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edison

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I've decided to ask my better half to marry me this winter. I feel like I've been researching diamonds forever. I'm a LONG time lurker here and a first time poster, so i beg your patience and guidance as I make this most important decision. :twirl:

My girl has been in love with the tiffany legacy for ages ( i know some must say - oh another legacy post) but it's what she loves. She's not big on the name so, "inspired by" rings are wonderful, and I've actually found one at excel diamonds that I am impressed with.

the question (as it should come with no surprise) is the diamond. Since as I understand it, there is no standard for emerald cuts to judge light performance (which is of most importance to me - I've seen 2+ carat rings with no life and .5 carat rings that will light up a night sky with just the moon. But after hours of staring at ASET images, certificates, plots, lightscope images, and mountains upon mountains upon MOUNTAINS of information provide by the fine community of pricescope, I've come across the 2 cuts and diamonds that i feel will best showcase the magnificent work that went in to show it's beauty. those diaminds are the AVC and the square cushion H&A.

Therein lies the dilemma, and where I'm turning to all of you. the tiffany legacy is what I would consider a heirloom ring, antique looking and vintage. Which one of these diamonds would look best? the diamonds are both about 1.26-1.31 in size so there isn't a noticeable difference in size and both in the near-colorless range. clarity ranges from SI1 to VS2

right now the square H&A impresses me with it's sparkle but I do like the Bold flashes of the AVC. But one of my concerns with the Square cushion H&A is that it looks like a square round brilliant (which i believe it essentially is) so placing that diamond in a antique halo setting would result in a clash of styles - and may look like a round brilliant in a antique halo setting. which I am opposed to. Again, i can't "imagine" it so i'm lost at what it may look like. perhaps the setting would accentuate the square/cushion shape of the diamond making my point moot. But I am impressed with the performance of this diamond.

The other option is the AVC. i feel that this cut complements the legacy the most. I feel it will look like "great grandmother's ring - and great grandmama had TASTE! :D The AVC does sand tall unlike the square H&A which is more flat on top, but I feel it may not have as much of the "BAM" look at that spark that the H&A does, but... i may be wrong. ensuring that the ring flows is important to me. Bad flow to me is like buying a Ferrari and putting terrycloth seat covers, a tweetie bird steering wheel wrap and a bumper sticker that says "follow me to Joe's cafe" ... they just don't belong together.

help me out pricescopers, don't be afraid to counter or change my mind. I am open to your suggestions and expertise. The stock sale is done, so im looking to purchase in the next three days.

halp. =)
 
Hi and welcome :) I'm sure you have seen some of the videos comparing the AVC and square H&A? That might help you decide, I also think there are some videos of AVCs in halos that may be useful. The AVC definitely has more of a vintage feel than the square H&A but I have a square H&A and can tell you it is AWESOME.
 
edison|1291839856|2791276 said:
perhaps the setting would accentuate the square/cushion shape of the diamond making my point moot. But I am impressed with the performance of this diamond.

If you go with a very similar version of the Tiffany Legacy, the center stone will be bezeled and the cushion shape should be obvious, no matter which you choose. So in the end, it should come down to which you prefer performance-wise.

http://www.tiffany.com/Engagement/Item.aspx?GroupSKU=GRP10013#f+0/0/0/0/0/0

ETA: Have you seen this video?

http://vimeo.com/6550523
 
AVC, over Square H&A for me. Reasons:

(1) Square H&A are cut deeper than AVC's so have less spread for the carat weight.
(2) AVCs sparkle like mad too! But there is more colored light return (fire) compared to the brilliance (white light) of a H&A cut. Also, the square AVCs perform almost as well as the Square H&A on the idealscope, very little leakage.
(3) It will complement the setting more, and be more unusual / vintage looking. If you can, get single-cut melee with it!
 
thank you for all the suggestions!! I knew I've come to the right place. Matt at Good Old Gold has been more than patient with me, going so far as to take pictures of the diamonds etc.

I've watch the videos over and over.... probably 34 times a day... the difficult part is deciding between the 2 because of the uniqueness of both. The magnificent flashes from everywhere with the H&A square cushions or the bold and large flashes of the AVC. also taking into effect the styles of the cut and the styles of the setting.

i like them both... and that's the problem... pricescopers maybe some more details will help you make a decision for me? lol

the square cushion H&A is a 1.26 F SI1 and the AVC is a 1.31 G VS2. does that make a difference in your opinions for me?


