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A new hunt... peachy pinkish/orangey diamond.

It is quite tough to find natural and untreated stones in this color range as so many are treated/synthetic, and the natural ones don't reach these color saturations.

However I came across this one, and... drool. 3ct vivid orangey pink from a high end dealer (therefore, natural/untreated)


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That's it... you found it... that's the one for which I would sign a contract with the devil.
 
Another option. I actually already found this myself online but she can negotiate a better price. Its on the upper end of the budget. With argyle cert. 0.15ct vs1 med blue fluoro.. GIA intense orangey pink. Argyle PC2 (pink champagne ie the brownish or orangey range, but not as brown as pink rose (PR) if I understood right).

Lovely stone, saturated and deeper tone than pastels but not too much, might be a bit brownish? Can't be sure.
I don't think I care enough about Argyle origin and paperwork to pay the premium. But it is one of the best I have seen so far, so currently on the table.

Also, this might sound spoiled, I would love a matching fluoro color like the orange fluoro of the radiant posted on the last page. Argyles seem to always be inert or blue, from what I've seen.

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video screenshot:
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Another option. I actually already found this myself online but she can negotiate a better price. Its on the upper end of the budget. With argyle cert. 0.15ct vs1 med blue fluoro.. GIA intense orangey pink. Argyle PC2 (pink champagne ie the brownish or orangey range, but not as brown as pink rose (PR) if I understood right).

Lovely stone, saturated and deeper tone than pastels but not too much, might be a bit brownish? Can't be sure.
I don't think I care enough about Argyle origin and paperwork to pay the premium. But it is one of the best I have seen so far, so currently on the table.

Also, this might sound spoiled, I would love a matching fluoro color like the orange fluoro of the radiant posted on the last page. Argyles seem to always be inert or blue, from what I've seen.

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video screenshot:
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The color is positively gorgeous, no doubt. Quite a serious bowtie going on there though... something to consider.
 
Okay here is a video of the 0.18ct with med orange fluoro.
Cut looks quite okay to me in movement.
If it was a bit more intense, maybe lower clarity (so I could either save $ or have it in a slightly larger size), and if the fluoro was strong orange instead of medium - I'm not sure I would even wait for other options.
But I will be patient.

 
Okay here is a video of the 0.18ct with med orange fluoro.
Cut looks quite okay to me in movement.
If it was a bit more intense, maybe lower clarity (so I could either save $ or have it in a slightly larger size), and if the fluoro was strong orange instead of medium - I'm not sure I would even wait for other options.
But I will be patient.


I would say this is a great start! Sometimes it’s a journey to figure out what it is that you want … and sticking to your plan when temptation arises - because it always does! :lol:

I’ll keep my eye out for you! More saturation, better cut.
 
Okay here is a video of the 0.18ct with med orange fluoro.
Cut looks quite okay to me in movement.
If it was a bit more intense, maybe lower clarity (so I could either save $ or have it in a slightly larger size), and if the fluoro was strong orange instead of medium - I'm not sure I would even wait for other options.
But I will be patient.


Yes I think it’s a bit light but if it was set in pink gold it would amount up. Even just a pink gold inner bezel.
 
Okay here is a video of the 0.18ct with med orange fluoro.
Cut looks quite okay to me in movement.
If it was a bit more intense, maybe lower clarity (so I could either save $ or have it in a slightly larger size), and if the fluoro was strong orange instead of medium - I'm not sure I would even wait for other options.
But I will be patient.


That's gorgeous............. and even medium fluor is rare.
 
That's gorgeous............. and even medium fluor is rare.

