Amazing chrysoberyl pair from Richard Wise!!

[soberguy]

I have wanted a chrysoberyl for a long time but none really spoke to me. Then I saw these!!!

http://rwwise.com/products/category|122

Thoughts?

 

[minousbijoux]

They are very pretty, but they're huge. What would you do with two stones that size? They also look like they're not an exact match for color (one is slightly lighter), perhaps in part due to the off-center pavilion that one has. HTH.

 

[meredeth11]

Wowwwwwww~~~The pair is too dazzling, clear and pure enough!! But it is too expensive to have one. By the way, right now I can only dotting and affording some not that expensive items in Pandahall, fire mountain and artbeads.

 

[Lady_Disdain]

The price seems quite good - just a little over $185 per carat for a large, good colour pair. However, 4 carats each is large for earrings! I would rather see them in rings for a mother and daughter, sisters or best friends. Each ring designed according to the wearer's taste, but tied together by the stone.

 

[LD]

Am I the only one that doesn't think these are special? To my eye they are bog standard Chrysoberyls. The only difference is that they're a pair and big. The colour doesn't rock my world. If you compare to TL's stunningly gorgeous Chryso's you'll see what I mean.

 

[Lady_Disdain]

True but, then again, her stone isn't a $185/carat stone, if I remember correctly. I think these are nice stones and well priced. Are they the best chrysoberyls out there? Nope.

 

[LD]

LadyD - I think that much better neon type Chryso's can be found for a similar price. If I recall TL and Chrono (although not sure about Chrono) bought both of theirs from Tan. I may be wrong but their stones knock these into the shade. My concern is that people may think that because they're being sold by Richard Wise they must be top quality. Like I said, the size of these is good and if looking for a pair they're a good find.

 

[Lula]

Am I the only one that doesn't think these are special? To my eye they are bog standard Chrysoberyls. The only difference is that they're a pair and big. The colour doesn't rock my world. If you compare to TL's stunningly gorgeous Chryso's you'll see what I mean.

I agree with LD on the color. They are well-priced, though, and huge. So if you've got a specific project in mind that requires large, durable stones -- for example, a pendant/bracelet set -- they'd be perfect.

ETA: Just saw minous's comments on the cutting. I'd consider asking one of the cutters if tweaking the cut on the one with the off-center culet would improve the "match" with the other stone. That would bug me.

 

[erinl]

Those chrysoberyl look a little "golden" to me, meaning they look khaki, not neon. I may be wrong, but they definitely do not have the saturation of TL's, Chrono's, or mine. I think Chrono said she paid about 200 a carat? But that was some time ago and a lucky find from Tan.

 

[erinl]

Are you looking for a pair? If not, I think there is really nice one on Jeff Davies's ebay store..

http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odkw=&_osacat=0&_armrs=1&_ssn=jeffdvs101&_trksid=m570.l3201&_nkw=chrysoberyl&_sacat=0

 

[VapidLapid]

They are large, which is hard to come by in chrysoberyl. I wouldn't say they are pure yellow, but they are not overly greeny like most chrysoberyls, as the jeff davis ones are. While the color is nice, the saturation appears lacking such that in non studio lighting they may look pale. I would expect a pervasive tilt window in the one on the right, and a similar one sided tilt in the wonky one on the left.

 

[Lady_Disdain]

Those chrysoberyl look a little "golden" to me, meaning they look khaki, not neon. I may be wrong, but they definitely do not have the saturation of TL's, Chrono's, or mine. I think Chrono said she paid about 200 a carat? But that was some time ago and a lucky find from Tan.

I have been looking for neon chrysoberyls for a little over a year - anything neon is, by now, well over $200/ct for 2ct stones. But if anyone sees a nice affordable neon, point me to it!

 

[ChrisA222]

Add me to the list of people looking for neon Chrysoberyls...and thats even if they are over $200/ct. I haven't been able to find a single one...not since Erins (Erin, if you ever want to sell...lol)

Ive seen some that are close...like one of Jeffs stones...but, I have not seen a single one that approaches Erins, which I consider to be the best Chrysoberyl I've ever seen...

 

[PrecisionGem]

I find Chrysoberyl to be very hard to photograph and get a true color. With out seeing them in person, it's really impossible to comment on the color and compare to a different photo, from a different camera with different lights.

