Autumn in New England
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That's it... you found it... that's the one for which I would sign a contract with the devil.


Another option. I actually already found this myself online but she can negotiate a better price. Its on the upper end of the budget. With argyle cert. 0.15ct vs1 med blue fluoro.. GIA intense orangey pink. Argyle PC2 (pink champagne ie the brownish or orangey range, but not as brown as pink rose (PR) if I understood right).
Lovely stone, saturated and deeper tone than pastels but not too much, might be a bit brownish? Can't be sure.
I don't think I care enough about Argyle origin and paperwork to pay the premium. But it is one of the best I have seen so far, so currently on the table.
Also, this might sound spoiled, I would love a matching fluoro color like the orange fluoro of the radiant posted on the last page. Argyles seem to always be inert or blue, from what I've seen.
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Omg THANK YOU!!! This is exactly what I’m looking for, just need a hair smaller I think!

Okay here is a video of the 0.18ct with med orange fluoro.
Cut looks quite okay to me in movement.
If it was a bit more intense, maybe lower clarity (so I could either save $ or have it in a slightly larger size), and if the fluoro was strong orange instead of medium - I'm not sure I would even wait for other options.
But I will be patient.
Okay here is a video of the 0.18ct with med orange fluoro.
Cut looks quite okay to me in movement.
If it was a bit more intense, maybe lower clarity (so I could either save $ or have it in a slightly larger size), and if the fluoro was strong orange instead of medium - I'm not sure I would even wait for other options.
But I will be patient.
Okay here is a video of the 0.18ct with med orange fluoro.
Cut looks quite okay to me in movement.
If it was a bit more intense, maybe lower clarity (so I could either save $ or have it in a slightly larger size), and if the fluoro was strong orange instead of medium - I'm not sure I would even wait for other options.
But I will be patient.
That's gorgeous............. and even medium fluor is rare.
I strongly prefer it to the Argyle despite lighter color purely for the approx 50-50 color split between pink and orange (and half the price). I very well may end up with this one but jeweler said some dealers will take up to 12 weeks to reply to her request. I kind of doubt this niche colored diamond will sell by then, but if it does, oh well. I paid her a deposit to help search and I'm paying a finders fee based on the price of the stone so... I'm taking full advantage
IIRC you said you were not the patient kind? Lol
In hindsight, I wish I had asked for each stone to be set in different shades of metal. The thing that threw me is I'd have had to do blue rhodium plating for the blue diamonds, and that felt like cheating. The heart diamond is 2+ct, F, VS, for reference.
Yes I think it’s a bit light but if it was set in pink gold it would amount up. Even just a pink gold inner bezel.
Yes, I am terribly impulsive, which does not bode well when gem shopping!! It should not be rushed, especially in the higher $ brackets.
I love these contrasting viewpoints about the enhancing of color with metal colors. I've had it in the back of my mind for a long time. Diamonds by Lauren are big on this and do it expertly. I am torn on whether I like the results enough to justify it, or see it as 'cheating' (not to judge anyone who chooses one or the other, all subjective).
I love these contrasting viewpoints about the enhancing of color with metal colors. I've had it in the back of my mind for a long time. Diamonds by Lauren are big on this and do it expertly. I am torn on whether I like the results enough to justify it, or see it as 'cheating' (not to judge anyone who chooses one or the other, all subjective).
My unasked for opinionI will think about this more. I think, at the moment, I want to actually 'neutralize' the color to the real color of the stone as much as possible. But that might change. It also depends on the chosen stone itself. I might totally change my mind if I see it next to rose gold and the boost it gets, regardless of the 'theoretical' preference.


I definitely don't view something like rose gold as cheating, because yellow gold is traditionally alloyed with copper (along with silver, nickel, and zinc), just in higher concentrations with rose gold. Same with green gold, etc. I guess blue rhodium would bother me to enhance an FCD because it's not colored by naturally occurring metals, but rather chemical additives, and is only a plating. Does that make sense? That being said, I've often wished they made a solid black rhodium, because I love the gothic look of it, but I dislike the impermanency of plating. So perhaps I don't know what the heck I'm talking about after all!