I strongly prefer it to the Argyle despite lighter color purely for the approx 50-50 color split between pink and orange (and half the price). I very well may end up with this one but jeweler said some dealers will take up to 12 weeks to reply to her request. I kind of doubt this niche colored diamond will sell by then, but if it does, oh well. I paid her a deposit to help search and I'm paying a finders fee based on the price of the stone so... I'm taking full advantage :lol:

IIRC you said you were not the patient kind? Lol
 
I strongly prefer it to the Argyle despite lighter color purely for the approx 50-50 color split between pink and orange (and half the price). I very well may end up with this one but jeweler said some dealers will take up to 12 weeks to reply to her request. I kind of doubt this niche colored diamond will sell by then, but if it does, oh well. I paid her a deposit to help search and I'm paying a finders fee based on the price of the stone so... I'm taking full advantage :lol:

IIRC you said you were not the patient kind? Lol

Wishing you luck, if not with this stone, then with another you love as much or more! Yes, I am terribly impulsive, which does not bode well when gem shopping!! It should not be rushed, especially in the higher $ brackets.
 
In hindsight, I wish I had asked for each stone to be set in different shades of metal. The thing that threw me is I'd have had to do blue rhodium plating for the blue diamonds, and that felt like cheating. The heart diamond is 2+ct, F, VS, for reference.
Yes I think it’s a bit light but if it was set in pink gold it would amount up. Even just a pink gold inner bezel.

I love these contrasting viewpoints about the enhancing of color with metal colors. I've had it in the back of my mind for a long time. Diamonds by Lauren are big on this and do it expertly. I am torn on whether I like the results enough to justify it, or see it as 'cheating' (not to judge anyone who chooses one or the other, all subjective).

My current design (not very good, not finalized and might be totally different, not very fleshed out, too rudimentary to post) that I have mind makes a lot of sense with mixed metal and could work as single metal.

I will think about this more. I think, at the moment, I want to actually 'neutralize' the color to the real color of the stone as much as possible. But that might change. It also depends on the chosen stone itself. I might totally change my mind if I see it next to rose gold and the boost it gets, regardless of the 'theoretical' preference.

Yes, I am terribly impulsive, which does not bode well when gem shopping!! It should not be rushed, especially in the higher $ brackets.

I am quite tempted to just buy this one but ahhh what if I miss out on something better? So I totally understand the impulsiveness and I am prone to it too, but suppress it. Once or twice a stone sold and I regret not snatching it. A few of my stones, I think, if I waited for something better and they sold I would have been upset for not buying it.

As for value - for FCDs, especially pink, this is like... peasant bracket, not high at all (10k max). But to me it is a high value purchase. The most expensive stone I may buy yet, in fact. It is all relative. Indeed, I don't feel rushed. I feel like worst case - I don't buy one of these stones (yet), but the jeweller got the deposit, and I intend to use her to set my garnet. So that is ethical enough/fair? I am not sure. My local jeweller has been so lovely, understanding and knowledgable I feel a bit bad for being 'difficult' for hoping for a unicorn stone - though she hasn't made me feel that way at all. It is probably in my head.

I'm sure when we chat in person soon it will all be fine.
 
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I love these contrasting viewpoints about the enhancing of color with metal colors. I've had it in the back of my mind for a long time. Diamonds by Lauren are big on this and do it expertly. I am torn on whether I like the results enough to justify it, or see it as 'cheating' (not to judge anyone who chooses one or the other, all subjective).

I definitely don't view something like rose gold as cheating, because yellow gold is traditionally alloyed with copper (along with silver, nickel, and zinc), just in higher concentrations with rose gold. Same with green gold, etc. I guess blue rhodium would bother me to enhance an FCD because it's not colored by naturally occurring metals, but rather chemical additives, and is only a plating. Does that make sense? That being said, I've often wished they made a solid black rhodium, because I love the gothic look of it, but I dislike the impermanency of plating. So perhaps I don't know what the heck I'm talking about after all!
 
I love these contrasting viewpoints about the enhancing of color with metal colors. I've had it in the back of my mind for a long time. Diamonds by Lauren are big on this and do it expertly. I am torn on whether I like the results enough to justify it, or see it as 'cheating' (not to judge anyone who chooses one or the other, all subjective).

Were you around to view/participate in his old forum? IIRC there were some pretty informative discussions (& pictures!!) of what could be achieved, & how it was not predictable. Sad it’s no longer accessible. Leakage of the stone to pick up what’s behind it is only one factor.