 

[minousbijoux]

I have a bunch of neon chrysoberyl I got from Tan and Roger Dery a while ago. For some of Roger's, I paid more than $200/ct, but it was for vivid saturation, really neon (ever so slightly greenish tinge), and it was precision cut. Tan's were of course much cheaper per carat, well cut but not precision cut. I'd have to go back and look, but the ones I've kept are pairs I matched over time and they are much smaller than the Soberguy's pair, probably averaging around or under 2 cts each.

I agree that Wise's are not vividly saturated and with the bit of brown I see they look more like the ones from Sri Lanka than Tanzania. In fact, SG, if you like these, you might want to contact Sri Lanka gems and colorful gems on ebay. I haven't bought from her for a while, but in the past, I bought a lot of spinel, some sapphires, and a few chrysos. I should see if I have a photo, but I bought from her an extremely well cut, 4 ct cushion chrysoberyl that reminds me a lot of Wise's stones. She is located in the US, so returns are a snap, and she sells Sri Lankan material. So you won't get the neon chryso, but you get nice stones for what was then (a few years back now) dirt cheap prices, like well under the prices we are talking here. I don't want to say a price I paid because there is nothing more frustrating than hearing the great prices someone else got when its no longer available. But do keep in mind I don't think I've ever seen her selling pairs (though you could probably match two stones), and on average, hers are smaller in size.

Now I'll go see if I have a picture of it for comparison purposes...

PS. I just read Gene's post, and for whatever reason, I don't find chrysos to be hard to judge at all, especially if one talks to the vendor. But Gene brings up a good point that maybe SG should talk with Wise to see if they are better than that in hand.

 

[minousbijoux]

Well, I don't have photos of it except group shots, taken outside with all the chrysoberyls together, where you can't make out the stone at all, only that its different in color - more brownish than the rest - and I'm afraid it'll scare you off her stones, lol! I keep my good stones at the bank so I don't have it here to photograph for you.

 

[PrecisionGem]

PS. I just read Gene's post, and for whatever reason, I don't find chrysos to be hard to judge at all, especially if one talks to the vendor. But Gene brings up a good point that maybe SG should talk with Wise to see if they are better than that in hand.

I didn't say hard to judge, I said hard to photograph.

 

[Lula]

Richard says the color is greenish yellow, and I'm seeing brown, and no green. Reading PrecisionGem's last post, though, it might be worth asking Richard if he's got other photos of these on a lighter background. The gems could be reflecting the dark background.

 

[chrono]

A dark background amps up the perceived saturation of certain gems like those with yellow and orange colouration. Taking that into account, I do not consider that vivid. If anything, I find chrysoberyl difficult to photograph because they are too bright and sparkly. If I lessen the light, they photograph well and very accurately. Pricing is all right considering the size and being a matched pair. Colour-wise, I am not attracted by them.

 

[klewis]

Hi Soberguy,


I have two gems from RWWise and in both cases the gems were exactly as they were described even when, as was the case of my Spessartite which eventually found it's home in the Phoenix ring, the vendor photo showed the stone to have brown and yet Richard's description was that it had none.
The other quality which I notice with both my stones from him is that they have the X factor which I think is what Richard Wise might describe as crystal. Based on his comments on those stones my guess would be that these stones must have been very good indeed for him to have bought them, so if you haven't already I would encourage you to ask some questions of the seller.

btw did you proceeded with the Mogul inspired Zircon ring? I thought that was going to be truly amazing.

Regards

Kester

 

[Lula]

Hmm, maybe Richard needs a better photographer. These are described by him as "vibrant canary yellow" http://rwwise.com/products/id|1953 I'm definitely not seeing canary yellow stones (on my monitor at least) in these photos.

 

[LD]

Hmm, maybe Richard needs a better photographer. These are described by him as canary yellow http://rwwise.com/products/id|1953 I'm definitely not seeing canary yellow stones (on my monitor at least) in these photos.

There was a thread a couple of years ago where Richard categorically told us that he used the best photographer and that his photography was highly accurate. Of concern in that thread was that tons of people were seeing brown in the stone (in the photo) and Richard told us we were all wrong. If I recall correctly, the stone was bought and promptly returned ............. because it had too much brown.

Personally I think all vendors could do with a lesson from Gene in how to photograph accurately. I think Gene did once explain how he did it (maybe in that same thread).

 

[Lula]

Hmm, maybe Richard needs a better photographer. These are described by him as canary yellow http://rwwise.com/products/id|1953 I'm definitely not seeing canary yellow stones (on my monitor at least) in these photos.

There was a thread a couple of years ago where Richard categorically told us that he used the best photographer and that his photography was highly accurate. Of concern in that thread was that tons of people were seeing brown in the stone (in the photo) and Richard told us we were all wrong. If I recall correctly, the stone was bought and promptly returned ............. because it had too much brown.