Were you around to view/participate in his old forum? IIRC there were some pretty informative discussions (& pictures!!) of what could be achieved, & how it was not predictable. Sad it’s no longer accessible. Leakage of the stone to pick up what’s behind it is only one factor.
I only have one experience with a vlpb & rose gold and then platinum. Either way that stone remains the one most likely to get out of nowhere commented on by random people (is it pink?!?). No where near the ballpark level of fcd you are looking for!
My unasked for opinion
How the stone color shifts from one lighting source to the other compared to the prongs/undergallery/cup if visible - is a big factor of (personal taste, of course), of what lasting success is. Orange is close to brown, I think that is where the big if in color shifting is in regards to rose gold and it being attractive or not or giving the vibe of trying too hard.
I would love the chance to play around with stones and more extreme colored rhodium like these . settings aren’t permanent.
Thank you for letting us tag along with your exciting journey.I’m sure what you come up with will be wonderful!
I have never used rhodium in the pieces I make yet. I’ve stuck with yg and platinum so far mostly bc my tastes run to the historical. Like Autiumn I am attracted to black rhodium and could use it some day if I ever have enough pieces to warrant a “fun” gothic one — presently I am filling out my daily drivers and prefer classic metals for those. Anyway, metal color can have a huge impact on apparent color of a gem as can lighting (obvs) and I feel like choosing the right metal to set the stone and bring out its best/favoured appearance is not cheating but rather an essential part of good design. But would I use more extreme color manipulation with a treasured piece that represented a huge investment for me, like this does for you? No. But like Autumn, I don’t think using rose gold is cheating — it’s a classic metal color used by all the fine jewelry houses and historical pieces to boot.
With bezels sometimes there is a very thin inner lip bezel surrounded by a different color metal for the rest of the ring. That is where metal choice could enhance. Though sometimes that method is used to chest to make a stone look larger and you def don’t want that effect.

I have thought about the lip of the bezel for my purple garnet ring - but not in the context of metal choice. My idea was to have a high polish lip or inner lip and the rest of the ring matte.
Not related to size, more so emphasis on the stone if that makes sense? Here is rough a AI visualization. It is not perfect, and not the inner lip, but roughly the direction.
For the pink diamond - not sure. I'm focusing on the stone first and foremost and will see where the setting goes. But it is fun to think about.
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Yes, it makes sense. I too love black metals and the gothic look. Here is a ring from Bayco I truly love the design of. I am/was actually considering this kind of prong placement and/or shape for my garnet, in some of my concepts (regardless of metal).
(My concern with giving it a bezel is darkening an already medium dark stone. The shape of the prong = will catch on fabrics. The placement = possible still)
I actually DO like it when exotic setting colors eg from titanium or ceramic are so obviously intended to enhance/match the color that it appears like a intentional choice (to make it obvious) rather than 'hide' it under a basked or bezel for example. Below is a ring from Lugano (vivid blue diamond) that loudly captures the 'intention' thing perfectly. Maybe this POV is unusual.
Most of the million dollar stones in auctions are set in methods that subtly enhance color eg YG prongs on a ruby. I am really not judging anyone who likes this method. Just figuring out where I stand.
I am not sure which forum you are talking about but I have been looking DBL for a good while and I remember many of their listings showing before and after for saturation of color - especially for yellows.
Very good point about the color shift. It depends on what stone I end up with, and how it looks alongside the various metals.
And thank you right back at your for giving your thoughts! For pink specifically those pics are informative. I'd love to see you vlpb!
Thank you. I think much of my reply to you is similar to what I replied to Autumn. If it is a thin bezel or cup that is a different color from the rest, I'm a but eh about it. If looks obvious - like a major part of the overall design - and not a detail to improve color, I am all for it, even to the extreme (eg Lugano above).
I may totally change my mind on this when seeing the eventual chosen stone, and effects, in person of course.
My jeweler does not work with exotic metals/materials and I don't intend to use one, but fun to think about. I suppose the equivalent in my case would be to have all or a significant portion of it be rose gold (or whatever compliments the stone the best) so it is a clear design choice, and not just a cup or thin bezel. But maybe I will end up liking this idea in the end.
She may be able to do a colored rhodium plating but I don't think I'd go this path.
Ooh this sounds like a good combo! And I’m so impressed by your AI pics, could I ask what prompt you give it to generate such accurate pictures? I’ve tried before but it gave me really generic outputs…
Also, my emerald pebble will be set in a brushed / matte finish. I haven’t actually specified what the lip will be like, largely because I didn’t even think about this detail (!)
I’ll get it back in the next few days so you can see the effect!
Yes, I see your point! I also like the intentional look of that blue diamond piece. What is that particular plating? It doesn't look like blue rhodium. I'm curious, because it's nice and subtle, unlike traditional blue rhodium, which is somewhat garish (IMO).