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Allegations against Harvey Weinstein

Discussion in 'Hangout' started by whitewave, Oct 6, 2017.

  1. whitewave
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    by monarch64 » Oct 7, 2017
    There have been rumors about him for years and years, from what I understand. It's not just young women actors this happens to--remember Corey Haim? He and Corey Feldman apparently/allegedly went through similar abuse when they were child actors. The entire Hollywood veneer is rife with sex abuse. Kind of like the political world, churches, etc. Anywhere there is power, there is sex abuse.
     
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    by whitewave » Oct 7, 2017
    Yes, and I am glad Ashley Judd is blowing the roof off of the secrecy. The rumors have been around for years and it's past time to name these predators.
     
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    by luv2sparkle » Oct 7, 2017
    This kind of thing no longer surprises me, I am sorry to say.
     
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    by whitewave » Oct 7, 2017
    Especially when actresses publicly support Woody Allen and Roman Polanski.
     
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    by monarch64 » Oct 7, 2017
    I forget what Polanski directed or did, but I know I can't watch a Woody Allen movie at all since the scandal with his and Mia's adopted daughter. Not that I ever was drawn to his movies before...
     
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    by Bonfire » Oct 7, 2017
    Rosemary’s Baby is what Polanski is most noted for I think. He was to be tried for Statutory Rape but fled the country.
     
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    by monarch64 » Oct 7, 2017
    I hate to google it...did he "allegedly" have sex with a 13 year old girl? I knew he left the US and people have wanted his head on a spear for ages over it, but that's the extent of my knowledge. Yuck.
     
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    by Bonfire » Oct 7, 2017
    Yeah pretty seedy stuff. He was also married to Sharon Tate who was murdered by Charles Mason’s goons. There was some talk in the news not long ago about extraditing him back to the U.S. Don’t know what happened with that though.
     
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    by azstonie » Oct 7, 2017
    He was tried; he admits he had sex with/sodomized a 13-year-old. His 'excuses' include that her mother pimped her out to him----he didn't know her age---she's gone on record saying she's moved on now and doesn't want him serving time, etc.

    Tough nougies. He made a deal with the Prosecution and then he fled the country. If he was black or brown they'd have gone and gotten him.
     
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    by monarch64 » Oct 7, 2017
    Thanks for the additional info, ladies. Very upsetting to know the world hasn't changed much, and seems like it won't anytime soon.
     
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    by Bonfire » Oct 7, 2017
    Really? Bill Cosby for one, has been an incredibly powerful figure in Hollywood. He’s been abusing (and I won’t say allegedly) women for decades. He hasn’t been treated any differently, in fact his celebrity has afforded him the power to turn the tables on his accusers. Power is power and sexual abuse is sexual abuse whether white, black or green.
     
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    by whitewave » Oct 7, 2017
    Polanski plied her with quaaludes and had anal sex with her also.

    IIRC other movie stars were there and knew what he was doing-- Angelicia Houston maybe..

    Eta: another woman rcently came out and accused him of the same thing. (Polanski)
     
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    by monarch64 » Oct 7, 2017
    AZstonie, I remember now having thought similarly a few years ago when I first heard of the Pulanski case. I thought, if the woman doesn't want to pursue justice and just wants to forget, due process has been served and that's that. That is a terrible weight to have on one's mind/heart and I can understand how it could hold someone back and really ruin their life even further than the actual physical events that took place.

    I don't know that I want to address the race issue. It is and it isn't separate. I'm sure in Women's Studies in college had i been assigned the topic, I could've easily written a 10-20 page paper on it, including the intricacies of allll the issues involved wherein.

    Sometimes on PS I find myself overwhelmed. There are a lot of highly intelligent folks here who raise so many good points and at times I can't keep up. But I read their posts and ponder things anyway, and there have been many times my mind and life have changed because of doing so.
     
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    by azstonie » Oct 7, 2017
    Bill Cosby is still walking around, free, smirking. He bought a mistrial. Nothing similar btw Cosby and Polanski.
     
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    by Tekate » Oct 7, 2017
    Man, this guy is a POS. Entitled? he sure thought so. Power corrupts. His own brother wants to fire him, he must really be a narcissist. Another guy with a god complex.

