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bennylo

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Hi I've been doing some research and spent some time at various jewellers and cannot really decide between the following 3 round brillant diamonds. The diamond is to be set on a simple white gold or platinum non-paved ring. I would appreciate other members advice if any of the diamonds is to be avoided. :doh:Thank you in advance for your time and help.

Diamond 1:
0.66 carat, H, SI1 (eye clean), 3x Excellent
Depth: 61.4 %
Table: 59 %
Crown Angle: 35.0°
Crown Height: 14.5%
Pavilion Angle: 41.0°
Pavilion Depth: 43.0%

Diamond 2:
0.56 carat, G, VS2, 3x Excellent
Depth: 60.7 %
Table: 59 %
Crow angle: 34.5°
Crown Height: 14%
Pavilion Angle: 40.8°
Pavilion Depth: 43.0%

Diamond 3:
0.66 carat, F, SI2 (eye clean, only white inclusions), 3x Very Good
Depth: 62.3 %
Table: 56 %
Crown Angle: 36.0°
Crown Height: 16.0%
Pavilion Angle: 40.2°
Pavilion Depth: 42.0%
 
Hello BennyLo! Based on numbers alone, I would rank them like this:

First choice:
Diamond 2:
0.56 carat, G, VS2, 3x Excellent
Depth: 60.7 %
Table: 59 %
Crow angle: 34.5°
Crown Height: 14%
Pavilion Angle: 40.8°
Pavilion Depth: 43.0%

Second Choice:
Diamond 1:
0.66 carat, H, SI1 (eye clean), 3x Excellent
Depth: 61.4 %
Table: 59 %
Crown Angle: 35.0°
Crown Height: 14.5%
Pavilion Angle: 41.0°
Pavilion Depth: 43.0%

I'd let this one go:
Diamond 3:
0.66 carat, F, SI2 (eye clean, only white inclusions), 3x Very Good
Depth: 62.3 %
Table: 56 %
Crown Angle: 36.0°
Crown Height: 16.0%
Pavilion Angle: 40.2°
Pavilion Depth: 42.0%

I hope this helps!
 
ABKIS said:
Hello BennyLo! Based on numbers alone, I would rank them like this:

First choice:
Diamond 2:
0.56 carat, G, VS2, 3x Excellent
Depth: 60.7 %
Table: 59 %
Crow angle: 34.5°
Crown Height: 14%
Pavilion Angle: 40.8°
Pavilion Depth: 43.0%

Second Choice:
Diamond 1:
0.66 carat, H, SI1 (eye clean), 3x Excellent
Depth: 61.4 %
Table: 59 %
Crown Angle: 35.0°
Crown Height: 14.5%
Pavilion Angle: 41.0°
Pavilion Depth: 43.0%

I'd let this one go:
Diamond 3:
0.66 carat, F, SI2 (eye clean, only white inclusions), 3x Very Good
Depth: 62.3 %
Table: 56 %
Crown Angle: 36.0°
Crown Height: 16.0%
Pavilion Angle: 40.2°
Pavilion Depth: 42.0%

I hope this helps!
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My rankings are the same: 2, 1 & 3!
 
I agree with @ABKIS on the general order, however, I would personally avoid all of them.
1st one has a larger than preferred table at 59% it is a 60/60 type stone. It is also smaller than the other options.
2nd one doesn't have complimentary crown and pavilion angles (35/41) so it is going to have some leakage. Also it has a large table. I would avoid it.

The third one doesn't have good angles, there will be light leakage.

If you want us to help you find an amazing stone, please just share your total budget.

Also and especially at that size you can comfortably drop down to H (even I) and SI to maximize cut and size!
 
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I too wouldn’t choose any of them, I think the experts here can pretty much find you something amazing no matter what your budget!
 
Many thanks guys! I really appreciate your feedback and advice GearGirly, SimoneDi, Matthews1127 and ABKIS.

I think I need to spend more time looking for a better cut diamond. Do you have better options in mind in the same category (G/H, VS2/SI1, +/-0.6ct) to keep the budget in control? I would be happy to have a look at your recommendations.

