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Can Men & Women JUST Be Friends?

iLander

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A recent study discussed in Scientific American says "Hmmmm. . . . Probably Not".

Men and Women Can't be 'Just Friends'
In order to investigate the viability of truly platonic opposite-sex friendships researchers brought 88 pairs of undergraduate opposite-sex friends into…a science lab. Required both friends to agree—verbally, and in front of each other—to refrain from discussing the study, even after they had left the testing facility. These friendship pairs were then separated, and each member of each pair was asked a series of questions related to his or her romantic feelings (or lack thereof) toward the friend with whom they were taking the study.

The results suggest men were much more attracted to their female friends than vice versa. Men were also more likely than women to think that their opposite-sex friends were attracted to them—a clearly misguided belief. In fact, men’s estimates of how attractive they were to their female friends had virtually nothing to do with how these women actually felt, and almost everything to do with how the men themselves felt—basically, males assumed that any romantic attraction they experienced was mutual, and were blind to the actual level of romantic interest felt by their female friends. Women, too, were blind to the mindset of their opposite-sex friends; because females generally were not attracted to their male friends, they assumed that this lack of attraction was mutual. As a result, men consistently overestimated the level of attraction felt by their female friends and women consistently underestimated the level of attraction felt by their male friends.

Men were also more willing to act on this mistakenly perceived mutual attraction. Both men and women were equally attracted to romantically involved opposite-sex friends and those who were single; “hot” friends were hot and “not” friends were not, regardless of their relationship status. However, men and women differed in the extent to which they saw attached friends as potential romantic partners. Although men were equally as likely to desire “romantic dates” with “taken” friends as with single ones, women were sensitive to their male friends’ relationship status and uninterested in pursuing those who were already involved with someone else.

These results suggest that men, relative to women, have a particularly hard time being “just friends.” It is direct proof that two people can experience the exact same relationship in radically different ways. Men seem to see myriad opportunities for romance in their supposedly platonic opposite-sex friendships. The women in these friendships, however, seem to have a completely different orientation—one that is actually platonic.

In a follow-up study, 249 adults (many of whom were married) were asked to list the positive and negative aspects of being friends with a specific member of the opposite sex. Males were significantly more likely than females to list romantic attraction as a benefit of opposite-sex friendships, and this discrepancy increased as men aged.

So, can men and women be “just friends?” If we all thought like women, almost certainly. But if we all thought like men, we’d probably be facing a serious overpopulation crisis.


The summary is that women may think it's platonic, and genuinely feel that way. But the guys seem to be thinking "She wants me."

What do you think?
 
I think it can be done, but I think it's hard if there's any sexual attraction at all. If there is any attraction at all, no matter how small, at some point the thought of more will enter your mind, even if for a second. Those seconds may not amount to anything ever and will remain just thoughts...or they will at some point, under the right circumstances.

I've had plenty of male friends who were just friends...but I felt no attraction to them whatsoever. And for the most part I never thought they wanted anything more. This study suggests that maybe they did the whole time but never saw an opening?

That's why I think, in general, unless you had a friend of the opposite sex of many years, where it was platonic, *new* opposite sex friendships can be iffy.
 
I'm not qualified to answer as I'm gay.
But I will say this, my best friends have been women.
They have told me it's so nice to be close to a man when there are no vibes of attraction.
 
kenny|1351091284|3291398 said:
I'm not qualified to answer as I'm gay.
But I will say this, my best friends have been women.
They have told me it's so nice to be close to a man when there are no vibes of attraction.

But Kenny, you can think of it in terms of being friends with other men.

The attraction piece/question would be the same...

And yes, I can imagine it would be nice to not ever have to worry about sexual attraction. Even simple things, like dressing up and looking really good to meet them for a drink...it would be nice that it wouldn't be misinterpreted.
 
Assuming a straight man and a straight woman, I don't think so, no. IMO usually one of the parties eventually ends up liking the other.
 
CJ2008|1351091722|3291402 said:
kenny|1351091284|3291398 said:
I'm not qualified to answer as I'm gay.
But I will say this, my best friends have been women.
They have told me it's so nice to be close to a man when there are no vibes of attraction.

But Kenny, you can think of it in terms of being friends with other men.

The attraction piece/question would be the same...