"You must see this diamond safely delivered to me in California. This is our most desperate hour. Help me, Obi-Wan Pricescopers. You're my only hope" - sorry star wars marathon in my home right now....

thanks again.
 
antelope1|1291845961|2791409 said:
AVC, over Square H&A for me. Reasons:

(1) Square H&A are cut deeper than AVC's so have less spread for the carat weight.
(2) AVCs sparkle like mad too! But there is more colored light return (fire) compared to the brilliance (white light) of a H&A cut. Also, the square AVCs perform almost as well as the Square H&A on the idealscope, very little leakage.
(3) It will complement the setting more, and be more unusual / vintage looking. If you can, get single-cut melee with it!


what's a single cut melee?
 
Do you have links to both stones? If so, be sure you've got them both on hold before posting.
 
Actually I think an AVC isn't a bad match for the Legacy cut... I mean, it's not nearly identical but to me the "feel" of it isn't *that* far off. I'd say it is much more a match for the Legacy look than the SCHA. (I'd use a SCHA to approximate the Novo look though.)

Just my opinion of course. I have seen both cuts in person, though.
 
Well, they're both beautiful *and* square, which I think would be best for a repro legacy setting. Tough call. I understand your dilemma!

It sounds like you're leaning toward the AVC, so I'd go with that if I were you. It'd be my choice too (but I'm biased- I own one).

At all helpful? :cheeky:
 
LGK|1291852476|2791510 said:
Actually I think an AVC isn't a bad match for the Legacy cut... I mean, it's not nearly identical but to me the "feel" of it isn't *that* far off. I'd say it is much more a match for the Legacy look than the SCHA. (I'd use a SCHA to approximate the Novo look though.)

Just my opinion of course. I have seen both cuts in person, though.

Nothing against tiffany's Jewelry, they are beautiful. But the proprietary cut in the legacy left me a little underwhelmed. Beautiful in it's own right but lacking the sparkle and fire that the AVC or SCHA offers.

i guess I want the antiqueness and uniqueness of the AVC, but the distinctive sparkle of the SQHA. lol

they are sending me images of an AVC and a SQHA in a halo setting. maybe this will give us/me a better idea.
 
OK, definitely post the images when you get them--I would love to see!
 
slg47|1291915419|2792155 said:
OK, definitely post the images when you get them--I would love to see!

ok i have 4 pictures to share. but before I do, here are the considerations:

and thank you to Matt at Good Old God for all his assistance as I work through this purchase!

1. the settings is not MY setting, i wanted to see how these diamonds would look in a halo setting
2. the diamonds are not mounted but rather set on top of the setting
3. there is a "frome above" viewpoint and the second image is the profile view.
4. the cushion cut diamond IS one of the diamonds I am looking at, the SCHA is a consideration as well (there is a 1.26ct that I may like)
5. the AVC is a 1.31ct H VS2
6. the SCHA is a 1.11ct G VS2

so my questions are:

1. for an "inspired by tiffany's" legacy ring... which diamond suits the ring best? (main question.... what cut?)
2. will i notice the G/H color in these gems with a platinum ring?
3. are these questions ultimately moot as she will love either one? :tongue:

thank you pricescopers!!!

AVC - top view
AVC%20top%20view.jpg

AVC - profile view
AVC%20profile%20view_1.jpg

SCHA - top view
SCHA%20top%20view.jpg

SCHA - profile view
SCHA%20profile%20view_0.jpg
 
I really thought I would like the AVC better! But...with that kind of melee (full cut) the smaller facets of the SCHA look better. Does Matt have a single cut halo somewhere? Also, that particular halo, I really don't like because of the very prominent score between each of the melee diamonds -- too much metal for my taste. In terms of matching the legacy "look", however, the AVC comes closer.

Also, another consideration is that a static image does not reflect how the diamond + setting will look IRL. Diamonds are dynamic!

How is that for confusing the issue?!? :errrr:
 
antelope1|1291941018|2792674 said:
I really thought I would like the AVC better! But...with that kind of melee (full cut) the smaller facets of the SCHA look better. Does Matt have a single cut halo somewhere? Also, that particular halo, I really don't like because of the very prominent score between each of the melee diamonds -- too much metal for my taste. In terms of matching the legacy "look", however, the AVC comes closer.

