August Vintage Round OEC N color-nervous!

[Deactivated member 42515]

Yaytacori--I was waiting, with bated breath for a call or an email about it Tuesday/Wednesday & did not receive one.
I work a horrid schedule right now & can't get anything done during business hours, & can't use my phone or email at work.
My days & nights are all upside down. Luckily at like 3am wed night/thurs morn I did see it posted on GOG's site & placed it on hold.

I have a few questions, if you don't mind, since you had this puppy in your clutches for a couple of days.
The stone I have right now is so so bright--there is a tremendous amount of brilliance-(white light)-it's just insane how bright it is.

I did notice I get a little darkness under the table, & the one you has does have a different ASET pattern with the blue/red, so I am thinking yours didn't do that?

Also--some questions about fire--I want to be careful how I word this, because I am out of my element & don't want this post to be misconstrued. I'll do my best to describe what I'm getting at.
I'm not complaining about this diamond.

I'm trying to understand what it is I need to look for in a diamond with either crown height or angles or cut or ASET or whatever--what do I look for to get the effect I want for ***FIRE***.

My previous experience was viewing cushion brilliants, the crowns were a bit higher, but not the 'over 40 degrees' & each one I viewed showed fire/color reflections even when not in spot lighting I got the blues/pink/orange/yellow green & even sometimes an odd red or violet.

In most lighting conditions, with this current stone--I get bright bright white brilliance & tons of white/silver sparkle/scintillation.
There is zero time where this diamond ever goes dead-even partially-which is pretty freakin incredible, & I do love that.
But, I'm only really getting fire & colors reflecting in low low light conditions, or spot lights.
When I say low light, I mean low--like cloudy daylight with curtains closed & no other light in the room--like when you wake up in the morning & haven't opened the curtains. I get the most beautiful colors then, or if I am off to a dark corner of a room lit by a low watt cfl bulb & from the side, or cupping the diamond.
I don't seem to be getting the colors like how you described & I am a fire nut. I've read here & other places that sometimes a very brilliant stone can somewhat cancel out *fire*---is this true???

YayTacori--you said your stone was a fireball--did you get the colors? not colors reflecting from your clothes or the room you are in, but the rainbow like colors of light?


It seems to me this stone is so so bright in most lighting conditions--even crappy office light, that maybe the white is cancelling out the colors, I don't know.
And, well, it doesn't help that most people seem to not 'get' what I am talking about because they see the abundant white/silver sparkle & brilliance & have no idea what I mean.
This diamond is brighter & also so much more sparkle/scintillation than anyone elses I've been able to compare it to in person, I think the only other thing I could ever compare it's effects to is another AVR or AVC LOL, or perhaps a really well cut vintage OEC, but no one around here has one.

Also, note for you women out there--other women get *very* moody when you want to compare a diamond like this against theirs, despite the fact that they may have a beautiful ring & stone.
So friends or coworkers may not be so happy about it. I'm getting a serious 'cold shoulder' type of attitude, & I guess it's ***ring envy***.
I've never been in this position, & i didn't intend for this to be a *contest*. BF says it's like men & their cars.

Before I had this stone, women were more than happy to let me hold gaze check out their stones, even against the other cushion brilliants I had for comparison-- LOL I have an LED headlamp I used & i could show them how their stones can dance & it made them pretty happy , not so with this stone--this type of cut/quality can bring out the worst in others in an unexpected way. Cold shoulder is an understatement.

BF says most women would be thrilled with this type of reaction if it were their stone--So just want to let you all know--this cut/quaility is a whole different animal--it's in a league all it's own & yes, people will get envious & their behavior & attitude may come as a suprise, even in people you thought you knew well.

Hi! Sorry! I did not see this! I subscribed to your thread but for some reason it wasn't coming up and neither was it in the participated section.

I don't know if you still want me to answer these questions cuz it seems that you might have already been to NYC and looked at the J yourself. Any news?

 

[catia]

Yaytacori--No, we didn't make the trip to NYC, I posted that we will be viewing both diamonds from home.
BF had a neck/shoulder injury just before & I didn't want him doing the trip in pain.

Glad I made that decision, because we just found out BF needs surgery & ASAP confirmed by an MRI he had on saturday-UGH!!!

