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Hi,

I just can't seem to find the diamond I'm looking for--

1.5 D VVS2 or VVS1
AGS0 rated
EX or ID polish / symmetry

I have actually found one diamond using the search engine here on pricescope, but I'm not sure about it and am desperately looking for a similar one.

I have looked at:

niceice.com
goodoldgold.com
superbcert.com
dirtcheapdiamonds / madisondiamonds.com
bluenile.com
abazias.com

and many others.

Does anyone have any ideas where else to look? I'm getting so desperate I may have to go down to my local rip-off jewelry store to buy a Hearts on Fire or something! Please, please help!

-Turismo

PS. If you have one or know where I can find this diamond, PM me or respond!

THANKS!
 
forgot to mention whiteflash as well...

Also-- am looking for NO flourescence...
 

Well I think maybe some of your trouble comes down to rarity… its gonna be hard to find a D VVS… simply as they are rare… widen out your search to maybe D-F and things start to pop up. F is still colourless… to the point you will never know when its in a ring… and I doubt unless your very sensitive, to be able to tell even when looking at it against a white background with a CZ next to it for comparision.


Only thing I found on a quick search was this one http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-851260.htm a 1.51ct F VVS1 scoring 0.8-Ex on the HCA (Ex,Ex,Ex,VG). Of course it scores Ideal on AGS’ polish, sym, and proportions gradings and is listed for $19.9k


And the only D VVS graded (D VVS2) was a
1.520 D VVS2 0 1.4-EX
ex-ex-ex-vg 61.1 57 34.6° 40.8° GIA
n-m-f no ex ex no
$21290
Listed at NiceIce.com.


Any help?
 
Hi,

Thanks for the reply. (to both my messages, actually!)

I guess my idea has been that-- given that at VVS2 and above any inclusions will be invisible even in a 10X loupe-- I wanted an "eye-perfect" stone. So that landed me at D, VVS2 or better, Ideal (AGS0) cut. Maybe I''m being too picky on the color?

I''ve seen the D VVS2 stone at niceice.com. One thing that bothered me was the GemEx report. It gave it a rating of "only" HIGH on white light, whereas most of their other stones of that quality rated as VERY HIGH. I''m assuming this means that there is an imbalance in the proportions of the cut (while still keeping the stone within AGS0 ratings). Would you agree with that? Wondering how I can get an analysis of the Sarin report? That should tell me how if it''s a "warped" cut. They post the Sarin report on their website but unfortunately I''m on a Mac and can''t download the software to view. Same for DIAMCALC. Don''t supposed anyone out there could help me out with this?

Once again, maybe I''m being too picky, but I feel like I should be when I''m about to spend $20K+ on a stone.

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Thanks again for everyone''s help. I can''t tell you how much I appreciate it. Buying a diamond is a lonely job, as I''m keeping it a total surprise from her and everyone else so I''ve got no-one but the people in this forum to bounce ideas off of!

Thanks so much--
--Turismo
 
Date: 2/23/2005 7:10:35 AM
Author: turismo

I guess my idea has been that-- given that at VVS2 and above any inclusions will be invisible even in a 10X loupe-- I wanted an ''eye-perfect'' stone. So that landed me at D, VVS2 or better, Ideal (AGS0) cut. Maybe I''m being too picky on the color?
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Colorless and Flawless to the eye might be anything from D/IF to G/VS2 (not to say SI1 - which I should). It would help a bunch to see some diamonds in person
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Feel free to guess why the last top grades are supposed to reflect "rarity" instead of looks. If the goal is to spend the most on a carat and a half - be my guest
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The ring will definitely look the same throughout the above-mentioned range of grades (assuming AGS or GIA grading). This... conservatively.
 
Ha! Believe me, the goal is definitely NOT to spend the most I possibly can on a 1.5ct diamond. I personally don''t even wear jewelry, so 90% of the allure of these things is lost on me.

That being said, if you''re going to do something, do it right.

That''s why I''ve settled at VVS2 or better, D color, and most importantly AGS0 (and possibly H&A) cut. Although now I''m starting to think I could relax my color standards a bit down to the D through F range. I need to do some more thinking about that. Maybe I''ll go to the store and look at some Hearts on Fire diamonds today for some window shopping experience.

-Turismo
 
Val does speak sense....