Also, another consideration is that a static image does not reflect how the diamond + setting will look IRL. Diamonds are dynamic!

How is that for confusing the issue?!? :errrr:

so - just so i'm sure melee is the tiny diamonds? and single cut is the 8/8 and full cut is more cuts right? i think i understand the concept - but still learning. working on the setting now so that's why i'm asking.
(we're talking the tiny diamonds right?)

i'm still torn between the 2 diamonds though...
 
yeah I think what is throwing me off is the amount of metal in between the melee (smaller) diamonds in that particular halo setting.

I am pretty sure there are some pics of AVCs in halos that PSers have...maybe do a search?
 
I think the AVC gives more of a "tiffany legacy look". The arrows on the SCHA just dont work for me.
Dont get me wrong, I think the SCHA is lovely but if you want more the "legacy feel" it would be the AVC for me.

Edit - if you were just asking which one is prettier or which one did I like better...I'm not sure what I'd say. I'm
not liking that picture of the AVC and wish you could get another one.
 
With tyty on this.

Ask Matt to put the rings in the lightbox (he will know what we are talking about) and turn it to LED spotlight (take photo), and then turn on the fluorescent light (another photo). If he's willing to take them over to the window and take one more photo, that would be above and beyond.

I'd just want the face-up photo, not the profile.

ETA, you're right on the melee = small diamonds.
 
Both the AVC and SQH&A are lovely but have very distinctive looks. I definitely think your GF would be thrilled with either one but she will appreciate all of your hard work and research :appl: Here is a link to a JbEG halo setting that uses single cut melee. It features a 1.5 AVC just as a reference since I didn't think that pic from GOG gave that AVC justice AT ALL. http://jewelsbyericagrace.smugmug.c...nd/Halos/Halos/12794584_q7FyT#960994614_fmbpK

I did a quick search but didn't see many examples of SQHA in settings much less a halo setting.
You've probably seen these already but just in case:
Cushion halo thread: https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/post-your-cushion-halos-here.88177/
GOG AVC thread: https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/show-me-your-avc-avoec-diamonds.123446/

Hope this helps! :wavey:
 
Much to my surprise, the AVC is not working in that setting. The SQHA looks much better to me. I can't put my finger on it, but the AVC seems to overwhelm that setting...or something :confused:
 
I’m going to chime in here and offer a different perspective. I’m all for the AVC / Antique Cushion look – I own an antique cushion myself. BUT, if your GF is really in love with the Tiffany Legacy, than personally, I would try to get her a ring that looks more like the legacy than the ones you are currently looking at. The photos of the center stones and settings you posted look a lot more like the Harry Winston cushion halo ring than the Tiffany Legacy.

The Tiffany Legacy center stone as we know if a proprietary cut. If you look at the center stone on the tiffany website, you can clearly see windmills in the Legacy center stone. It looks and reads like step cut to me (or almost like a cross between a cushion and a step cut). It is a very different look than the AVC. If the look of the center stone of the legacy is what you love, I think you may also want to consider an asscher cut as the center stone too. It is a lot closer to the legacy than a true cushion I think…though a cushion will work.

As for the setting, as one poster commented, the legacy setting is a millgrained bezel setting with a halo (also millgrained). This setting by ERD is a great replica (with a modified profile).

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/e-ring-waiting-for-its-home.109810/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/e-ring-waiting-for-its-home.109810/[/URL]
 
bigdiamondtinygal|1292006082|2793396 said:
I’m going to chime in here and offer a different perspective. I’m all for the AVC / Antique Cushion look – I own an antique cushion myself. BUT, if your GF is really in love with the Tiffany Legacy, than personally, I would try to get her a ring that looks more like the legacy than the ones you are currently looking at. The photos of the center stones and settings you posted look a lot more like the Harry Winston cushion halo ring than the Tiffany Legacy.

The Tiffany Legacy center stone as we know if a proprietary cut. If you look at the center stone on the tiffany website, you can clearly see windmills in the Legacy center stone. It looks and reads like step cut to me (or almost like a cross between a cushion and a step cut). It is a very different look than the AVC. If the look of the center stone of the legacy is what you love, I think you may also want to consider an asscher cut as the center stone too. It is a lot closer to the legacy than a true cushion I think…though a cushion will work.