I am still waiting for the diamonds & an email back to confirm shipping. I wired the $$ friday & returned the N 1.02 OEC friday as well.

This ought to be quite an awesome comparison.

Yes, please do answer, it helps--I'll be seeing the same diamond so opinions of how to decribe or what to look for are really helpful.
if you have an idea about fire & angles etc that'd be great.
I read your thread about the J, LOL I saved the pics!!!
I noticed you mentioned you could get the flowery facet effect from that one, that it was noticible.
I didn't really get that from the N, not sure why, which is why I asked about the difference in the ASETS.

 

[Deactivated member 42515]

Yaytacori--No, we didn't make the trip to NYC, I posted that we will be viewing both diamonds from home.
BF had a neck/shoulder injury just before & I didn't want him doing the trip in pain.

Glad I made that decision, because we just found out BF needs surgery & ASAP confirmed by an MRI he had on saturday-UGH!!!

I am still waiting for the diamonds & an email back to confirm shipping. I wired the $$ friday & returned the N 1.02 OEC friday as well.

This ought to be quite an awesome comparison.

Yes, please do answer, it helps--I'll be seeing the same diamond so opinions of how to decribe or what to look for are really helpful.
if you have an idea about fire & angles etc that'd be great.
I read your thread about the J, LOL I saved the pics!!!
I noticed you mentioned you could get the flowery facet effect from that one, that it was noticible.
I didn't really get that from the N, not sure why, which is why I asked about the difference in the ASETS.

Awww, I'm sorry about your boyfriend. I hope that his surgery goes well and dust for a speedy recovery.

I'm not sure about the ASETs. I think I remember you saying that you were getting some darkness under the table for your N? I got NO darkness at all. I even tried to look for it since I've been stalking the GOG website and the AVR pages and in their pictures you can see the black circles.

I realized THE BEST light to view the flowery pattern is in direct sunlight with a hand covering the diamond. So would that be indirect sunlight? But actually, most all the time, I noticed the facets. Like I told Hoover in my J thread, I typed a response with the diamond on my finger and I could still see the facets from about an arms length away.

I read Jon's post about how a little bit of percentage can make it blue or red. But, when buying my diamond, I would want mostly red. I think for me, its a mind thing and not because I feel that there is a big difference. But then again, I have never seen two different ASET image diamonds side with side like the N and J.

For fire, most of the time, I got it when the diamond was in direct sunlight but facing sideways? like this...


And also when I was in my kitchen with recessed lighting during the day. I got the fire just from slightly moving from side to side or up and down.

For me, I'm more of a color gal than a firenut. I did notice fire, but what I LOVED about the J, and I think you talked about this too, is that it totally soaks in the colors around you. When I did a photoshoot with some pinecones, it soaked in a bunch of burgundy and pinks.

I did notice, that more often than not, there is more white light return than fire in most situations. But then I also thought it was because of the lighting situations I was in. I didn't get to go to a lot of places that I was planning to.

That reminds me, I gotta email Jon about finding me a diamond!

 

[hoover]

That's a great pic of the J, YayTacori

I've been checking the thread in the hopes of seeing pictures of more AVRs....
I saw that the N is back in the inventory.....

Caria, now that you've seen the J and N, have you decided whether you like the warmer diamond or the whiter one in terms of color reflection and fire? (I'd love to know since I've been eyeing an I and M)

 

[Deactivated member 42515]

I have a video that shows awesome bursts of fire. I so wish I could show you two!

 

[catia]

duplicate post-sorry

 

[catia]

I got both diamonds today!!!!!!!!
The 1.04 N si-1 AVC
The .093 J si-1-AVR

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!******************WOW*****************!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have so MANY things to say--but have little time right now-gotta go to work.

I need opinions if I should start a diff thread re: AVR/AVC *show-down* or just keep all the info here in this thread.

1st though--let me thank YayTacori for ***THE MOST EXCELLENT*** pics that so adequately capture this .093 J AVR-- *exactly* as it is in REAL LIFE.

For right now, I'm gonna try to focus on what I think about both AVR's--
****the 1.02N VVS2 & the .093 J SI1 AVR's***

I'm doing this now because the rest of my decision is strictly now whether I want a cushion or OEC & this is *NOT EASY*
Both of these stones are blowing me away!!!

