamond 1.04 G VS2 not sure about pr

Hi Marie,

Are you able to get the seller agree to send the diamond to a GIA appraiser of your choice? You don't actually have to send it off to GIA, you can get a GIA trained/ graduate appraiser locally--- I believe mine charges $40 for a quick version/more like an insurance apprasial of value. And $80 for a more detalied appraisal inlcuding color, clarity, dimmensions, a plot/ map of the inlcusions and all of that. Mine is a GIA/ AGS appraiser.

Good luck with your purchase.

MyDiaomndSparkles

Sorry, but this is very bad advice.
An appraisal- no matter who writes it- is NOTHING like a GIA report.
If someone is calling themselves "A GIA/AGS appraiser" they are seriously misleading you.
In fact, they should be telling you exactly what I am- or I'd question their integrity.

I am starting to feel like there is a case of the "Christmas Crankies" going on at this forum.

I am probably not wording things correctly, as to what my appraiser's exact certification or whatever you want to call it is...but they are not misleading me and there is no need to question their integrity either. I don't think I need to research and carefully calculate all of my words here on this forum either or that only experts can give thier opinion. It's getting ridiculous, seriously. Not everyone wants or can afford or even has the means or time available to send their diamond to GIA. So hiring a local GIA trained/ graduate/ appraiser or whatever you want to call them/ the proper name for them is fine in my book, even if it isn't in yours. It sounded to me like the original poster wanted a few opinions here and perhaps a few options..which is exactly what I gave.

T'aint Christmas crankies. Confusion between GIA lab and GIA trained 'appraisers' is the heart of a huge amount of confusion in this industry. Having a GG or not doesn't make your grader wrong, but it doesn't make them right either. It's rather like the misconception that GIA 'certifies' things (either gems or gemologists). By all means if you find them reliable then rely on them, but understand that you are relying on THEM, not GIA. This may seem like a trivial matter of semantics but it's the heart of a rather serious and widely held misunderstanding that leads to some big headaches for shoppers.

 

[Rockdiamond]

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Hi MDS- I think the main goal here on PS is consumer advocacy.
There's a big problem out there- that being confusion over what a "certified stone" is.
In fact, the term "certified" is really misleading. GIA objects to the use of the term as it implies some sort of guarantee.
What GIA does is issue a report identifying the diamond's color, clarity , weight- and other vital info. They don't "guarantee" the grade, but the trade uses this info to assign a value to diamonds.
Since a G/SI1 is worth considerably more than an H/SI2 ( for example), the specifics are vital, if one wants to know what they are getting.
Although GIA wants to keep things clear, by not using the term "certified", there is total clarity in the trade.
If a diamond does not have a GIA ( or AGSL) report, the grade is not considered valid- that includes grades issued by GIA graduates.
The reason I'm so vigilant is that there's (obviously) a lot of misunderstanding out there.
If the person who appraised your diamond led you to believe that the paper they gave you was, in any way, equivalent to a GIA report, that's very misleading.
Another reason for my vigilance is that if we want to find "the bad guys" out there- meaning sellers who are misrepresenting diamonds, the use of non GIA reports is one of the most common offenses. And it's rampant.

Since both trade members, and consumers are active here, there's benefit to all.
For trade members, it's having our name seen- For consumers, it's cutting through a lot of misinformation- such as the confusion about reports.
Hence my post.
I did not mean to offend you- I'm sure your intention was good- but knowing the scoop may help you , and others in the future.

ETA- Neil and I posted at the same time.
Great posts Neil
Neil happens to be one of the most highly thought of appraisers in the industry.

 

[risingsun]

Re: Concern-unappraised diamond 1.04 G VS2 not sure about pr

Hi Marie,

Are you able to get the seller agree to send the diamond to a GIA appraiser of your choice? You don't actually have to send it off to GIA, you can get a GIA trained/ graduate appraiser locally--- I believe mine charges $40 for a quick version/more like an insurance apprasial of value. And $80 for a more detalied appraisal inlcuding color, clarity, dimmensions, a plot/ map of the inlcusions and all of that. Mine is a GIA/ AGS appraiser.

Good luck with your purchase.

MyDiaomndSparkles

Sorry, but this is very bad advice.
An appraisal- no matter who writes it- is NOTHING like a GIA report.
If someone is calling themselves "A GIA/AGS appraiser" they are seriously misleading you.
In fact, they should be telling you exactly what I am- or I'd question their integrity.

RD has given you excellent advice. In addition, if you ever want to sell or trade in this stone, it will be much more difficult without it having been graded by a reputable lab, such as AGS or GIA.