    He paid off at least 10 girls. I hope more people come out and speak. I give huge kudos to Amber Tamblyn, she called out James Woods as a hypocrite and a pedophile. She has been outspoken about the treatment of women and girls in Hollywood. We need the young women to speak about it, I had my share of creeps in my life, back in the 'dinosaur' age as Weinstein called it, those days when you had no recourse like today, when all the guy was doing was 'flirting' (with my bra strap). Hopefully Weinstein will go to jail, or slither back to his hole and disappear.
     
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    by azstonie » Oct 7, 2017
    I worked as a lounge musician in Reno and LV when I was fresh out of university and even back then I was warned about Cosby by other performers.

    The symphonic or orchestral music worlds (what people call "classical" music) is even sleazier than R&R and pop/Top 40 in my experience because it has a thin veneer of 'culture.'

    The movie biz, though, is the absolute bottom/barrel.
     
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    by Bonfire » Oct 7, 2017
    Similar in that they both drug and exploit (rape) women, and under age girls.
     
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    by valeria101 » Oct 7, 2017
    I wonder what they'll do to the next round of women to keep them from producing news like this ...
     
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    by azstonie » Oct 8, 2017
    Well, Cos administered drugs to achieve simulated necrophilia. Polansky offered drugs for disinhibition.
     
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    by azstonie » Oct 8, 2017
    Kind of splitting hairs, they are both scumbag criminals.
     
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    by Arkteia » Oct 8, 2017
    It did not start with Roman Polanski. It started in the times of Charlie Chaplin, and Chaplin's career in Hollywood ended because of the paternity lawsuit filed by Joan Barry. I think she was somewhat underage, too, and had mental illness, and even Chaplin's paternity was disproven, however, he did like young, dark-haired starlets, his second wife got pregnant while starring in his film (I think she was 17).

    And Chaplin was not the first one, either.

    It is a longtime, sad tradition. With Hollywood, Bollywood, with actresses and actors, too, with singers and all "star factories".

    I once saw a movie about an exceptionally popular and talented Russian modern singer. She started in the 90-es and was unknown; her producer stole her songs. She decided to become an actress, was studying, met a rich gypsy man whom she married...But all was going very slowly till she met a Kazakh oligarch who owned a network of concert halls.

    And here is where the authors of the movie made an amazing acknowledgement. They said, "it is impossible for a woman, no matter how talented and beautiful she is, to make it in the entertainment industry on her own. There always has to be a man investing in her".

    I think the problem that the Hollywood actresses face is that apart from the ones who had fathers in the business, such as Paltrow or Jolie, others might not want to go back in memory. Or, worse, they don't want to be blackballed by the industry.

    (Not only actresses. Entertainers, too. High fashion.
    Men, too. A one-time French male sex symbol, famous for his affairs with the most beautiful women, got his first role by sleeping with the male producer).

    It is that ugly world. I think as more women of power are moving in, things might be changing.
     
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    by PintoBean » Oct 8, 2017
    I like reading celebrity blind items. They've often referred to Harvey's girls where he'd have some blonde ingenue propped up as the next IT and of course there was the casting couch and other sordid things thrown into the mix.
     
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    ^ yes. typically what's reported and made known on blind item sites ends up being true. So, plus one from me.
     
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    by Bonfire » Oct 8, 2017
    Perhaps an argumentative distinction? My point @azstonie in bringing up Bill Cosby, goes back to your earlier comment regarding Polanski’s fleeing the country. You said, “If he was black or brown they’d have gone and gotten him.” Perhaps you see it differently, however I don’t see that Mr. Cosby has had a disadvantage in our judicial system because he is black.
    Your argument highlighting differing means they use to assault is moot.

    I will say it again, powerful men in powerful institutions prey on vulnerable women/children. From Hollywood to Priests to Politicians to Medical Professionals. My 2 cents.
     
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    by Arkteia » Oct 8, 2017
    And what about Hugh Heffner's girls? They agreed to play their roles because Hugh gave parties where lots of Hollywood celebrities showed up. Maybe these girls hoped that by living in Hugh's mansion they would make it into movie business? But what did these celebrities think of the situation? It looked ugly, an old lecherous man surrounded by these bunnies. But I bet no celebrity rejected the invitation.
     
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    Roger that.

    It's my thought that Cosby has gotten away with his crimes because he's wealthy and a celebrity and a cunning psychopath to boot.

    I was thinking of John Doe African-American, or John Doe Latino or Hispanic, no money to speak of, no celebrity status.

    Its just a pisser to me that Polanski has been allowed to be free even though he skipped on his plea agreement. Special treatment for decades.
     
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