Now this is my opinion.
I have **NO ISSUES** with color period--not with GOG's caliber of cut anyway, so whether or not you like color, or if some body color affects how you feel about a diamond you're viewing, well, that's just your personal preference. I think once you're at this level of cut quality--every color is gonna be beautiful--that's my personal opinion.

ASETS--and the difference between the 1.02N had blue in the center & the .093 J had red in the center---Again, my opinion & I am *not* a diamond guru, just a lay person.
Yes, the difference is noticible to me right out of the fed EX box from jump!!!
--The .093 J blows the 1.02 N away as far as *no obstruction* from the J period.
--I've ***tried*** to get some obstruction from the 0.93 J--and I haven't. Not close up, even a few inches from my nose--& not far away.
The 1.02 N for me showed onstruction at arms length (the mileage on your arms length may vary lol-I am petite).

Had I *not* seen YayTacori's pics, which looked so different than what I was viewing in the 1.02N in person, & had noticed the difference in ASETS that I posted here--I would not have ever thought there would be that much difference--& that's what made me *know* I needed to see if there was a difference in person.

My opinion--for those center facets under the table--if you're a close up view person-(an I am)-someone who's gonna be staring at your rock close up A LOT--always choose the red ASET in the center for under the table, because close up is where the main difference was/is between these 2 AVR stones.
I just didn't get as much "play" from the center of the 1.02 N.

Now the other differences.
The 1.02 N had a ** big presence** & I am not convinced it was the size--The 1.02 N has an 'inner-like' glow--it was so very *bright* & so much white light came off of it--it was like it had a light within--so I guess you could say that was it's brilliance--you *will* see it from across the room even in crappy flourescent tube office lighting. I did not get as much fire &/or color from the 1.02 N as I do from the .093 J. I am a fire/inner color (not pertaining to body color) reflection type of person, meaning:
*I will choose fire over brilliance* every time, others prefer brilliance--that too is personal preference.
The N was super firey in spot lighting, pot lighting & under bare CFL bulbs--it did NOT lack fire, it just didn't appear to have as much fire in as many different lightings as the .093 J.

There is only about 1/4mm difference btwn the N & the J--so that's why I say I don't think it is the size that gives the N it's substantial prescence., it's that glow or whatever it is in the N that makes it feel bigger.

That above being said, I'd choose the J over the N AVR, & it has zero to do with color or clarity due to fire.

But, alas, my decision just isn't that easy now, because I have this 1.04 N AVC sitting right next to the .093J AVR.

 

[ariel144]

Well, Catia, you certainly are a very descriptive writer...so interesting the comparisons. Can't wait to read the AVR/AVC comparison. Sorry about your BF needing surgery...what a bummer!

 

[glitterpants]

I AM SO looking forward to your AVC/AVR comparison. Hurry!

 

[Deactivated member 42515]

I'm glad that you like the J! So is the N AVR off the table now?

 

[Enerchi]

I vote you start a separate thread for your comparisons and bring this post to it

I'm excited to learn of your thoughts. You are a very descriptive evaluator!

 

[hoover]

oooh Catia, I'd LOVE to see a AVR/AVC showdown thread

YayTacori, show and tell time? linkies are allowed, I think

 

[Deactivated member 42515]

Yes but personal videos are not...

 

[hoover]

oh, I didnt know that. I thought I've seen links to youtube and vimeo before... boo....

looking forward to pictures and descriptions though

 

[catia]

****Correction*** though I'm sure you gals all knew what i meant--the J is 0.93 not .093 LOL--I can't edit that post for some reason.

Yes, the 1.02N AVR is off the table.
Had *nothing* to do w/ the color.

On the table is the 1.04 N Si1 AVC & the *J*

I am so stuck not being able to choose between them that I spent most of the day deciding on one then changing my mind. I'm even driving myself crazy. So in an effort to weed out, I tried to find the flaws--& well, that took much more effort than it was worth, & I barely saw anything for more than a split second.

Jonathan is really great with choosing these SI1's-I gotta give him serious KUDOS--ya, you can probably find the flaws easier with the loupe--but naked eye--Well I strained on/off a lot of the day.