And yes, I can imagine it would be nice to not ever have to worry about sexual attraction. Even simple things, like dressing up and looking really good to meet them for a drink...it would be nice that it wouldn't be misinterpreted.

I am monogamous but yes, making new male friends can be awkward for me especially if I find them attractive or I sense they find me attractive.

So it's the same problem except maybe even worse because IMHO men are more sex-oriented than women.
I suspect this is the result of zillions of years of evolution of men not getting preggers.
Also the more women a male knocks up the more his DNA prevails over the DNA of the men to stuck with one female.
One roaming male could father hundreds, perhaps thousands of children.
 
My DH says that even if a guy and girl are just friends (or so assumed by the girl), the guy still wants to sleep with the girl. Just like the debate in When Harry Met Sally.
 
amc80|1351093725|3291434 said:
My DH says that even if a guy and girl are just friends (or so assumed by the girl), the guy still wants to sleep with the girl. Just like the debate in When Harry Met Sally.

I do think it boils down to a question of attraction...if the man truly doesn't find the other person attractive in the least (or finds the other person almost physically repulsive for some reason) then I think there can be instances where the male has no desire to sleep with the girl.

But...males are a lot more forgiving than females when it comes to attraction. So I don't think this happens that often at all.
 
Men seem to see myriad opportunities for romance in their supposedly platonic opposite-sex friendships. The women in these friendships, however, seem to have a completely different orientation—one that is actually platonic.

I think that's at least partially true. But it probably depends on what one's goal was to begin with. Most women are trained from birth to not try to bed every man they meet, so it would not be unusual that one would find more friends than mates, with that attitude.. :D My male friends I classify as strictly platonic, not candidate(s) for romance. But, since I am single, I did first assess the single males for suitability as a mate. The married males, I always consider off-limits. If they see things differently, I let them know they should not call me until the after the divorce is final. ;-) I've met far more men than women who think that men and women can't be "just friends."
 
I think the study should have been expanded beyond just undergrads. That's too small, and too specific, of a sample. Undergrads are often in close quarters with members of the opposite sex for the first time in their lives. I recall spending a lot of time with males, swearing they were just friends, but secretly trying to gauge how they felt about me.

I recently lost a male friend because his wife believed something. I'm not entirely what was believed, but in a brief email to me he said that he felt that maybe his wife was right and maybe we were naive. I honestly felt that we were just friends. We saw each other for maybe 3-4 hours every 3-4 months for over 4 years and caught up, mostly about work, in a public place and our spouses sometimes came along. The spouses did change the discussion as neither are in the same line of work and made it hard for us to slam the government's decisions about funding for our sector for hours - our favorite topic of conversation. I can't recall that we ever touched besides a hug in greeting, and I don't recall that either of us ever flirted. So yes, I think it's possible. As long as their wives don't mind them discussing politics in relation to work with other women.
 
Let's not forget we are civilized adults, not wild horndogs roaming and humping in the streets.
Yes there are rapists and there are aggressive guys who can't take the hint but by and large we control our impulses to function in a modern society.

I'd love to reach over and grab the cash out of every cash register I see, but I don't.

Feeling attraction, when we or the other is not available, is natural and harmless, as long as we don't act on it.
Yes, of course unwanted advances are bad and you should not be around anyone who makes you uncomfortable, but excessive fear can result in putting a damper on what might be a wonderful friendship.
 
kenny|1351095309|3291450 said:
Let's not forget we are civilized adults, not wild horndogs roaming and humping in the streets.
Yes there are rapists and there are aggressive guys who can't take the hint but by and large we control our impulses to function in a modern society.

I'd love to reach over and grab the cash out of every cash register I see, but I don't.

Feeling attraction, when we or the other is not available, is natural and harmless, as long as we don't act on it.
Yes, of course unwanted advances are bad and you should not be around anyone who makes you uncomfortable, but excessive fear can result in putting a damper on what might be a wonderful friendship.

I agree with everything you said.

But I think control is fragile...and depends on many factors...

IMO, if the level of attraction is high, and you're in committed relationship, it's best to keep the friendship at arm's distance.
 
CJ2008|1351090895|3291392 said:
That's why I think, in general, unless you had a friend of the opposite sex of many years, where it was platonic, *new* opposite sex friendships can be iffy.
no such thing as "platonic" friendship between opposite sex... :naughty:
 
amc80|1351093725|3291434 said:
My DH says that even if a guy and girl are just friends (or so assumed by the girl), the guy still wants to sleep with the girl. Just like the debate in When Harry Met Sally.