I dont think it matters really weither your spending 1k or 100k its your money, and you can be picky how you spend it.

but it seems in a diamond purchase.. it does pay to make some small compromises... not alot... certinaly some would say i might have been a little picky spending my hard earned on a 0.3 F VVS1 H&A. but when i was searching... i was open to everything from D-H IF-SI1 to give me the broadest range of ideal cuts showing H&A - the reasons for me going H&A where personal choice.

yep - best thing to do is get out and see some diamonds... while yes - VVS very very difficult to see under a loupe... I''d wager you''d still find it struggle to see the inclusion on a VS graded stone - if at all if you had no idea what to look out for.

Its one of those things... put a list together of what you think is important... in order of preferance...

mine certainly went something like

Cut
clarity
colour
weight was rigid at 1/4-1/2ct


here is the current PS listings for 1.4-1.6ct D-F IF-VVS2
1.420 E VVS2 0 1.4-EX
ex-ex-vg-vg 61 57 34.3° 40.9° GIA m-f no ex ex mb $14360 - Nice Ice (HCA - 1.4)
1.510 F VVS2 0 1.3-EX
ex-ex-ex-vg 61.8 57 35° 40.7° GIA med-sl thk no vg gd no $15502*S - White Flash (HCA - 1.3)
1.512 F VVS2 0 (H&A)
A Cut Above 0.8-EX
ex-ex-ex-vg 60.8 55 34.3° 40.7° AGS thn-med f pt id id neg $18905*S - White Flash (HCA - 0.8)
1.590 F IF 0 1.6-EX
ex-vg-vg-vg 61.3 56 34.7° 40.9° GIA m-f no ex ex no $21100 - Nice Ice (HCA - 1.6)
1.520 D VVS2 0 1.4-EX
ex-ex-ex-vg 61.1 57 34.6° 40.8° GIA n-m-f no ex ex no $21290 - Nice Ice (HCA - 1.4)

so out of that it would seem the 1.51 WF-ES 1.52 WF-ACA and the 1.52 Nice Ice come out with the highest ratings... Ex-Ex-Ex-Vg

to get Excellent on the spread - i believe the depth proportion needs to be below about 60.3% but really its not something to worry about between these.
 
Personally, I was unable to tell a D from an F. Even my G color appeared pretty colorless to me. Have you looked at a lot of stones (not compared online, but physically gone and looked)? I think you might be OK with an F VS1 or VS2 (heck, I was OK with my SI1!). I think you''ll have better luck finding a nice stone that way (not to mention saving some money). Good luck!
 
and at Blue Nile there is this one...

a 1.43 F-IF for just under $19k comes out at 0.9 HCA
 

Have you gone to look at a variety of stones with different combinations? That might give you a better idea where you are willing to give up.


I have spoken to a lot of jewellers (including some well known ones) in the search for my ring. All advised me on the following: it''s most important to have good colour and excellent/ideal cut, symmetry and polish. They advised me to consider clarity last as long as I was VS2 or above. You might want to expand your search by giving up some clarity.


Despite the convenience of the internet, It''s also good to look at the stones. They all look very different when lined up beside each other. I wound up with an ideal cut, excellent symmetry/polish, F stone because it had a TON of fire and was more pleasing to my eye than some better graded stones. I am going to have it reappraised (the head gemologist at Birks thought it hsould be an E).



If you are not willing to budge on your criteria, perhaps you can enlist a private jeweller to source the diamond? I was able to get a good diamond for prices similar to the internet (actually, a little better) from a proivate jeweller. Personally, I would not be comfortable buiying such an expensive stone on-line. You have no chance to see what you are getting compared to other stones.
 
My e-ring is an E, VVS1 (1.32 carats) and I honestly couldn''t tell it apart from a D I saw. I can however, see the difference a mile off between that, and my eternity band and earrings, which are respectively H and J in colour. To be honest I like knowing that my stone is of a high clarity even though no-one else does. All comes down to being a perfectionist, I suppose!
 
when i took my stone to chris at d. atlas to appraise, he said: looks like a D, but considering that it is GIA and they are conservative, it is probably graded as an E. actually, it is an F...just goes to show that even well respected, trained appraisers have trouble sometimes distinguishing between a D and a F!
 
Yeah, i had a similar thing with Chris when he appraised my purchases.

He appraised the main diamond, which was loose as a F VVS1... which co-insided with the AGS cert. while the 2 stones mounted in martini settings he said they faced up like they where D/E but couldnt give em a proper look with them being set.

They where G in colour I believe.
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