The AGS report had so many spots for the 1.04 n-AVC--i thought for sure I'd see some easily--nope.

Matt said neither the N nor the J were completely eye clean, but that the inclusions were well hidden in the facets--I did see something briefly on the outside edge of the AVC, and for a split sec twice I thought I found the flaw in the AVR. pointless really

So I need to focus on what this diamond is for--because I fell in love with a setting that has rubies & will be plat or WG.

The J AVR is probably the way to go--the safest bet. But time & time again I keep fining myself drawn to the AVC--the fire & the tall crown.
Yaytacori--I do get the flower faceting effect from this AVR--more so than the other one.

While the J AVR is a fireball in certain lightings, it does give off mostly white light. This has noting to do with the color of the stone, just the physics of light . I think (my not a gemologist opinion) is that the AVR's do fire well in certain lighting because they are so bright the white light is cancelling out some of the fire, that, & it has a lower crown. But I love this stone!!!

The N AVC just has more fire in more situations--it almost always has some fire reflections or pastels just sitting in it-in most lighting conditions-again, not referring to body color--I think it has to do with the facet structure & that yummy tall crown.

I'm just not sure if I want the body color next to the rubies. I find I need to keep reminding myself of this-

-LOL I wanted to view that 1.34-O-AVC with med blue flouro LOL, but decided to try this N since I had already seen an N in the AVR.
The AVC does show the body color more than an AVR--just slightly-but darn does the fire make up for it!

If either of these stones were presented to me in a solitare by BF, I'd be elated.





I'm too tired to start a new thread at the moment

 

[Deactivated member 42515]

I think you can only edit a post within 15 minutes. Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong.

When I see that setting, I initially think of an antique cushion as a center stone. But imagining the AVR in there makes my mouth water too. Did you ever find someone who was willing to make it for you?

And sorry to thread jack, but HOOVER, when are you getting your stone?

 

[catia]

Well, I had what some would call *a moment of clarity*

Since I now know the body color is more visible with the cushion, I'm gonna try another color.

I am sending the 1.04 N si1 back & am going to view the 1.16 K si-1-
I ***LOVE*** this 1.04-N--but I guess I need to come up in color for my setting with the rubies.

Still keeping the J cuz I just don't know yet & need a *fair* comparison within the color range my ring is gonna require.

Honestly, I think I need 1 of BOTH AVR & AVC, but time & circumstance--and cash dictates this is just not a possibilitly at the moment.
Really, it's close to impossible to choose between the 2 shapes--they're just georgeous!

 

[Deactivated member 42515]

Oooooh now that's gonna be a hard decisions! K AVC and J AVR....

So you did notice that it has more white light return than fire huh? I thought it was just me. I mean the AVR itself I think as a diamond is just so so bright. Mate it cancels some fire? I just thought it was te lighting situations I was in. All I know is that I still love it!!

I wish I had a much leeway as you. Since I already have a setting made for a round, I have to stick with a round. Maybe an AVC right hand ring?? Haha

 

[Enerchi]

That is a tough call Catia! Both are stunning stones! Flip a coin? (I don't mean that in a flippant way) but if both meet your colour, size, price, fire criteria, what is it that will tip the scales for you to decide one way or another? Each of us are different - something like your 'clarity moment' will happen and then ... you'll know... you'll decide instantly that THIS is the stone for you!

In your setting, looks like either would work. Lovely setting, btw!

Excited for your decision - this has been a very fun and educational thread - thanks for posting all the info that you have been posting!

 

[hoover]

Hi YayTacori, I haven't ordered a stone yet - just stalking PS and the GOG site for the AVR pictures and descriptions....
Living Canada, it's not that easy (or cheap) to order and return stuff due to customs and duties.

I think I've narrowed it down to two that I would like to buy, but... I'm waiting to see if Catia keeps the J

 

[glitterpants]

Any new thoughts on the avc vs. avr??

 

[catia]

Hoover--
***Change of plans*** I am returning the 0.93 J SI-1 AVRound ****
& keeping the 1.04 N SI-1 AV Cushion. So if you're interested in this ***lovely*** sparkly gem--it's back up for grabs--I'm just awaiting the revision in my return shipping info.

