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pinkrose

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I''m looking for verification more than a full appraisal. And it seems all I can find here are full appraisals. So far I found a local graduate gemologist GIA who does appraisals who offers better rates than Independent Gemmological Appraisers and EGL. Do you think it would be ok to see him? I''m not sure which place would be the better choice.
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Many of the Independent appraisers listed here who have posted their full fees will agree to do a short verification for a reduced fee. However, I find very few consumers really want only such limited information once they see the sort of information they might have if they were willing to pay the full amount. I suppose the "full amount" needs to be judged as reasonable.

People are simply afraid of being cheated. They don't want the diamond vendor to cheat them any more than they want to overpay the appraiser. It is understandable.

Appraisers are required by various codes of ethics to provide complete work and advice. If a task is limited by the client, we can choose to do it or refuse. When the client is likely to suffer because of incomplete information, an appraiser is obligated to refuse. If a client has enough information to make an informed choice, then some appraisers can assist you in a more limited way.

Hope this helps.
 
Thanks David for the help.
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Many years ago, back when I was young and stupid, I used to do verifications. I now refuse for exactly the reasons that David has outlined. It’s rarely what the client wants or needs, even though it’s often what they will ask for. Generally, the root of such a request is that the client wants to know if they got a good deal on a recent purchase. Matching a stone to a lab report does not answer this question nor does it give the client sufficient information to make an informed decision themselves. I ended up needing to do the work, and take all the liability anyway. If the stone has a significant defect that’s not mentioned on the lab report it would be a disservice to my clients to not both look for and report this information. I needed to do a full appraisal and write a full report anyway, the only real difference was whether I got paid. Now I’m old and stupid, I’ve got more experience, I’ve got better equipment and I charge for what the job requires. It’s good to work fast, but never half-assed. Unfortunately, sometimes it’s difficult for a client to tell the difference.


Neil Beaty
GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA
Professional Appraisals in Denver
 

If the stone has a significant defect that’s not mentioned on the lab report it would be a disservice to my clients to not both look for and report this information.




For my own education, what are some examples of defects in the stone that a GIA cert would NOT include in the lab report?
 
Thanks for everyones'' advice. I''m now going for the full appraisal instead.

Am I supposed to bring in my GIA grading report to show them? Two places told me to do so, but isn''t the point to see if this 2nd appraisal matches the GIA report I have? Why do I have to show them the GIA cert.? Does that sound fishy or is this common standard? Or will they appraise first and then check to see if it matches up afterwards?
 
Date: 11/1/2006 5:08:01 PM
Author: Upside Down Man

For my own education, what are some examples of defects in the stone that a GIA cert would NOT include in the lab report?

Damage and/or treatments that occured after the lab saw the stones.
Extremely thin girdles that are described as thin on the lab report.
Certain inclusions that cause durability concerns in specific locations, like near the points on fancy cuts.
''Overblue'' fluorescence that causes a milky appearance in certain lights, especially sunlight.
''Cloud not shown'' clouds that affect light performance but that aren''t noted on the report.
Grading errors.
Craftsmanship or engineering problems with the mounting.
Presence or absence of symmetry patterning (ex H&A)
Light behavior
Cut grading. Even on rounds their system is insufficient. On other shapes it''s non-existant

Neil Beaty
GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA
Professional Appraisals in Denver
 
I''m with you totally on this Neil. I do the full report because it is in the best interests of the consumer.

I''m older, smarter, wiser and balder
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. Is that even a word.. "balder?"

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Pink rose,

Yes. Bring in your GIA diamond grading report for comparison after your appraiser does his/her own analysis.
Most appraisers do not want to see the report first.
Then, if questions or differences arise, they can be addressed during your appointment.
Some folks like to "test" us (and that''s fine) but in the end if you have a lab document it is usually in your best interest to let your appraiser know.
A diamond graded loose will be more accurate than the grading of a mounted diamond.

www.metrojewelryappraisers.com
 
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