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Choices for Victor Canera Emilya Cushion Double Edge Halo with Round Center

adam2433

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After a lot of research, in person browsing/shopping for ideas and reading on here I have opted to go with Victor Canera for a cushion double edge halo with a round center stone. Here is the setting from Victor's site.

https://www.victorcanera.com/rings/the-emilya-with-cushion-two-row-pave-halo#cmp=egrt&p_key=a0602b

My next decision which I am seeking Nicholas's help as well as thoughts from the forum is whether to go with a double or triple row pave band. The double is as seen above and triple would be like the following

https://www.victorcanera.com/rings/...e-with-old-european-cut#cmp=egrt&p_key=a0602b

My concern is that the third row of pave would rub with a wedding band especially if it is a triple row pave band. I think as a stand alone ring triple row would shine even more. My gf is in healthcare and with gloves on frequently would likely only be wearing her wedding band to work. For this reason a triple row pave band would also look great stand alone. But she has also stated when off or out she would prefer to wear both. Would a small spacer suffice in keeping the pave safe without being too large or is the risk of damaging the pave overstated when word together? Could the pave be done on just one side of each band so as the sides that face each other are bare?

Lastly, I have looked at Brian Gavin Black or Signature (whom I purchased BG Black earrings and a BG Signature halo pendant for her), WhiteFlash ACA or Victor's AGS stone or Canera European Round. Below are the stones I have it narrowed to. My budget is $25,000ish and Nicholas gave a ballpark price of $3,500 for the setting with slightly more if I go 3 row pave. So that leaves about $21,000ish for a center stone. All stones are Ideal Cut, Symmetry, Polish and Light Performance with Zero Fluorescence and very close to Tolkowsky's Ideal Diamond Cut.

BG Black 1.738 F VS-2 $22,845
https://www.briangavindiamonds.com/.../1.738-f-vs2-round-diamond-bkags-104089113007

BG Signature 1.722 G SI-1 $18,939
https://www.briangavindiamonds.com/...ls/1.732-g-si1-round-diamond-ags-104065663001

Victor Canera Canera European Cut 1.492 F SI1 $16,879
https://www.victorcanera.com/diamon...imated-old-european-cut#cmp=egrt&p_key=a0602b

WF ACA 2.39 H SI-1 $22,698
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2994225.htm

WF ACA 2.118 H SI-1 $20,327
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3634195.htm

WF seems to have more options than BG however I admittedly have never purchased from them though see they are highly recommended here. I am slightly leery that I can get a larger 4 Ideal stone from them for a better price than BG. I know the lab reports are there and perhaps they have more leeway with a larger inventory but just thought I would check.

I'd like to go as close to 2ct as possible even if I have to go a tad over budget. But I don't want to compromise quality or brilliance so if I have to go 1.75ct so be it. For reference she wears a size 5. The 1.75is stones seem to be around 7.75mm, 2ct 8mm and the 2.39 is 8.61. Obviously there is a discernible difference between the 1.75 and 2.39. She tried on a 1.3 and 2.0 and liked the 2.0 best. Would 1.75 be a great happy medium with a nice sized center stone plus a halo for more coverage? Would the 2.39 plus halo be overkill and gaudy on her finger?

If only because of my familiarity with BG and having purchased Black stones from him before I am inclined to feel most comfortable with the first stone but trust the judgement of the much more knowledgeable folks on here for some guidance.

Thanks in advance.
 

Matthews1127

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After a lot of research, in person browsing/shopping for ideas and reading on here I have opted to go with Victor Canera for a cushion double edge halo with a round center stone. Here is the setting from Victor's site.

https://www.victorcanera.com/rings/the-emilya-with-cushion-two-row-pave-halo#cmp=egrt&p_key=a0602b

My next decision which I am seeking Nicholas's help as well as thoughts from the forum is whether to go with a double or triple row pave band. The double is as seen above and triple would be like the following

https://www.victorcanera.com/rings/...e-with-old-european-cut#cmp=egrt&p_key=a0602b

My concern is that the third row of pave would rub with a wedding band especially if it is a triple row pave band. I think as a stand alone ring triple row would shine even more. My gf is in healthcare and with gloves on frequently would likely only be wearing her wedding band to work. For this reason a triple row pave band would also look great stand alone. But she has also stated when off or out she would prefer to wear both. Would a small spacer suffice in keeping the pave safe without being too large or is the risk of damaging the pave overstated when word together? Could the pave be done on just one side of each band so as the sides that face each other are bare?

Lastly, I have looked at Brian Gavin Black or Signature (whom I purchased BG Black earrings and a BG Signature halo pendant for her), WhiteFlash ACA or Victor's AGS stone or Canera European Round. Below are the stones I have it narrowed to. My budget is $25,000ish and Nicholas gave a ballpark price of $3,500 for the setting with slightly more if I go 3 row pave. So that leaves about $21,000ish for a center stone. All stones are Ideal Cut, Symmetry, Polish and Light Performance with Zero Fluorescence and very close to Tolkowsky's Ideal Diamond Cut.

