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gregchang35

gregchang35

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I am looking at this argyle pink and would like input.

I liked the look of this diamond and thinking of purchasing for one of my daughters for a significant future event gift. They are only 3yo an 10mo!!!! So, I would like to hear from ppl about this stone. I live in AUS and that means import tax and GST that i have to pay on top of the price. This means that viewing them in person is something that i would like to avoid, as the taxes equate to 17% + shipping, if i dont like it. i also understand that my opinion matters the most... however, given the novice that i am with Argyle pinks, i am hoping that the more experienced PS are able to help me out.

black is the obstruction from the camera i assume.

here are the pics. sorry i couldnt magnify them anymore than that.

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Photos :)

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No grading report from GIA?

I assume this is from leibish?
 
Thanx JG!!!!! :P
Thanx DS 2006 :wavey:


Proto it does have a GIA report. Clarity= VS colour = FIP.
 
0.15 ct
$6000-7000

I am trying to avoid someone purchasing it before me. So am trying to be as general as I can.
 
It looks very pretty.
 
I think it is very pretty...the color is lovely!
 
gregchang35|1403360433|3697962 said:
black is the obstruction from the camera i assume.
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The black appearing in the diamond is obstruction and/or reflections of the black camera and lens.

If a longer macro lens were used, like a 200mm instead of a 100mm, that would let the camera be further from the diamond and we probably would have seen less of this dark area, perhaps none.
However seeing less black may not mean the diamond is any better-cut.

Think of a mirror angled to reflect something black in the room.
That doesn't mean it is a black mirror.
It just means three things were lined up a certain way, the black thing, the mirror and the camera ... move one of the trree and the black thing is no longer visible in the mirror.

The black is not in the diamond.
It is an artifact of the photography.

I will open a can of worms here.
A research project is called for but I suggest we should give little or no consideration to these dark areas in pics when comparing diamonds.

Someone may argue, "But I'd rather pic a diamond with less obstruction".
I don't blame you, but think about this ...
Your head is not the size of the camera.
Hairdo size varies.
Distance from your head to the diamond will vary.
Distance from camera to diamond varies.

There are so many variables that when you compare how much 'obstruction black' various diamonds have in their pics you are not comparing cut quality like you think you are.
You are comparing how THAT diamond responds to THAT camera, in THAT environment, in THAT lighting, with THAT lens, at THAT distance, cropped in THAT amount.
None of that has anything to do with how the diamond will be viewed in real life.

All this said, I DO believe some diamonds will have less obstruction than others, because of better cut.
I just think to demonstrate this we'd need to do a lot of research and standardize photography set ups.
That is NEVER going to happen.
Herding cats would be easier.
IMO live is the only way to be compare obstruction in various diamonds.
Sorry that this is not helpful ... but I think it is true.
 
Kenny, with a coloured step cut demonstrating obstruction (like this), what is likely to be seen when there isn't a giant black camera right in front of it? Will those areas likely be clear, or coloured? For some reason my brain assumes that these areas of black will actually not be seen as pink IRL. Is that a weird brain trick, since all of my experience with obstruction in photos is based on colourless stones?
 
justginger|1403399957|3698341 said:
Kenny, with a coloured step cut demonstrating obstruction (like this), what is likely to be seen when there isn't a giant black camera right in front of it? Will those areas likely be clear, or coloured? For some reason my brain assumes that these areas of black will actually not be seen as pink IRL. Is that a weird brain trick, since all of my experience with obstruction in photos is based on colourless stones?
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Quote, "my brain assumes that these areas of black will actually not be seen as pink IRL"
I can see how a person would think that but it is not correct, as anyone would discover if they did enough photography of gems.

The parts that are black in the pic will be as pink as the parts of the diamond that look pink in the pic.

If you moved the diamond a bit, parts that looked black will look pink and some parts that looked pink will look black.
Again image several mirrors in front of you that are being moved to change their angles.
None of the mirrors themselves are black; they just reflect the black of something in the room.


Thank you for being honest with your gut instinct though; it is very informative to the discussion.
The entire area of a pink diamond will look pink unless something very bright or very dark happens to be reflected by an area of the diamond.
The very bright and very dark reflections are merely overpowering the pink body color, much as someone screaming will prevent you from hearing someone talking.

This is why we put FCDs in white light tents.
It prevents overly bright and dark things in the environment and light sources themselves from being reflected by parts of the diamond.
If a diamond can see something it can reflect it.
Unfortunately the camera, at least the lens, has to be present in front of the diamond - otherwise you can't take a pic.
 
Hi JG and KEnny,

JG you have written what i was thinking.

Kenny- thanx for the insight on the facets and their reflection of the light source depending on where that light source is.

I am still concerned with the obstruction and totally understand that is something that must be viewed to fully appreciate whether it suits me or not. However, given the taxes that i have to pay, it is approx $1000, to find out that it is not that great a diamond, i am loathing to commit, yet. Hence, my posting on here to see/ hear the more experienced PSer to give guidance.

I have been back to their website and seen another that i like but there is quite a difference in $

Stone 1 pros Cons
Emerald cut
0.15ct smaller than stone 2
GIA colour FIP
Argyle colour 5PR in the range i like
VVS1 nice clarity
Price In budget
Obstruction Obstruction

Stone 2 Pros Cons
Emerald cut
0.17ct Bigger size
GIA colour FIP
Argyle colour 6P- just slightly out of range but happy with it enough to have it in the pro column
Si2 Eyeclean for me. Not as paper classification clean as stone 1
Price Above budget $1500
Obstruction less than stone 1

Now just based on the photos that have been taken, stone 2 has less obstruction and may be one of the reasons that it is $1750 more than stone 1.

Hoping to get more input. I totally understand it is my decision and i am not asking anyone to make it for me. I want to learn so that i can make an informed decision.

thanx guys. input so far has been awesome....

another_pink_i_like.jpg
 
Is it possible for you to put the photos together side by side like in Photoshop or something? Hard to compare since the images are small.

Kroshka
 
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