I only have one experience with a vlpb & rose gold and then platinum. Either way that stone remains the one most likely to get out of nowhere commented on by random people (is it pink?!?). No where near the ballpark level of fcd you are looking for!

I will think about this more. I think, at the moment, I want to actually 'neutralize' the color to the real color of the stone as much as possible. But that might change. It also depends on the chosen stone itself. I might totally change my mind if I see it next to rose gold and the boost it gets, regardless of the 'theoretical' preference.
My unasked for opinion
How the stone color shifts from one lighting source to the other compared to the prongs/undergallery/cup if visible - is a big factor of (personal taste, of course), of what lasting success is. Orange is close to brown, I think that is where the big if in color shifting is in regards to rose gold and it being attractive or not or giving the vibe of trying too hard.

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I would love the chance to play around with stones and more extreme colored rhodium like these . settings aren’t permanent. :)


Thank you for letting us tag along with your exciting journey. :love: I’m sure what you come up with will be wonderful!
 
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I have never used rhodium in the pieces I make yet. I’ve stuck with yg and platinum so far mostly bc my tastes run to the historical. Like Autiumn I am attracted to black rhodium and could use it some day if I ever have enough pieces to warrant a “fun” gothic one — presently I am filling out my daily drivers and prefer classic metals for those. Anyway, metal color can have a huge impact on apparent color of a gem as can lighting (obvs) and I feel like choosing the right metal to set the stone and bring out its best/favoured appearance is not cheating but rather an essential part of good design. But would I use more extreme color manipulation with a treasured piece that represented a huge investment for me, like this does for you? No. But like Autumn, I don’t think using rose gold is cheating — it’s a classic metal color used by all the fine jewelry houses and historical pieces to boot.
 
I definitely don't view something like rose gold as cheating, because yellow gold is traditionally alloyed with copper (along with silver, nickel, and zinc), just in higher concentrations with rose gold. Same with green gold, etc. I guess blue rhodium would bother me to enhance an FCD because it's not colored by naturally occurring metals, but rather chemical additives, and is only a plating. Does that make sense? That being said, I've often wished they made a solid black rhodium, because I love the gothic look of it, but I dislike the impermanency of plating. So perhaps I don't know what the heck I'm talking about after all!

Yes, it makes sense. I too love black metals and the gothic look. Here is a ring from Bayco I truly love the design of. I am/was actually considering this kind of prong placement and/or shape for my garnet, in some of my concepts (regardless of metal).
(My concern with giving it a bezel is darkening an already medium dark stone. The shape of the prong = will catch on fabrics. The placement = possible still)

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I actually DO like it when exotic setting colors eg from titanium or ceramic are so obviously intended to enhance/match the color that it appears like a intentional choice (to make it obvious) rather than 'hide' it under a basked or bezel for example. Below is a ring from Lugano (vivid blue diamond) that loudly captures the 'intention' thing perfectly. Maybe this POV is unusual.

Most of the million dollar stones in auctions are set in methods that subtly enhance color eg YG prongs on a ruby. I am really not judging anyone who likes this method. Just figuring out where I stand.


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Were you around to view/participate in his old forum? IIRC there were some pretty informative discussions (& pictures!!) of what could be achieved, & how it was not predictable. Sad it’s no longer accessible. Leakage of the stone to pick up what’s behind it is only one factor.

I only have one experience with a vlpb & rose gold and then platinum. Either way that stone remains the one most likely to get out of nowhere commented on by random people (is it pink?!?). No where near the ballpark level of fcd you are looking for!


My unasked for opinion
How the stone color shifts from one lighting source to the other compared to the prongs/undergallery/cup if visible - is a big factor of (personal taste, of course), of what lasting success is. Orange is close to brown, I think that is where the big if in color shifting is in regards to rose gold and it being attractive or not or giving the vibe of trying too hard.

IMG_7428.jpegIMG_7429.jpeg
I would love the chance to play around with stones and more extreme colored rhodium like these . settings aren’t permanent. :)


Thank you for letting us tag along with your exciting journey. :love: I’m sure what you come up with will be wonderful!