My DH says this too, lol.

He and I do not have any close opposite sex friends.
 
Rhea's point is perceptive & I'd take it a step further -- undergrads are a rather poor choice for this study. Hormones rage at that age; the ambient culture is often one of sexual recreation, so to speak, so responses will be skewed in that direction. Not a poor choice, actually, but you'll get one sort of answer from them & possibly another from other ages. I've had male buddies since grade school, all the way up to the present. Still am friends with pals from college, & I've been married 35 yrs. No sexual attraction on my part & if they felt any, they sure kept it secret. DH has a few women friends & I'm not bothered at all.

It's smart to include spouses when getting together or in correspondance. Not necessary every single time -- if DH has lunch w/one of his female pals, it's ok with me. If he did it often & didn't mention it, that would be different. You need to walk a fairly fine line so things don't go places you don't want to be, especially when you are younger. But I love each of my male friends & would be very sad to lose them because of their gender.

--- Laurie
 
If men and women can't be friends because there might be sexual attraction, then we might conclude that bisexuals wouldn't be able to have any friends, as there is always the potential for attraction.

Like Kenny said, we do have impulse control.
 
Except if it's Chris Noth or Alex O'Loughlin. :cheeky: :naughty:
 
Yes they can. My BFF is a dude. My other BFF is his fiancee. I set them up. I've also known him since he was 14 - I was 16. I love him (big puffy heart love) but he is more like family to me since I have known him so long and we have been so ingrained in each other's lives.
 
I need to understand exactly what they mean by "friends". I have a lot of guy friends who may or may not be attracted to me, I dunno, but we all know one thing - that nothing will ever, EVER come of it. I email with them or text or do things in groups, but I don't go out one-on-one with my dude friends. Most of them that I am friends with I have known for a long time and they are married or have girlfriends, so we all do things as a group. And yes in some instances I am better friends with the guy than the girl. I have exactly one dude friend that I would go out one-on-one for a drink or dinner with, but he is gay and I have known him for 14 years. I think at this point in my life if I met a new guy and wanted some one-on-one time with him it would be inappropriate.

My other question is that what if "something" happened in the past, but you both realized you would not be compatible and nothing was ever, EVER going to happen again, but continue to socialize, does that count as just being friends?
 
I can totally be "just friends" with a man. I have never had a male friend who was "just friends" with me. This was a sickening, heart breaking lesson for me to learn.
 
House Cat|1351185635|3292223 said:
I can totally be "just friends" with a man. I have never had a male friend who was "just friends" with me. This was a sickening, heart breaking lesson for me to learn.
This has been my experience as well.

I'm not saying that ALL men are incapable of being "just friends" with women, but I am saying that I have yet to experience it, myself. I used to have several very close male friends, and I always thought we were just friends, but one by one I learned the hard way that it wasn't mutual.
 
Why couldn't they? To say they can NOT EVER, sounds like men and women are infantile and control themselves or show any respect for their spouse, SO etc. And at what age can they NOT EVER be friends? 16? 12? 24? That's ridiculous. I've always had more male than female friends. JD is friends w/one of my female friends, has known her longer actually than he's known me, I think, and we've known each other half our lives. She calls and talks to him now and again, and if I weren't home and she stopped by, she'd hang out for a little while-and there wouldn't be anything "thought" about it.
 
packrat|1351188797|3292266 said:
Why couldn't they? To say they can NOT EVER, sounds like men and women are infantile and control themselves or show any respect for their spouse, SO etc. And at what age can they NOT EVER be friends? 16? 12? 24? That's ridiculous. I've always had more male than female friends. JD is friends w/one of my female friends, has known her longer actually than he's known me, I think, and we've known each other half our lives. She calls and talks to him now and again, and if I weren't home and she stopped by, she'd hang out for a little while-and there wouldn't be anything "thought" about it.

I have thought this too! I have a male friend I have been friends w/since I was 18. He is actually an ER doctor and it is fun catching up with him every once in awhile for lunch. There is nothing more than just friendship!
 
