Advice Needed

[ChrisKuz]

I''ve spent some time looking around the site and now feel that I am ready to make a decision. Please let me know what you think of the stone outlined below. Any input is greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Round Brilliant - 6.54-6.56X3.93
Carat 1.028
Cut: AGS Ideal 0
Color: G
Clarity: SI2
Polish: Ideal
Symmetry: Ideal
Table: 57.4%
Crown Angle: 33.3
Crown Height: 13.9%
Girdle: Faceted, 1.4% to 3.5%
Pavilion Angle: 40.8
Pavilion Depth: 42.9%
Star Length: 50%
Lower Girdle Length: 78%
Total Depth: 60%
Culet: Pointed

Flourescence : Negligible
Comments : Additional clouds are not shown.

 

[stone-cold11]

Numbers look good to me.

Do you have IS/ASET images of the stone?

Is it eye-clean and does the inclusions affect the optical performance?

 

[ChrisKuz]

I am told the stone is eye clean.

I saw a image of the stone, inclusions were not dark and did not stand out. Clouds shown on the cert. Should I be concerned about the clouds?? There are a few of them on the cert. Don''t have a ASET, but I''ve spoken with AGS and they have one on file. Do I ask the local store to bring it in or just visually inspect when the stone comes in (dealer is bringing it in)?

Thanks for the response,

 

[stone-cold11]

Ya, clouds could be a problem at SI2 level. Best to send it to an independent appraiser to take a look at the stone or if you really trust your jeweler, ask for his opinion, as you might not know what to look for.

 

[ChrisKuz]

Would getting the ASET help solve this issue?

 

[ChrisKuz]

What should I be looking for?

 

[stone-cold11]

ASET scope might, but the ASET AGS on file will not help as it is a computer generated from the stone''s proportion.

Viewing it personally, look to see if it becomes hazy or go lifeless in as many different lighting conditions as you can find. Best to have another AGS0 stone side by side as a comparison.

 

[ChrisKuz]

I don''t think I am going to have the opportunity to have another AGS0 beside it, but I''ll take a good look at the stone in as many lighting conditions as possible.

Thanks you very much for the help, I''ll post the results.

 

[stone-cold11]

Good luck.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 7/20/2009 9:32:13 PM
Author: ChrisKuz
What should I be looking for?

If clouds are noted on the plotting diagram as grade setters, or the reason the diamond is SI2 then these can sometimes impact brilliance, best to get a pro to check the diamond out if this is the case. Look on the plotting diagram, it is says clouds and they are drawn on the diagram then proceed with caution.

Apart from that the diamond has potential and good numbers if the clouds aren't an issue.

 

[ChrisKuz]

I just got off the phone with the store that is bringing in the stone for me. The salesman, a GIA certified gemologist, claims that he wouldn''t worry about the clouds, that it''s more of an issue with I clarity stones. This kinda concerns me as I am hearing a different story on the forum. However, that being said I think he is a pretty stand up guy, I still haven''t committed to the stone either. He said he would be more worried about other types of inclusions that could really stand out in the stone. Further, the salesman said that we can take the diamond into a number of different lighting conditions and see how it looks. As a bonus, he does have a couple of other AGS0''s in the store that I can use to compare against my potential stone.

Any thoughts? Should I still look at getting the stone checked out by an independant third party?

 

[stone-cold11]

Seems good. But get it appraised independently as it is required for insurance anyway.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 7/21/2009 3:50:35 PM
Author: ChrisKuz
I just got off the phone with the store that is bringing in the stone for me. The salesman, a GIA certified gemologist, claims that he wouldn't worry about the clouds, that it's more of an issue with I clarity stones. This kinda concerns me as I am hearing a different story on the forum. However, that being said I think he is a pretty stand up guy, I still haven't committed to the stone either. He said he would be more worried about other types of inclusions that could really stand out in the stone. Further, the salesman said that we can take the diamond into a number of different lighting conditions and see how it looks. As a bonus, he does have a couple of other AGS0's in the store that I can use to compare against my potential stone.

Any thoughts? Should I still look at getting the stone checked out by an independant third party?

Definitely get an appraisal with SI2 grade setting clouds, one of our experts has noticed some SI clarities with troublesome clouds so it would be prudent to get a third party to check. I would not be comfortable advising you to just assume the diamond's clouds will be ok in view of what I have seen and heard here, so the appraisal would be worthwhile in my opinion. If you get the thumbs up well and good.

Here is a tool you can use to find an appraiser in your area.

https://www.pricescope.com/appr_list.aspx

 

[ChrisKuz]

Thanks again for the help, I''m actually in Canada, it seems to be a bit more difficult to find the same level of technology when it comes to diamond grading tools. The money/time is not the issue I would have with another apprasial, its the accuracy and value gained from it that I am concerned about. I don''t have alot of faith in the options around me.

When you say troublesome clouds what exactly do you mean?

How can I explain to a appraser what exactly they should be looking for? ie. "There are clouds in this stone do they affect the visual performance of the stone"? Or is there something that I can add to be more specific??

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 7/21/2009 5:07:25 PM
Author: ChrisKuz


Thanks again for the help, I'm actually in Canada, it seems to be a bit more difficult to find the same level of technology when it comes to diamond grading tools. The money/time is not the issue I would have with another apprasial, its the accuracy and value gained from it that I am concerned about. I don't have alot of faith in the options around me.

When you say troublesome clouds what exactly do you mean?

How can I explain to a appraser what exactly they should be looking for? ie. 'There are clouds in this stone do they affect the visual performance of the stone'? Or is there something that I can add to be more specific??

Some grade setting clouds in SI clarity grades and more often SI2 can affect the brilliance of the diamond, so it is always best if clouds are noted as grade setters and drawn on the clarity plot to get an independant pro to evaluate the stone to make sure transparency and brilliance are not affected. That is what I mean by troublesome, potentially troublesome clouds might have been a better description.

Yes, say to an appraiser ' there are grade making clouds in my SI2 clarity stone, can you check to see if in your opinion these clouds are ok and not affecting brilliance and transparency."