I am not sure which forum you are talking about but I have been looking DBL for a good while and I remember many of their listings showing before and after for saturation of color - especially for yellows.

Very good point about the color shift. It depends on what stone I end up with, and how it looks alongside the various metals.

And thank you right back at your for giving your thoughts! For pink specifically those pics are informative. I'd love to see you vlpb!

I have never used rhodium in the pieces I make yet. I’ve stuck with yg and platinum so far mostly bc my tastes run to the historical. Like Autiumn I am attracted to black rhodium and could use it some day if I ever have enough pieces to warrant a “fun” gothic one — presently I am filling out my daily drivers and prefer classic metals for those. Anyway, metal color can have a huge impact on apparent color of a gem as can lighting (obvs) and I feel like choosing the right metal to set the stone and bring out its best/favoured appearance is not cheating but rather an essential part of good design. But would I use more extreme color manipulation with a treasured piece that represented a huge investment for me, like this does for you? No. But like Autumn, I don’t think using rose gold is cheating — it’s a classic metal color used by all the fine jewelry houses and historical pieces to boot.

Thank you. I think much of my reply to you is similar to what I replied to Autumn. If it is a thin bezel or cup that is a different color from the rest, I'm a but eh about it. If looks obvious - like a major part of the overall design - and not a detail to improve color, I am all for it, even to the extreme (eg Lugano above).

I may totally change my mind on this when seeing the eventual chosen stone, and effects, in person of course.

My jeweler does not work with exotic metals/materials and I don't intend to use one, but fun to think about. I suppose the equivalent in my case would be to have all or a significant portion of it be rose gold (or whatever compliments the stone the best) so it is a clear design choice, and not just a cup or thin bezel. But maybe I will end up liking this idea in the end.

She may be able to do a colored rhodium plating but I don't think I'd go this path.
 
With bezels sometimes there is a very thin inner lip bezel surrounded by a different color metal for the rest of the ring. That is where metal choice could enhance. Though sometimes that method is used to chest to make a stone look larger and you def don’t want that effect.
 
With bezels sometimes there is a very thin inner lip bezel surrounded by a different color metal for the rest of the ring. That is where metal choice could enhance. Though sometimes that method is used to chest to make a stone look larger and you def don’t want that effect.

I have thought about the lip of the bezel for my purple garnet ring - but not in the context of metal choice. My idea was to have a high polish lip or inner lip and the rest of the ring matte.
Not related to size, more so emphasis on the stone if that makes sense? Here is rough a AI visualization. It is not perfect, and not the inner lip, but roughly the direction.
For the pink diamond - not sure. I'm focusing on the stone first and foremost and will see where the setting goes. But it is fun to think about.

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I have thought about the lip of the bezel for my purple garnet ring - but not in the context of metal choice. My idea was to have a high polish lip or inner lip and the rest of the ring matte.
Not related to size, more so emphasis on the stone if that makes sense? Here is rough a AI visualization. It is not perfect, and not the inner lip, but roughly the direction.
For the pink diamond - not sure. I'm focusing on the stone first and foremost and will see where the setting goes. But it is fun to think about.

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Ooh this sounds like a good combo! And I’m so impressed by your AI pics, could I ask what prompt you give it to generate such accurate pictures? I’ve tried before but it gave me really generic outputs…

Also, my emerald pebble will be set in a brushed / matte finish. I haven’t actually specified what the lip will be like, largely because I didn’t even think about this detail (!)

I’ll get it back in the next few days so you can see the effect!
 
Yes, it makes sense. I too love black metals and the gothic look. Here is a ring from Bayco I truly love the design of. I am/was actually considering this kind of prong placement and/or shape for my garnet, in some of my concepts (regardless of metal).
(My concern with giving it a bezel is darkening an already medium dark stone. The shape of the prong = will catch on fabrics. The placement = possible still)

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I actually DO like it when exotic setting colors eg from titanium or ceramic are so obviously intended to enhance/match the color that it appears like a intentional choice (to make it obvious) rather than 'hide' it under a basked or bezel for example. Below is a ring from Lugano (vivid blue diamond) that loudly captures the 'intention' thing perfectly. Maybe this POV is unusual.