There's a LOT going on right now, haven't had time to post this week with BF's pre-surgery prep, attempting to review neuro-surgeons, working all week, & poor BF in constant pain, (and the fact that we were supposed to move this month but can't)--So life just reared it's head & said it's "full speed ahead"--everything is just a blur daily there's just so much to do I'm just overwhelmed.

So todays post is my *little escape* from the drama.

Here's the real deal--I think I am a cushion girl at heart, & BF loves it too. That was the dilemma, cushion or OEC.
While I enjoyed *both* the AVR OEC's I've viewed, the N & the J--something about this cut of cushion just wows both of us.
The August Vintage Cushions are just--WOW--though I would LOVE an AVR someday, I want the cushion *NOW*.

Initially I thought the body color was too tinted, being an *N*--but the more I looked at this stone, the less that mattered.
Taking it away from the J AVR side by side & not seeing the difference in color comparison, I couldn't find anything about the N that didn't delight me--over & over again.

The defining moment for ***BOTH*** of us was quick a trip to Lowe's Home Center we had to do last minute.
I had both stones with me because I was planning on returning the N AVC.
I wanted to look at it just a little more before saying "goodbye", so that I could remember for comparison sake.
I popped the tension holder ring on my finger just before going into the store.
It was still daylight outside but dark overcast, it was on/off rain all day---& there was still life & pastels, it just has this most of the time--even in crappy lighting & i was having second thoughts on returning it, there was just more i liked than disliked.

***NOTHING PREPARED ME FOR WHAT I WOULD SEE WHEN WE WALKED THROUGH THE DOORS OF THE STORE***
***This stone just ***BURST*** into a life I didn't even know a diamond could have.
I mean I saw lots of fire at home & not in special lighting ('naked' cfl bulbs--like in a ceiling fan with make them dance crazily--which is great since that's what I have all over the house lol)--but in Lowes, this sucker was *on fire on steroids*!!!!.
I have never seen ANYTHING like this before. Just amazing!!!
Since I've been so busy, I didn't get into enough different lighting environments to really make my decision properly, just home, the car & work.
My biggest piece of advice is to take whatever diamond you are viewing OUT--not just home/work/car.

BF & I were just blown away by the performance of the August Vintage Cushion. It was an hour before closing of the store. We were so shocked we were just mostly playing around with it.

Ths was the 1st time we got to see the full capacity of what "light performance" really is in cut of this quality & precision.
It was just distracting. We spent most of the time walking around the store in awe of this stone & barely made it out of the store with what we went there to purchase, because the loud speakers were announcing closing time LOL.

Since I had BOTH stones on me, I decided to pop out the .93 August Vintage Round out as well, about 15 minutes into our awe.
Man ALIVE did the August Viontage OEC/Round stone dance as well!!!!

So it came down to *shape* & *CHUNKY FIRE BLASTAGE* at that point, & I just LOVED the cushion more than the round.
The cushion is chunkier in faceting & the dance it does just BOGGLES my brain! So so much fire.

The OEC was more brilliant (meaning white light sparkle & scintillation) than the cushion--but the OEC is super firey as well in that lighting, certainly no slouch at all!!!
As I've said before, I will always choose fire over brillance, and a round performs differently than a cushion, but when you get down to it, with this cut quality, the difference is just splitting hairs--even between a J and an N. In the end, it was the chunks of fire I wanted, and the cushion is a little more chunky than the OEC.

If I never had the cushion on me at the time, I'd had probably kept the AVR-.93-J-because it just blows you away!
I am so thankful I had BOTH AVC & AVR to compare in that moment.

Now I'm sure you all know how long the isles are at the home stores. You can actually SEE the stones from so far away it's just CRAZY to see a 1ct diamond from 1/2-3/4 isle away--but YOU WILL!!!

IMHO-as far as SPREAD FACTOR is concerned-You will *NOT* notice any difference in size for the J-AVR being 0.93ct--it's apx 6.25mm round as far as spread--and with all the light that comes from it, it's just not a noticible difference because it is white & lit from edge to edge-no light leakage on the edges makes such a HUGE difference-
You get the full BANG! for your buck making sure your diamond is red along the outside edges--So ASETS are an asset for sure LOL--
So that's what this quality of cut gets you--more *presence* over all. I hope it does go to a PS'er who sets it & takes pics of it for our pleasure lol!!!