As for the setting, as one poster commented, the legacy setting is a millgrained bezel setting with a halo (also millgrained). This setting by ERD is a great replica (with a modified profile).

[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/e-ring-waiting-for-its-home.109810/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/e-ring-waiting-for-its-home.109810/[/URL]

I should clarify, My GF does love the legacy, what she didn't like about it is the diamond. I shared the same sentiment. It lacked the luster and sparkle that she saw in other rings like the novo and other cuts like a RBHA and likewise. To me it looked like a square cushion from above with an emerald or assher cut when looking through the table. Just didn't do it for us. So essentially she wanted the halo, bezel set, millgrain edge bead diamond setting, but with a (as she put it) "more sparkly" diamond which is why i am looking at the AVC and SCHA.
 
So I started thinking and the previous posters are right...some of those examples may not be very helpful because they are not the "Legacy" style of setting. So I remembered seeing a replica Legacy style from BGD with a SQHA. Maybe these pics will be more helpful to you. I attached several of the pics here for convenience. Link is below to more pics and the CADs etc.
linky here: http://blog.brianthecutter.com/2010...-uk-customer’s-cushion-cut-diamond…/cimg9519/

ETA: Oops, I forgot to edit to remove the logos...not sure if these pics will be removed?

BG_legacystyle_halo.jpg

BG_legacystyle_halo2.jpg

BrianGavin_Halo3_100510.jpg

BrianGavin_Halo4_100510.jpg
 
E B|1291998460|2793264 said:
This PSer has a .61 ct square H&A in a halo:

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/sample-eternity-wedding-band-from-id-jewelry.150116/

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/thank-you-ps-my-engagement-ring.144183/

Keep in mind hers is prong-set, so bezeling it will further emphasize the shape, if that's what you intend to do.

this is an absolutely BEAUTIFUL ring. My only concern is that the SQHA can resemble a round brilliant or RBHA becuase if it's distinctive cut. If you look at the 2nd image on the second link, it really resembles a round brilliant (but it may be further accentuated by the prong setting. essentially - hiding the corners. Perhaps the bezel setting would further distinguish it as a square cushion)

It's beautiful in it's own right, but but that's my only concern with my ring.

kinda seems like I'm making my decision huh?

after the video earlier with the tacori halo setting and the AVC. i'm leaning towards the AVC.
http://www.vimeo.com/6401615
 
piratefan|1291996044|2793229 said:
Both the AVC and SQH&A are lovely but have very distinctive looks. I definitely think your GF would be thrilled with either one but she will appreciate all of your hard work and research :appl: Here is a link to a JbEG halo setting that uses single cut melee. It features a 1.5 AVC just as a reference since I didn't think that pic from GOG gave that AVC justice AT ALL. http://jewelsbyericagrace.smugmug.c...nd/Halos/Halos/12794584_q7FyT#960994614_fmbpK

I did a quick search but didn't see many examples of SQHA in settings much less a halo setting.
You've probably seen these already but just in case:
Cushion halo thread: https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/post-your-cushion-halos-here.88177/
GOG AVC thread: https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/show-me-your-avc-avoec-diamonds.123446/

Hope this helps! :wavey:
it totally helps!!

holy **** NOW i see the difference between single cut melee and full cut melee....

me want.

ring is absolutly beautiful.... all this research and choosing is kinda addictive... it's like a really really expensive puzzle, but every piece fits and they are all beautiful, but you're looking for "the one"...

don't tell my GF i'm enjoying this. I'm sure she'd love for me to get used to it... :lol:
 
piratefan|1292007842|2793431 said:
So I started thinking and the previous posters are right...some of those examples may not be very helpful because they are not the "Legacy" style of setting. So I remembered seeing a replica Legacy style from BGD with a SQHA. Maybe these pics will be more helpful to you. I attached several of the pics here for convenience.

GREAT find, pirate! :appl:

Just in case they're removed due to the logo issue:

BrianGavin_Halo4_1005102.jpg
 
ooh that ring is stunning! I think I actually prefer the AVC (and I own a SCHA!) but honestly I don't think you can go wrong. I like that setting MUCH better than the other one you posted. Really, I think either choice would be beautiful :)

BUT, if your GF liked the novo diamond, then I would go with the SCHA. I have one and it is really gorgeous IMO :bigsmile:
 
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