Most of the million dollar stones in auctions are set in methods that subtly enhance color eg YG prongs on a ruby. I am really not judging anyone who likes this method. Just figuring out where I stand.


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I am not sure which forum you are talking about but I have been looking DBL for a good while and I remember many of their listings showing before and after for saturation of color - especially for yellows.

Very good point about the color shift. It depends on what stone I end up with, and how it looks alongside the various metals.

And thank you right back at your for giving your thoughts! For pink specifically those pics are informative. I'd love to see you vlpb!



Thank you. I think much of my reply to you is similar to what I replied to Autumn. If it is a thin bezel or cup that is a different color from the rest, I'm a but eh about it. If looks obvious - like a major part of the overall design - and not a detail to improve color, I am all for it, even to the extreme (eg Lugano above).

I may totally change my mind on this when seeing the eventual chosen stone, and effects, in person of course.

My jeweler does not work with exotic metals/materials and I don't intend to use one, but fun to think about. I suppose the equivalent in my case would be to have all or a significant portion of it be rose gold (or whatever compliments the stone the best) so it is a clear design choice, and not just a cup or thin bezel. But maybe I will end up liking this idea in the end.

She may be able to do a colored rhodium plating but I don't think I'd go this path.

Yes, I see your point! I also like the intentional look of that blue diamond piece. What is that particular plating? It doesn't look like blue rhodium. I'm curious, because it's nice and subtle, unlike traditional blue rhodium, which is somewhat garish (IMO).
 
Ooh this sounds like a good combo! And I’m so impressed by your AI pics, could I ask what prompt you give it to generate such accurate pictures? I’ve tried before but it gave me really generic outputs…

Also, my emerald pebble will be set in a brushed / matte finish. I haven’t actually specified what the lip will be like, largely because I didn’t even think about this detail (!)

I’ll get it back in the next few days so you can see the effect!

I'm looking forward to seeing your emerald set! I love matte finishes.

On the AI prompts - I don't really know if this is a good method but it has worked for me. It is not the most efficient I am sure.

I struggled a lot with GPT images (free ver) but for a while that was the only AI tool I used. Also limited to 5 images per day. Then I got free access to Gemini pro, which has been much better for images (imo), no limit to number and much faster at generating.

Usually my prompts are simple descriptions, but I provide reference photos and build bit by bit, make small changes at a time.
For the open toi et moi for example of went something like...
I found a open toi et moi ring pic online that and asked it to visualize it in professional studio lighting.
Then I said, okay change the stones to these keeping in mind the shapes and sizes (I'd upload a pic of my stones and give size stats)...
Then I'll ask to change metal color to X...
Then ask it to make it bezeled instead of prong....

Now I have a good skeleton (hopefully) and can make the detailed changes, eg,
Keep this identical but make it matte...
Keep this identical but add a mirror finish to the bezel lip....
Add a halo...
Etc etc

When it messes up along the way, I give it 2-3 chances to try again with a more clarified prompt. If its no use, I start over in a new chat with the latest 'good' image I wanted to build on.

Sometimes I ask it to describe what it thinks I want from what I've said so far. Then it does. I ask to make corrections if needed ('no, i meant XYZ, write it again'). Then tell it, write a optimized prompt to get this image accurately from you assuming I'll upload image X (the last good one). And copy paste that prompt in a new chat.

Since it is a process I usually do it in small amounts over a few days/weeks. Otherwise it is time consuming, I don't have time to wait for the generator over and over. Once I get the skeleton it is easy to add details as ideas come to me. It will always alter things improperly - like stone size/proportions and color. I just let that slide.

Yes, I see your point! I also like the intentional look of that blue diamond piece. What is that particular plating? It doesn't look like blue rhodium. I'm curious, because it's nice and subtle, unlike traditional blue rhodium, which is somewhat garish (IMO).

Probably titanium. I thought titanium was usually not a plating but not sure. From their IG:
 
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