My N-AVC 1.04 ct cushion is about 6mm X 6mm, & while it does face up slightly smaller than the AVR, again, the quality of the cut & lack of light leakage gives more presence since it is reflecting edge to edge.

This 1.04 N-SI-1-AVC was the ***5th*** cushion I have viewed in person, but the 1st August Vintage!
I had each stone for a couple of weeks each--
Obviously I am sold on the AVC--I get modern precision in an antique shape faceting structure, the BEST of both worlds for me.

Of the previously viewed cushions, I had viewed 3 cushion brillant's, all 1-1.25 ct--1 of which was a J-IF!!! & also 1 modified cushion brilliant that was not a crushed ice. All 4 previous cushion stones were GIA EX/EX or EX/VG. None of them were bad stones.
The AVC just blew them away.
It is the light performance (& the symmetry) that makes SO MUCH difference.

Always get ASETS & don't let anyone ever try to tell you that those measurements of light don't make a difference--they surely do.
Cut is king & is what will allow that light into your stone--and red along the edges of the stone makes a huge difference for the feeling of the *spread* this 6mm AVC feels larger as far as finger coverage & spread than the 6.35mm regular generic cushion brilliant that I last viewed ****because of the light around the edges***.

Whew! sorry for the long post--been a long week & trying to remember everything all at once.

 

[Deactivated member 42515]

Yay! I'm glad you found THE stone! And it's so good that you did comparisons so that there is NO doubt whatsoever that this is THE one!

Now we gotta find that J a home! It's been traveling from person to person and I'm sure it feels sad!

 

[Shannie]

The J seems to be a beautiful looking stone....am thinking about finding a home for it with me....I will wait until it is back in the GOG inventory. Any ideas on how to set it? The cushions are great too... saw them in person...I would love one of each...one day.

 

[InnaR]

OK, I'm going to say it.
While I truly want to believe that you are expressing your genuine feelings (maybe in somewhat too expressive way) on a diamonds you had a chance to hold, to me this post screams "Product Placement".

The number of times the words "AVC", "AVR", "light performance", "quality of the cut" are repeated through your posts and the tone those posts are written, makes me feel uncomfortable.

And let me assure you, that any diamond, and i mean any with more than one facet will look fiery and "cut for the light performance" under Lowes (or any other big box store lighting). You cannot objectively judge diamond performance under those conditions.

 

[Deactivated member 42515]

OK, I'm going to say it.
While I truly want to believe that you are expressing your genuine feelings (maybe in somewhat too expressive way) on a diamonds you had a chance to hold, to me this post screams "Product Placement".

The number of times the words "AVC", "AVR", "light performance", "quality of the cut" are repeated through your posts and the tone those posts are written, makes me feel uncomfortable.

And let me assure you, that any diamond, and i mean any with more than one facet will look fiery and "cut for the light performance" under Lowes (or any other big box store lighting). You cannot objectively judge diamond performance under those conditions.

Product placement? So are you saying she works for GOG and this has been their ploy this whole time? Or maybe, she's getting an AVC for free...
I don't think she is doing any product placement at all. I think that she loves diamonds like most all of us do here on a jewelry forum and that she is excited.

 

[InnaR]

I said what I said. Multiple repetition of the "light performance" along with the brand cut names can have a hypnotizing effect on a new diamond consumer and will steer them into direction of one particular vendor.
I think that PS is a prosumer forum that supposed to help general consumer to get better educated on different aspects of diamond and eventually make or not make educated decision.

I did not see anyone in this topic mentioning that what Catia what she describes about few diamonds she observed might be an issue with those particular cuts, and maybe a different cut will give her what she wanted.

She wanted fire. She did not see enough of it in both AVRs, though OECs are known for fire. I did not see anyone recommended her to look for a genuine OEC or a brilliant FIC. She herself kept praising the cut, and "brightness" of the stones (which in between the lines meant lack of fire).

She ordered AVC, and even though there were less posts about it, I did not sense huge impression with it.