Neil~ I just saw your post and wanted to thank you, too. As much as we try to provide education on this site, I have noticed a group of people who are attempting to respond to these questions, without the knowledge to do so. This is particularly frustrating when we are just trying to help them. It's not the Christmas crankies that are going on here. We are trying to help you make more educated choices. As noted before, this is a consumer advocacy site.

 

[denverappraiser]

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Neil happens to be one of the most highly thought of appraisers in the industry.

And I happen to be both a GIA-GG and an AGS certified gemologist appraiser.

 

[Marie_99]

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My plans today is to go look at this diamond that the jeweler said he has coming in from another city (GIA certified, G color, SI2, and 1.06, and excellant cut. I do believe the jeweler is starting to lose his patience with me. Not sure if I let you guys know, but after the whole uncertified situation he called me back the next day and said that we had SI2, H color, GIA certified, and very good cuts for 5,000. I don't know how this happened that when we first decided on a SI2, E color, GIA certified, and with a very good cut for 5,000 we jumped all the way to an H color for the same price. According to the jeweler he said he got the E color diamond for a good price, so he was passing that good deal on to us. Why do I feel he is losing his patience with me? Well he called me about the G color SI2 diamond, and I said I would be willing to look at it. The jeweler responded with, well I have to pay overnight shipping cost and have to wire him money because I guess someone else burned this jeweler before. He made me feel bad, but I responded to him if it's too much of inconvenience then don't have the diamond come in. He then said that he would have it come in and I reponded that I can't commit to a diamond that I have never seen. He also said that the jeweler that has the diamond is wanting to sell it for 5,300, but has agreed to sell it for 5,100. Question to everyone: If the jeweler I am dealing with is paying 5,100 for the diamond and selling it to me for the same price...why would he even go through all the trouble if he is not making any money on it?????????????????????

I would walk away if I could because I don't think this process should be this stressful. I know that I am a tough customer to please, but I just want to make sure that I am getting a fair price. This jeweler has made my ring from scratch and I have put down 2,000 out of the 7,200. My receipt does say final, so I guess I'm out of luck. I would really like to appreciate all of you that are taking the time to respond to my post.

Do all of you think that if I go in today and see the diamond that is GIA certified, would it be insulting of my part to ask for the GIA report number?????

 

[tyty333]

Re: Concern-unappraised diamond 1.04 G VS2 not sure about pr

My plans today is to go look at this diamond that the jeweler said he has coming in from another city (GIA certified, G color, SI2, and 1.06, and excellant cut. I do believe the jeweler is starting to lose his patience with me. Not sure if I let you guys know, but after the whole uncertified situation he called me back the next day and said that we had SI2, H color, GIA certified, and very good cuts for 5,000. I don't know how this happened that when we first decided on a SI2, E color, GIA certified, and with a very good cut for 5,000 we jumped all the way to an H color for the same price. According to the jeweler he said he got the E color diamond for a good price, so he was passing that good deal on to us. Why do I feel he is losing his patience with me? Well he called me about the G color SI2 diamond, and I said I would be willing to look at it. The jeweler responded with, well I have to pay overnight shipping cost and have to wire him money because I guess someone else burned this jeweler before. He made me feel bad, but I responded to him if it's too much of inconvenience then don't have the diamond come in. He then said that he would have it come in and I reponded that I can't commit to a diamond that I have never seen. He also said that the jeweler that has the diamond is wanting to sell it for 5,300, but has agreed to sell it for 5,100. Question to everyone: If the jeweler I am dealing with is paying 5,100 for the diamond and selling it to me for the same price...why would he even go through all the trouble if he is not making any money on it?????????????????????

I would walk away if I could because I don't think this process should be this stressful. I know that I am a tough customer to please, but I just want to make sure that I am getting a fair price. This jeweler has made my ring from scratch and I have put down 2,000 out of the 7,200. My receipt does say final, so I guess I'm out of luck. I would really like to appreciate all of you that are taking the time to respond to my post.

Do all of you think that if I go in today and see the diamond that is GIA certified, would it be insulting of my part to ask for the GIA report number?????

Absolutely not...its your duty as an informed buyer spending big bucks to get the GIA number so you can determine if it is
a well performing stone or a dog! If he is insulted then you need to find a way to get your money back and start over.

When you get the gia number post it here so we can take a look at it.

What do you mean that he had made you a ring from scratch? Without having picked out the center stone? Usually you settle
on the center stone then order or have the ring made to fit the stone.