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Buying a “citrine” in memoriam

Niel

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My grandmother passed away late last year; a week before her 98th birthday. She was many things - but one predominant trait was that she loved to gamble. Shortly after her passing I received a modest inheritance. I wanted to commemorate her life with a piece of jewelry - but I did not want to spend the whole inheritance on a single item. It didn't seem responsible. As I was trying to come up with the best way to honor her and while doing that I came across an eBay listing and inspiration struck.

This grainy photo came up in my search in a listing titled " Vintage 14k Citrine Ring."

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I didn't believe that this was a citrine. Having looked at enough listing and photos of gemstones - I am pretty good at identifying gemstones (though I would absolutely not recommend this to anyone.)

The ring had no returns. If I were to buy it, it would be a gamble since if I was wrong - I would be stuck with it. The ring was listed for about $500 - and with my modest inheritance I thought “Grandma would love a little gamble . Lets do it. At the very least I can resell it and not lose too much, right?“

However - the listing had " eBay Authentication." This posed a real problem as eBay does not give you the option to forgo authentication - even if you know/ don’t care if the stone isn't as described. This particular seller claimed to be a previous jewelry store owner. So with some sleuthing - I was able to find a listing off eBay and skip the authentication. This though, was another gamble. How could he own a jewelry store and mistake a gemstone for a citrine? “ Maybe I am being dumb” i thought- this will end up being scrapped for the gold value - or I'm being all together scammed. But, knowing I was happy to gamble and having a little faith in myself, I went ahead and bought it.

The first bit of good news came when I opened the box and in fact I did get the ring that was photographed - so i wasn't swindled. Nice. The second was how it looked. I had some idea, being familiar with gemstone and jewelry photography, that the sellers photos were not a good representation of the color of the gemstone. I was shocked, however, but just how vivid and lively the stone was.

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After that, I had to get it out of the setting. I took a little dental floss and bent one of the prongs back ( again i do not recommend!!) and popped the stone right out. The setting was not unlike many mid century settings with seed pearls and mid grade (or synthetic) gemstones. An indicator that I was, in fact, wrong, and the stone would turn out to be unremarkable. But nevertheless - we kept going.

Measuring it with my poor quality Amazon calipers and entering the dimensions into a gemstone estimator - I got a return that said if the gemstone was a sapphire with these dimensions, the stone would weigh between 6.0-6.6 cts.

Next step was to take it to a local jeweler and have it weighed. I know I could have had someone use a gemstone tester but frankly I didn't want to have that conversation with an employee. "What do you think it is? A sapphire? Oh, dummy, its glass!" So instead I had them weigh it and it came in at about 6.3cts.

So now I have some info to back up my initial opinion that the gemstone is a sapphire, not a citrine. What next? Well, I figured send her off to the GIA. I had an idea to get the country of origin, too (which i never do) but - if it’s synthetic anyways, they wont charge me. Again, a huge waste of money - possibly - but off she goes.

I shipped her off and after about a week or two - I was sure I was wasting my money. The color was too vivid. Some sort of diffused aquarium stone, certainly. If natural at all. However, my worries were unfounded:

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Now I am shocked that someone identifying themselves as a "jewelry store owner " would have mistaken this stone for a citrine and not given it a second thought. I like to think that it was not a coincidence that I took a gamble on this particular item and it paid off so well.

I could have left it in its original setting - but I am not a fan of that style of setting. Plus, I felt it gave "citrine vibes” - and this stone deserved "sapphire vibes ". But how to set it? There was a ring I had been admiring for a few months I found on Instagram. I was not a fan of the gallery design, but the overall look really spoke to me.

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I was able to source a fair amount of well matched antique melee (again, what luck!) and I sent it to DK to work their magic. As many of you know, I am a little persnickety when it comes to my cads. I can go through many iterations. However, this was relatively quick, and i was very happy with the outcome. Below are the initial and then the final approved cads. (I’d been deciding on the gallery detail in the beginning )

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i just got word that the final touches are done!! So excited. I will of course have a million more photos when it’s done. I had “be wary. Be clever. Be good. “ inscribed on the inside too- as a personal touch for this personal piece.

if you TL/DR, I can respect that. The stone is a 6.33 ct unheated Sri Lankan sapphire measuring 10.78x9.44. Set in an antique reproduction setting with 3.2 tcw of old cut diamonds in platinum. size 7.5. Thanks!

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Also. As an aside, my sister used some of her money to gamble as well (scratch offs and betting on the masters) and she won both of those, too. Clearly grandma is happy with how we’ve allocated our money :)
 
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I’m sorry for your loss. I love that you wanted to honor your grandma by gambling on a ring.

Your ability to sniff out a fantastic deal is unmatched. What a great find! I’ve loosely kept up with your collections. Is this your 3rd yellow sapphire? I can’t wait to see the final ring.
 
First, I am so terribly sorry to learn about the passing of your grandmother. What a life she must've lived.

I always say that most jewelers know diamonds and not much else, and this proves my point. What a blunder! But I'll be darned if it didn't make for maybe the greatest story ever told here. And that it is in remembrance of your dear gram? I mean... this is awesome. Big congrats to you!!
 
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I’m sorry for your loss. I love that you wanted to honor your grandma by gambling on a ring.

Your ability to sniff out a fantastic deal is unmatched. What a great find! I’ve loosely kept up with your collections. Is this your 3rd yellow sapphire? I can’t wait to see the final ring.

she is my second yellow sapphire - but technically I purchase a 3rd for my mother, so good memory!!