I am based in London (UK). Would you know honest and trustful websites or jewellers that are worth visiting? I am also able to travel to Belgium if needed.
 
bennylo said:
Many thanks guys! I really appreciate your feedback and advice GearGirly, SimoneDi, Matthews1127 and ABKIS.

I think I need to spend more time looking for a better cut diamond. Do you have better options in mind in the same category (G/H, VS2/SI1, +/-0.6ct) to keep the budget in control? I would be happy to have a look at your recommendations.

I am based in London (UK). Would you know honest and trustful websites or jewellers that are worth visiting? I am also able to travel to Belgium if needed.
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What is your budget plesse?
 
Hi SimoneDi, my budget is more or less around 2500 USD (diamond + setting).
 
Thank you SimoneDi. The links seems to be broken : would you mind sharing them again?
 
bennylo said:
Thank you SimoneDi. The links seems to be broken : would you mind sharing them again?
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They are not broken - right click and open in a new tab, or hold and open in a new tab if on your phone.

You can also find the diamond by stock number: LD09116719
 
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bennylo said:
Thank you. I managed to find it with the reference. It looks good and bigger than the other diamonds I looked at.
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I would put it on hold. It is a very pretty diamond on budget. With the suggested setting (or any other alike), the total comes to $2583. BN also works in the UK.
 
That's great SimoneDi. Also from your experience regarding bluenile, how do the quality of their diamonds and settings compare to the products offered by local jewellers? How does it compare to Hatton Gardens jewellers for example?
 
bennylo said:
That's great SimoneDi. Also from your experience regarding bluenile, how do the quality of their diamonds and settings compare to the products offered by local jewellers? How does it compare to Hatton Gardens jewellers for example?
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Hatton Gardens as well as other jewelers do not have their own diamonds, meaning they do not have their own line of production. Diamonds sold by jewelers as well as diamond sold on BN come from all over the world. BN is the largest online retailer of diamonds and have a large inventory of "virtual diamonds". Those diamonds are accessible by online and B&M retailers alike. So it is not really a question about the "quality of diamonds offered", it is about being able to select a well-performing and beautiful diamond from a bunch. B&M retailers, especially in Europe, are known to not emphasize on the cut of the diamond, but rather on color/clarity, while the real beauty is produced by an exceptional cut. I suggested BN vs other online retailers because they work in the U.K. and include VAT in the total cost so you don't have to deal with that at customs. There are other vendors that we (PS) like, however, the stone I suggested is a fantastic option within budget. It is a MUCH better option than the stones you posted, I really don't like any of them, especially for the presumed cost. The cut of the stone I suggested is within the ideal proportions, it is an eye-clean and white stone, it is also larger! BN settings are stock settings. They are well made, but nothing fancy. With your budget, I would definitely invest the majority in the diamond because the setting can always be changed down the road. I will say though that I like the cathedral setting that I suggested. It also has a great price tag. BN has a 30day return policy, so you can always return the ring, if you are not happy with it. To me this is a very simple decision, but you are the decision maker here ;-)

P.S. Please tell me that you are the one who placed the BN stone on hold?
 
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Excellent, thank you for your feedback! I will take a look at bluenile this weekend and maybe purchase only a diamond : I can probably find a setting in London. I will also review review my budget given the +20% VAT added for the UK. It would have been great to pay the ex-VAT prices as in the US :angel:
 
bennylo said:
Excellent, thank you for your feedback! I will take a look at bluenile this weekend and maybe purchase only a diamond : I can probably find a setting in London. I will also review review my budget given the +20% VAT added for the UK. It would have been great to pay the ex-VAT prices as in the US :angel:
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If you did not reserve the stone I suggested then someone else did because the stone is currently unavailable. We can find a different one, but this is why we say to ask relatively fast at least in reserving the good stones.

There is no going around VAT as a UK Customer. The only way is to make a trip to the US. Nonetheless, a beautiful diamond still can be found within budget.

Lastly, wherever you buy the stone, I would purchase the setting from the same place. We are talking about a simple solitaire, the quality that you will find in local stores will not be marginally better. Also, the company where you purchase the diamond will take responsibility of the stone. If you set it locally and he stone gets chipped for example, no one is going to compensate you for the damage.
 
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Even if you buy from the US you'll still have to pay VAT when it gets to the UK.
 
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