How can one find a “super ideal” GIA diamond?

[Evian]

intrested in finding a super ideal diamond like this one from WF.
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4065510.htm

Trying to find a GIA stone with great proportions and excellent ASET, etc.

I’m looking for 1.0-1.10 carat.
Triple excellent.
VS2 or better. Would consider SI1 if eye clean.
G color or better.

Seems difficult to find hearts and arrows pictures as well as ideal scope and ASET images for GIA stones online.

I have been using rarecarat, but it’s still difficult to find quality cut stones.

This is what I have found so far, but hoping for a little better.
https://www.yadavjewelry.com/diamond/round-diamond-1.09-carat-g-vvs2-yd4540225
Thanks for any advice, help or assistance you can provide.

Thanks.

 

[kmoro]

Hi Evian - not sure how long you’ve been looking, but I’ve been browsing the inventories since September or so ... and it seems to me that inventories are still down from then. Most vendors add new stones daily ... many are looking out for the super ideal GIA unicorn so you’ll have to be sharp ... I think it’s a matter of patience and perseverance.
All you can do is search using ideal parameters and hope that you find that special rock ... OR you can actually ask a vendor to look for one for you.
If you find a contender, don’t post the link and/or reserve the diamond or someone else will snap it up. Keep an eye out for other people’s finds too.
Edit: the stone you found has lovely proportions! Hopefully a more knowledgeable person will comment on the ASET - I can’t tell if there’s some light leakage or if it’s the backlighting ... @Evian get that one reserved!
Good luck!

 

[sledge]

Below are some GIA stones that could be considered. It's hard to know if they are cut as well as the WF ACA or not. They have similar proportions but likely will not be H&A stones like the ACA. If interested in any of these, you'd have to request an ASET, idealscope and H&A image so you could equally compare. Also, in many cases you will need a picture and/or video as well.

As you will find out, one of the strengths of buying any super ideal is all the data that is available at your fingertips to make a purchase decision easier. Also, if something catches your eye, consider if their trade-in policy is acceptable to you.


WF ACA 1.05ct, E VS2 @ $9,379 wire
56.7 table, 62 depth, 34.7 crown (15.1 height), 40.6 pavilion (42.9 depth), 76 LGF & 49 stars


1.03ct D VS1 @ $7,920
https://enchanteddiamonds.com/diamonds/view/R103-5Z2476Z80?utm_source=rarecarat&utm_medium=cpc

https://www.adiamor.com/Diamonds/1....8.215&p=0&utm_source=rarecarat&utm_medium=cpc

https://www.yadavjewelry.com/diamond/round-diamond-1.03-carat-d-vs1-yd4343357

57 table, 61.6 depth, 35 crown (15.5 height), 40.6 pavilion (43 depth), 75 LGF & 45 stars


1.01ct E VS1 @ $8,390
https://enchanteddiamonds.com/diamonds/view/R103-5Z2476Z80?utm_source=rarecarat&utm_medium=cpc

https://www.fourmine.com/shop/diamond/73499108?utm_source=rarecarat&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=2018

56 table, 61.9 depth, 35 crown (15.5 height), 40.6 pavilion (42.5 height), 75 LGF & 50 stars


1.00ct D VS1 @ $8,090
https://enchanteddiamonds.com/diamonds/view/R100-709214938?utm_source=rarecarat&utm_medium=cpc

https://www.fourmine.com/shop/diamond/92993566?utm_source=rarecarat&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=2018

55 table, 61.9 depth, 35 crown (16 height), 40.6 pavilion (42.5 height), 75 LGF & 50 stars


1.00ct E VS2 @ $5,980
https://enchanteddiamonds.com/diamonds/view/R100-8476468Z6?utm_source=rarecarat&utm_medium=cpc

https://www.yadavjewelry.com/diamond/round-diamond-1.0-carat-e-vs2-yd4344497

https://www.adiamor.com/Diamonds/1....g=153&p=1&utm_source=rarecarat&utm_medium=cpc

55 table, 61.3 depth, 35 crown (16 height), 40.6 pavilion (42.5 height), 75 LGF & 50 stars

IMO, kind of a scarred looking inclusion plot for a VS2.

 

[Evian]

Thoughts on this stone?
https://www.yadavjewelry.com/diamond/round-diamond-1.09-carat-g-vvs2-yd4540225

 

[Snowdrop13]

Personally I’d just make it easy for myself, pay a little more and get this,

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4065508.htm

1.1 ct GVS2 $8464 wire

 

[kmoro]

I think it’s nice. Not true H&A but very symmetrical.

I do agree with the others that are trying to steer you to true super ideals though. I think it’s worth the extra money. However, I’m also trying to support your decision to look for that magical GIA.

 

[sledge]

I think it’s nice. Not true H&A but very symmetrical.

I do agree with the others that are trying to steer you to true super ideals though. I think it’s worth the extra money. However, I’m also trying to support your decision to look for that magical GIA.

You think the WF stone isn't true H&A? Please explain more.

 

[Evian]

You think the WF stone isn't true H&A? Please explain more.

Sledge. Kmoro was responding to the ASET, ideal and hearts and arrows picture I posted of the GIA stone.

 

[kmoro]

You think the WF stone isn't true H&A? Please explain more.

o sorry was talking about the Yadav one last posted by Evian.

 

[sp3]

How to find a “super ideal” GIA diamond?
I think GIA diamonds could be close to super ideal but probably not at the same level as those from super ideal vendors. How to find one? I guess by checking regularly if you have time and are not in a rush. I bought one from JA with GIA certificate, not knowing that it was actually an AGS certified BGD.
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...f-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3767377
I like JA website because the video is very clear, so it is easy to spot potential candidates. I matched that one with this E from BN for my mom’s earrings:
https://www.bluenile.com/diamond-details/LD08664323
The E is probably not super ideal or anything, but it is good enough for me.