All my babies are beautiful of course but I’ve never seen a more saturated stone in my life. I was sure it was heavily treated or glass or something when I saw it- nature is amazing.
This may be a niche thing to say, but when I saw the photo on the gia report I was like “damn, girl!” Gia doesn’t always use the most flattering light lol
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Your time on eBay has truly paid off this time! Look forward to hand shots.
 
it’s funny because the sapphire and the diamond are a pretty good size but together well proportioned. Because of that the glamour shot doesn’t exactly represent the presence of the whole thing well. At least, that’s what I thought until I got this photo showing me the engraving.
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I think it's time for that jeweler to retire. If you buy a "citrine" at an estate sale for $100, you test it. Period. You don't just turn around and sell it for $500. And his photos were horrendous! Plus, it looks nothing like citrine - nothing. He literally lost thousands of dollars. It's time to head down to Miami, buddy!
 
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she is my second yellow sapphire - but technically I purchase a 3rd for my mother, so good memory!!

All my babies are beautiful of course but I’ve never seen a more saturated stone in my life. I was sure it was heavily treated or glass or something when I saw it- nature is amazing.
This may be a niche thing to say, but when I saw the photo on the gia report I was like “damn, girl!” Gia doesn’t always use the most flattering light lol
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I just saw your completed ring photo. I missed it earlier. Absolutely gorgeous! Your collection is definitely one to envy and one of my faves on PS.
 
Love the Rachel Gillig quote...
 
What a fascinating story of persistence to get to something fabulous. The photo showing the inscription is so beautiful, I love the intense yellow of the stone and the rainbow fire of the diamonds along with the engraving of the words you chose to honor your grandmother. This ring is truly inspiring! May wearing it bring you happy memories of your grandmother.
 
it’s funny because the sapphire and the diamond are a pretty good size but together well proportioned. Because of that the glamour shot doesn’t exactly represent the presence of the whole thing well. At least, that’s what I thought until I got this photo showing me the engraving.
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Love this cigar band style...
 
it’s funny because the sapphire and the diamond are a pretty good size but together well proportioned. Because of that the glamour shot doesn’t exactly represent the presence of the whole thing well. At least, that’s what I thought until I got this photo showing me the engraving.
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I love this photo in particular because you can see how sparkly it is! What a beauty! You are so good at finding bargains - I am envious!
 
HI:

Sorry for your loss.

You don't seem like a person who would gamble--you do your homework. This is a really lovely ring and I'd love to see hand shots.

cheers--Sharon
 
Wonderful story and ode to your grandmother. Love the results, the engraving, but the find! Excellent instincts and sleuthing skills. She would definitely be proud.
 
HI:

Sorry for your loss.

You don't seem like a person who would gamble--you do your homework. This is a really lovely ring and I'd love to see hand shots.

cheers--Sharon

I’m supposed to be able to pick it up Tuesday from FedEx - you’ll be sick and tired of the amount of hand shots I will post.
 
Sorry for your loss but happy for the great find!
And you know, the original setting kind of reminds me of a gambling table lol
 
I’m supposed to be able to pick it up Tuesday from FedEx - you’ll be sick and tired of the amount of hand shots I will post.

Yay! I don’t think I could get sick of it. I keep coming back to look. I just adore the setting! We need the story on how you scored the melee too ;)
 
Sorry for your loss.

I think your grandma' would be proud, you gambled and you won!
 
Stone whisperer.

That's lovely! I don't usually take a second look at yellow sapphires but I've been back here a few times. Mind you, your stories are top notch.
 
Yay! I don’t think I could get sick of it. I keep coming back to look. I just adore the setting! We need the story on how you scored the melee too ;)

These were less interesting stories. A fairly good deal on the cluster, considering it was in 18k gold and I could scrap it all. I used all but one of these stones. I only used a half full of the semi mount so I have enough to go an entire second halo ring if I ever find a stone to do that with. This was in plat.
I cannot remember the mm size of the semi mount but I want to say around 2.5 ish. The cluster was 3mm and that is what went around the center.
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Stone whisperer.

That's lovely! I don't usually take a second look at yellow sapphires but I've been back here a few times. Mind you, your stories are top notch.

Totally understandable. Yellow sapphires don’t get people too excited, usually.
 
These were less interesting stories. A fairly good deal on the cluster, considering it was in 18k gold and I could scrap it all. I used all but one of these stones. I only used a half full of the semi mount so I have enough to go an entire second halo ring if I ever find a stone to do that with. This was in plat.
I cannot remember the mm size of the semi mount but I want to say around 2.5 ish. The cluster was 3mm and that is what went around the center.
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That is still interesting to me! The stones in that cluster look phenomenal!!!
 
What a stone! Just the right amount of personality in the cut while having such incredible saturation, it's clearly a very special piece and deserved the better home you created. And how brilliant to buy it off eBay to avoid the authentication! As canuk-gal said, this obviously wasn't a gamble at all the way that you did it.

I'm sorry for your loss but I'm sure your grandma is so glad at how well this turned out for you and for your sister.
 
My my!!! Great find! Great story! Great "gamble". Imagine having to explain this to jewelers out there. Congrats and at the same time, my sympathies for your loss. Your grandma would've been proud that this "gambling" gene was passed on. LOL
 
I can imagine your gramma would be so pleased. I’m so sorry for your loss- I was best friends with my grandmother. What a gorgeous ring and beautiful stories to go with it.
 
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