BG Black 1.738 F VS-2 $22,845
https://www.briangavindiamonds.com/.../1.738-f-vs2-round-diamond-bkags-104089113007

BG Signature 1.722 G SI-1 $18,939
https://www.briangavindiamonds.com/...ls/1.732-g-si1-round-diamond-ags-104065663001

Victor Canera Canera European Cut 1.492 F SI1 $16,879
https://www.victorcanera.com/diamon...imated-old-european-cut#cmp=egrt&p_key=a0602b

WF ACA 2.39 H SI-1 $22,698
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2994225.htm

WF ACA 2.118 H SI-1 $20,327
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3634195.htm

WF seems to have more options than BG however I admittedly have never purchased from them though see they are highly recommended here. I am slightly leery that I can get a larger 4 Ideal stone from them for a better price than BG. I know the lab reports are there and perhaps they have more leeway with a larger inventory but just thought I would check.

I'd like to go as close to 2ct as possible even if I have to go a tad over budget. But I don't want to compromise quality or brilliance so if I have to go 1.75ct so be it. For reference she wears a size 5. The 1.75is stones seem to be around 7.75mm, 2ct 8mm and the 2.39 is 8.61. Obviously there is a discernible difference between the 1.75 and 2.39. She tried on a 1.3 and 2.0 and liked the 2.0 best. Would 1.75 be a great happy medium with a nice sized center stone plus a halo for more coverage? Would the 2.39 plus halo be overkill and gaudy on her finger?

If only because of my familiarity with BG and having purchased Black stones from him before I am inclined to feel most comfortable with the first stone but trust the judgement of the much more knowledgeable folks on here for some guidance.

Thanks in advance.

I’m not sure how your lady feels about OEC’s v MRB’s. They are remarkably different, in their performance & Cut.
Has she expressed an interest in Antique Cut Diamonds? If not, I’d eliminate that entire idea, and stick with MRB’s.
As for size, obviously quality > quantity, but you want to go as big as you can, without sacrificing quality. 1.75ct is remarkably smaller; very noticeable...but only when you compare them next to each other.
Since you have experience with BGD, why not reach out to them, and ask them to source a stone for you based upon your MAX budget & specs. Perhaps they will be able to find something closer to 2ct with all of the quality you seek, that’s not in their current stock? Grasping at straws, here, trying to keep all of your preferences in line. If BGD can’t help you, I’d go with WF, and follow the yellow brick road to the 2+ct size you seek. I’m a size 5.5 finger. I know a 2ct diamond won’t look “too big”. The Emilya is a thin, delicate halo setting; it won’t overwhelm her finger. Going with triple pave is risky, and I would advise against it, since she will be wearing a WR with it, when she is not working. If she wears rubber gloves, at work, she will probably not want to wear diamonds, at all. A plain band for at work wear would prob be best, and then she can wear a diamond WR with the ER, when not at work. Just my suggestion, as there is too much risk for damage & high maintenance.
I don’t believe a spacer will do much in regards to “protection”, with a triple pave band, but others may disagree.
 

scarsmum

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I’m pretty sure victor can ease any setting concerns if you talk to him.
 

tyty333

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What you are calling a "double" is only a single row on the shank if you are referring to this setting...
https://www.victorcanera.com/rings/the-emilya-with-cushion-two-row-pave-halo#cmp=egrt&p_key=a0602b

I suggest you stick with the single row. Diamonds on the side (triple row) will require a spacer or separator band to prevent the e-ring and
wedding band from being chewed up by the diamond edges.

No need to be worried about Whiteflash. Lots of PSers have ACA stones and they are amazing (not saying other vendors arent).
I would call WF tomorrow and ask for a picture of these 3 stones together. You can have them pull the stones and talk you through
them (color vs clarity vs size etc). I do think a 1.75 in a halo would have great presence but it really depends where you live and if
your GF likes lots of bling.
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/compare.aspx?idnos=3988019,3788915,2994225

Here are the default size differences (relative) between a 1.8 and a 2 carat stone on a size 5 finger.
one eight vs two.PNG

Here is the relative size difference between 1.8 and 2.39 (exact numbers). Now picture them with halos around them.
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3788915.htm
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2994225.htm
one eight vs two four.PNG

Call WF and ask for pictures. I think they will help.
 

adam2433

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Thank you for the great and quick feedback. The graphics are great and much appreciated.

Nicholas is who I have been communicating with at VC and he has been great and patient. I was not in favor of the antique cut for the very reason as listed and have spoken this morning about sticking to MRB. As great as Nicholas has been he seems very adamant about pushing for use of their own stones. Which I admittedly understand.