Personally I think all vendors could do with a lesson from Gene in how to photograph accurately. I think Gene did once explain how he did it (maybe in that same thread).

Very interesting, LD. And it makes sense that RW would use a good photographer, given the price points of most of his gems.

I'm going to see if I can find that thread. The variability in gem photography among vendors is a real stumbling block for me as a CS newbie.

 

[corundum_conundrum]

Hmm, maybe Richard needs a better photographer. These are described by him as "vibrant canary yellow" http://rwwise.com/products/id|1953 I'm definitely not seeing canary yellow stones (on my monitor at least) in these photos.

My sense is that "canary" yellow has become a lametably vacuous descriptor--sort of like "pigeon's blood" red or "cornflower" blue. Because these labels are considered optimal within these hues, these tags are appended to stones that have a fairly wide range of color. Richard calls them golden-yellow too, and that seems more accurate (they look golden-brown on the edges, and pastel yellow in the center to me). I don't see vibrant canary yellow here either, but the yellow gem world seems to suggest the canary has evolved in many different directions!

 

[LD]

Hmm, maybe Richard needs a better photographer. These are described by him as canary yellow http://rwwise.com/products/id|1953 I'm definitely not seeing canary yellow stones (on my monitor at least) in these photos.

There was a thread a couple of years ago where Richard categorically told us that he used the best photographer and that his photography was highly accurate. Of concern in that thread was that tons of people were seeing brown in the stone (in the photo) and Richard told us we were all wrong. If I recall correctly, the stone was bought and promptly returned ............. because it had too much brown.

Personally I think all vendors could do with a lesson from Gene in how to photograph accurately. I think Gene did once explain how he did it (maybe in that same thread).

Very interesting, LD. And it makes sense that RW would use a good photographer, given the price points of most of his gems.

I'm going to see if I can find that thread. The variability in gem photography among vendors is a real stumbling block for me as a CS newbie.

Lula If it's still around (and I think it may have been deleted), it got very heated. From memory, the general concensus was that the photograph was accurate but the description wasn't.

 

[VapidLapid]

Padparadscha vivid in vivo canary



brownish orange vivid in vivo canary




greenish brown vivid in vivo canary

 

[LD]

Padparadscha vivid in vivo canary



brownish orange vivid in vivo canary




greenish brown vivid in vivo canary

And a hint of cannibalism by the brownish orange vivid

Personally I think it looks like the padparadscha canary has been BE diffused! Wonder what AGL would say!

 

[Lula]

Padparadscha vivid in vivo canary



brownish orange vivid in vivo canary




greenish brown vivid in vivo canary

And a hint of cannibalism by the brownish orange vivid

Personally I think it looks like the padparadscha canary has been BE diffused! Wonder what AGL would say!

Thanks for the laugh, LD and VL The first bird is beautiful, diffused or not.

 

[Lula]

Hmm, maybe Richard needs a better photographer. These are described by him as canary yellow http://rwwise.com/products/id|1953 I'm definitely not seeing canary yellow stones (on my monitor at least) in these photos.

There was a thread a couple of years ago where Richard categorically told us that he used the best photographer and that his photography was highly accurate. Of concern in that thread was that tons of people were seeing brown in the stone (in the photo) and Richard told us we were all wrong. If I recall correctly, the stone was bought and promptly returned ............. because it had too much brown.

Personally I think all vendors could do with a lesson from Gene in how to photograph accurately. I think Gene did once explain how he did it (maybe in that same thread).

Very interesting, LD. And it makes sense that RW would use a good photographer, given the price points of most of his gems.

I'm going to see if I can find that thread. The variability in gem photography among vendors is a real stumbling block for me as a CS newbie.

Lula If it's still around (and I think it may have been deleted), it got very heated. From memory, the general concensus was that the photograph was accurate but the description wasn't.

Thanks, LD. So would you put more stock in the photo or the description (hypothetically speaking) when there's a big difference between the photo and the description? Maybe that's not such an easy question, but it is frustrating when there is a big difference between the photos and the description, and even more frustrating when the vague animal-flower-bird terminology is thrown in as well, as corundum-corundrum says.

 

[LD]

Lula - there's no easy answer. Some I would trust photo and description, others I wouldn't trust either! I'm afraid you learn only by buying and evaluating yourself or by seeing what others have. It's one of the reasons why we have a compare the vendor's photo to the stone you received.