I read this forum for more than two years, and i remember hundreds of times when cut gurus gave advices to newbies "do not judge diamond under Tiffany lighting" or "take diamond outside the store to evaluate it's real performance".

Lowes lighting is many more times more misleading in terms of light performance of the diamond.

If she wants fire (which she stated many times), she should get the same advice cut gurus would give a B&M shopper - return the stone and keep looking. The fact that no other options or vendors were offered in this case seems like a silent product to me.

And yes, her post makes an impression of a product placement. A product placement post that is a result of a misbalance in numbers different cuts and vendors are mentioned on Pricescope.

 

[Deactivated member 42515]

I said what I said. Multiple repetition of the "light performance" along with the brand cut names can have a hypnotizing effect on a new diamond consumer and will steer them into direction of one particular vendor.
I think that PS is a prosumer forum that supposed to help general consumer to get better educated on different aspects of diamond and eventually make or not make educated decision.

I did not see anyone in this topic mentioning that what Catia what she describes about few diamonds she observed might be an issue with those particular cuts, and maybe a different cut will give her what she wanted.

She wanted fire. She did not see enough of it in both AVRs, though OECs are known for fire. I did not see anyone recommended her to look for a genuine OEC or a brilliant FIC. She herself kept praising the cut, and "brightness" of the stones (which in between the lines meant lack of fire).

She ordered AVC, and even though there were less posts about it, I did not sense huge impression with it.

I read this forum for more than two years, and i remember hundreds of times when cut gurus gave advices to newbies "do not judge diamond under Tiffany lighting" or "take diamond outside the store to evaluate it's real performance".

Lowes lighting is many more times more misleading in terms of light performance of the diamond.

If she wants fire (which she stated many times), she should get the same advice cut gurus would give a B&M shopper - return the stone and keep looking. The fact that no other options or vendors were offered in this case seems like a silent product to me.

And yes, her post makes an impression of a product placement. A product placement post that is a result of a misbalance in numbers different cuts and vendors are mentioned on Pricescope.

No one suggested different cuts because that is not what she was asking when she made this thread. She wanted an AVR, and was concerned about color. It would be overstepping if someone was to tell her that the AVR and the AVC is not the stone she wants and to look at something else when clearly that's what she wants. I believe its also against forum policy to push someone towards a certain cut or vendor when that was not the question.

 

[Christina...]

InnaR: Thats ridiculous! To imply that this is product placement is to imply that every single person that posted and didn't suggest a different vendor or different cut had to be in on it too. The fact is that if you want a modern antique cut then there are only a few places to purchase one. Everyone has a preferred vendor, and in fact in the beginning of the thread the OP wasn't pleased at all with the service that she was getting from this specific vendor and posted several times about her frustration.

In fact your 2 post seems to imply more of an attack on a specific vendor than Catias entire thread screams product placement. It's only been a couple of hours since she posted about her experience under Lowes lighting so there has hardly been time for anyone to mention that it's not the ideal environment to assess typical light performance, but she also acknowledged that in her post. People are always impressed at how their stones perform in this type of lighting and post about it often, people don't automatically go on the attack for it, especially when the stone has been observed in many other lighting environments.

As for AVR and AVC being thrown around, I believe that was done for clarity sake. OP has viewed and posted about several stones, differentiating one from the other becomes necessary to the readers of her posts and lets face it AVC and AVR are much easier to type out than modern antique cut cushion and modern antique cut round, it's ridiculous to imply that she should have. We all do this, who cares that these two happen to be branded cuts?!
EDIT: And perhaps you should take a look a some of Catias other threads where she was asking specifically about finding a OEC. This isn't the beginning of her journey, it's the conclusion.

Catia, I'm happy that you've finally settled on a stone, I know that it was a long journey for you. Don't let the attitudes of one spoil your excitement. Can't wait to see you beautiful new AVC set!

 

[InnaR]

In fact your 2 post seems to imply more of an attack on a specific vendor than Catias entire thread screams product placement.

Again, I said what meant to say. I would love to see a Pricescope be a balanced consumer community. For now i'm just going to wait and see what would be a reaction of the regular poster on customer's decision to buy a stone that performed amazingly well under Lowes lighting.