I think I am getting too caught up in the size game and getting away form my VS-2 minimum clarity with the allure of a 2+ct stone.

Nicholas sent me this 1.705 G VS-2 $21,006
https://www.victorcanera.com/diamonds/cz23wt-1.705-g-vs2-ideal-hearts-arrows-round

It would be nice to get a stone and setting together. I have not read much about Victors Canera Ideal Hearts line although based on the amount of positive reviews of him I am sure they are great. I guess I am just stuck on the Brian Gavin Black 1.738 F VS-2 because as a novice I am susceptible to marketing and think the because it is "Black" line it is better and also because I have dealt with them before.

I honestly don't see difference in the 1.8 vs 2.0 graphic comparisons unless I really look. She is more particular about the setting than the stone size and is very fiscally minded and does not want me to go beyond our price point even if we can afford it. For all those reasons I think I will keep looking for the best quality 1.7-1.8 stone I can find.

Any thoughts on the comparisons between the BG and the Canera?


Oh and excellent thoughts on the pave band. I think that pretty much answers that question!
 

arkieb1

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You should not be able to see a difference between a well cut H & A Canera and a BG black. Diamonds and the fire and sparkle they produce are based on a set of numbers put the clever marketing aside, stick to the numbers that work rather than getting bogged down on who cuts what. All the super Ideals you have mentioned are all just that.
 

meely

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No comment on anything other than that ballpark price seems a little on the low side from what I remember in previous posts. Perhaps someone who has had a similar style made by vc will clarify.
Edited only saying in case there has been some confusion ignore me if you are definite.
 

Wombats

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Agree single row of pave on ER is best. Where I work in healthcare we're only allowed to wear a plain WR, no pave. So might be worth double checking on this front in case a plain band is needed for work and a diamond one for fun.

Congratulations
 

sledge

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Sounds like you have a relationship and trust built with BGD. I would talk to them about making you a setting like the VC and go with the Black personally. Assuming money isn’t a hindrance.

I’m also a BGD customer so I’m biased. I like them and how they do things. But I wouldn’t have issues dealing with other vendors. What sells me is to my eyes I can see a difference in videos between Black and other super ideal cuts. If you read their page on Black you will notice he does cut these different and to what he considers his best standards to date.

Mostly I think about this. You are spending $25k or so on a ring. You should feel damn good about it every time you look at it regardless if it comes from vendor A, B or C. Just my 2 cents.
 

adam2433

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Ended up working everyone out with Victor and Nicholas. They were beyond patient and the customer service was superb. For what is is worth after ordering my gf and I took a trip to NYC. She expressed interest in browsing some rings. I emailed Leon Mege and got a curt, annoyed response. When I showed up at his shop he wouldn't answer the door and yelled out. Total *******.

Victor and Nicholas were the polar opposite and absolutely amazing. Settled on an Emilya with double edged cushion halo with 0.71ct and 2.07 VS Ideal Hearts round center stone. The ring exceeds my expectations. The work is delicate, intricate and flawless. For those that worry about "metal showing' as my gf requested as little of as possible... it is virtually invisible. 10/10 recommendation. Will go back for wedding rings for her and myself for sure.

Pics do no justice.
 

tyty333

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Leon Mege...nice way to treat a possible customer {{shakes head}}

So happy you found someone nice to work with!

Well, where are the pictures??? {{crosses arms, raises one eye-brow}}
 

scarsmum

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WHAT PICS?
 

mrs-b

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@adam2433 -

You have completely misunderstood the purpose of this forum!

Photos pls, buddy. Pronto!

And I'm glad your experience with Victor was good - he's a true gem. :))
 

tkyasx78

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:cheeky:Pics?????
 

diamondseeker2006

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I sold the diamond in the Canera, but still have the setting.
Do you know how to delete the post? Can't find anything on it. Thanks!

Yes, if you are logged into LT, look at the upper right next to your username and click on Account. On this page, look at the box that says My Account and click on My Listings. Then click on the listing you want to delete. The delete button is at the bottom. You also have the ability to edit a listing, in case you want to add info or change the price, etc. You can relist the setting for sale without the stone. be very sure whoever removes the diamond doesn't damage the prongs. It would be best if Victor did it.

If you meant deleting your post on PS, look at the bottom of your post and click Report Concern and ask the admin to delete the post.
 

samselco

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thank you thank you!

Yes, if you are logged into LT, look at the upper right next to your username and click on Account. On this page, look at the box that says My Account and click on My Listings. Then click on the listing you want to delete. The delete button is at the bottom. You also have the ability to edit a listing, in case you want to add info or change the price, etc. You can relist the setting for sale without the stone. be very sure whoever removes the diamond doesn't damage the prongs. It would be best if Victor did it.

If you meant deleting your post on PS, look at the bottom of your post and click Report Concern and ask the admin to delete the post.
 
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