I suspect it's a 'people vary' issue ;)) Some people don't think that they can have opposite sex friends (and sometimes don't think they should) while others think they can and that it is a positive thing. I think both sides will be able to cite some experience or anecdote to support their stance. I personally have two very close male friends, people I grew up with, and a few other friends who are male (good friends, people I could rely on and who can rely on me, but not necessarily very close friends). I obviously can't demonstrate that they don't find me attractive, but if they do (and yeah, I'm pretty sure they don't) it hasn't impacted on our friendships over the years. My life is richer for having a wide circle of different people, men and women, as friends.
 
Yes. I have many guy friends. We are just friends. Very good friends.
Has there been moments of "hmmm? I wonder?" Sure, with some of them. I can't answer for their own perspectives.
But we're civilized enough to not act on our animalistic desires :naughty:
and understand that we are JUST FRIENDS, nothing more.





Both partners need to feel the same way, though.
Once one person crosses a boundary, it can never go back.
No drunk sex sessions, no one person falling in love.. nothing like that is allowed! :bigsmile:
 
kenny|1351091284|3291398 said:
I'm not qualified to answer as I'm gay.
But I will say this, my best friends have been women.
They have told me it's so nice to be close to a man when there are no vibes of attraction.

Kenny, every woman that I know wants a "gay boyfriend" or "gay husband".

Seriously, it's a thing.

Your women friends are living the dream, Kenny. :sun:
 
Is it wrong to think your opposite sex friends are attractive? Cuz really, we've got some hot guy friends. I'm married, and love my husband. He knows this, our guy friends know this too-some of them are married and their wives aren't all giving each other the evil eye whenever we're all together. I've got some awfully pretty female friends too-should I not be noticing that either? That's just stupid.

Here's a kicker..most of my hot guy friends-I dated. (*cough cough slept with*) All back in the day of course, looooonng before JD and I hooked up, tho while JD and I were just friends. All part of the same social circle that JD and I were both a part of. We all are still friends. Someone asked him once if it bothered him to know that I was still friends w/those ex's, and if it bothered him to still be friends w/them. His answer was no. "She dated them but she *married* ME." We were all friends before any horseplay came about, and it means something that after the horseplay was over, the friendships were strong enough to endure.
 
iLander|1351209538|3292517 said:
kenny|1351091284|3291398 said:
I'm not qualified to answer as I'm gay.
But I will say this, my best friends have been women.
They have told me it's so nice to be close to a man when there are no vibes of attraction.
Kenny, every woman that I know wants a "gay boyfriend" or "gay husband".
Seriously, it's a thing.
Your women friends are living the dream, Kenny. :sun:

Really?
Hmm.

Well, maybe I should make them buy me colored diamonds in return for my attention. :D
Diamonds can be a boy's best friend too. :naughty:
 
During the 19 years that I taught secondary school there were more men than women on staff. We all got along beautifully and as far as I know, it was more of a colleague to colleague relationship. There was no in-fighting or back-stabbing that I saw or heard about. No affairs or divorces either.

On a more personal note, our daughter was married at 22 to a really great guy who was gay. She knew this going in (We didn't!), but went ahead with wedding preparations. Apparently, she had the idea of trying to 'convert' him to a heterosexual. :eek: They were together for a year before he announced that he was GAY and wanted a divorce. She was heartbroken. We were shell-shocked :o ! We felt that by paying for a lovely wedding for them, we had unwittingly contributed to an experiment that we knew couldn't have worked.

DH simply shut it out of his mind and carried on as if nothing had happened. My head doesn't operate that way and I grieved for months. Neither of them has ever apologized or offered an explanation to us. It's as if it never happened. :confused:

She has re-married another guy and they have a lovely daughter together, BUT so many years have passed that her ex is good friends with her and her family.

Strange but true.
 
kenny|1351214743|3292575 said:
iLander|1351209538|3292517 said:
kenny|1351091284|3291398 said:
I'm not qualified to answer as I'm gay.
But I will say this, my best friends have been women.
They have told me it's so nice to be close to a man when there are no vibes of attraction.
Kenny, every woman that I know wants a "gay boyfriend" or "gay husband".
Seriously, it's a thing.
Your women friends are living the dream, Kenny. :sun:

Really?
Hmm.

Well, maybe I should make them buy me colored diamonds in return for my attention. :D
Diamonds can be a boy's best friend too. :naughty:


Kenny, I didn't say it was a Big dream.

I tease . . . :D
 
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