 

[sledge]

o sorry was talking about the Yadav one last posted by Evian.

Gotcha. For some reason I didn't see those images until later when I re-checked this thread. I've had weird glitches like this lately. Sorry for the mishap.

I would agree the Yadav stone is not true H&A. You can see this by looking at the hearts image. Also, looking at the ASET, this particular stone appears to have about 3 degrees of digging. And the ASET is showing some light pink between the 5-6 o'clock positions.

https://www.pricescope.com/articles/visible_effects_painting_digging_superideal_diamonds

 

[Matilda]

Another idea would be to still use WF but look at expert selection or premium select which are cheaper than ACA line, but still can be upgraded in the same way and will be pretty amazing!

For example expert selections around the same price to the YADAV one:

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4047004.htm

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4049803.htm

this is interesting observation on the different WF lines:

https://yourdiamondteacher.com/reviews/whiteflash-diamonds/

 

[Athena10X]

intrested in finding a super ideal diamond like this one from WF.
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4065510.htm

Trying to find a GIA stone with great proportions and excellent ASET, etc.

I’m looking for 1.0-1.10 carat.
Triple excellent.
VS2 or better. Would consider SI1 if eye clean.
G color or better.

Seems difficult to find hearts and arrows pictures as well as ideal scope and ASET images for GIA stones online.

I have been using rarecarat, but it’s still difficult to find quality cut stones.

This is what I have found so far, but hoping for a little better.
https://www.yadavjewelry.com/diamond/round-diamond-1.09-carat-g-vvs2-yd4540225
Thanks for any advice, help or assistance you can provide.

Thanks.

As you know per my thread, I was practically in your shoes, but looking for a sub-carat with fluorescence and a tight budget. After exhausting my own online searches for the better part of 2 months, I reached out to a concierge service (August Vintage). Jonathan kept communicating with me about ones he’d come across and hooked me up with a beauty. The added benefit of using Jonathan is that he has direct contact and relationships with various distributors and was able to produce the ASET and H&A images I had requested that other online vendors claimed they couldn’t obtain (that was the most frustrating aspect with using online vendors, even reputable ones). He also posted videos throughout the process.

In any case, finding the unicorn GIAXXX is like searching for a needle in the haystack; very daunting, but satisfying when found! Otherwise, if you really want a guaranteed super-ideal, go with a trusted branded vendor, which other PSers have advised of (would be my first choice). Plus, those vendors provide AGS light performance reports, which eliminate much of the guess work, unlike GIA reports. Best of luck and hoping you find your perfect unicorn as I have.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Jon will take good care of ya.

 

[bmfang]

@Rhino (Jon) will definitely help you out. That’s his bread and butter.

 

[Athena10X]

If you are looking to upgrade in the future, Jon does offer as an add-on. My understanding is that it is an industry standard to tack on a premium to the vendor’s invoice cost of sourcing the diamond from the distributor/cutting house not only to make a profit, but to also cover shipping/restocking fees (though minimal) for returns and upgrades. If you are keen on upgrading, review various vendor policies carefully. Based on my own research, HPD offers best in industry (at high premium on upfront price of diamond), followed by Whiteflash (applies to ACA , expert and premium, not virtual inventory) and BGD (Signature, not virtual, and requires updrading 2 factors in size, color and/or clarity). Same applies to online and brick and mortar stores. Read the fine print and inquire. Also, as much as I enjoy working with Jon, explore other options. I’m sure long-time PSers can recommend other diamond trades people who have been thoroughly vetted to meet PS expectations.

 

[blueMA]

If you're looking for a diamond that fits the definition of a super ideal, or a true H&A with its strict proportions & angles requirement, you should look for the diamonds with the AGS certification. That'll be the least time-consuming thing to do for most newbies. This is also because any diamond that fits that strict criteria will most likely be already AGS certified for the seller to capitalize on the premium for additional profit. This is especially true nowadays vs. over a decades ago when there used to be more true H&A GIA stones available in the market, but even then many of those also carried AGS dual certs.

For the bargain hunters that want the performance of super ideals without paying the high premium, you certainly can although they're not always easiest to find. You really need know what you're looking for, especially the complimentary angles for the best (for your preference) light performance. The ASET and Ideascope images can be helpful, but while they could help weed out bad diamonds, they're more of tools that help sell diamonds online imho. You can have two ASETs that look very similar, but with very different real life performance. The Hearts & Arrows scope is another cheap marketing tool that only shows the diamond symmetry and cut patterns, but it shows nothing of the light leakage (vs Idealscope that does). If you're getting H&A images instead of an Idealscope image, you need to wonder why. I have an Idealscope to confirm online bought diamonds and take one around while I'm out shopping in person because it helps me weed out unexpected light leakage or optical symmetry issues.

After all, once your eyes develop, all you need is the diamonds with good photos and videos accompanied by great proportions - in fact I don't bother considering the online diamonds without those anymore. A few times I inquired for them, there were almost always reasons why photos/videos weren't available in the first place, and they turned out to be waste of my time. However, even a standalone diamond video has its problems because under flattering lighting most diamonds can look pretty decent. To avoid getting fooled, it's best to have the diamond next to one with great proportions/cut to really see the performance difference. When I'm out shopping, my H&A e-ring serves as a gauge.

If I hand you a very well cut GIA 3x vs the most tightly cut H&A superideal stone, you most likely won't be able to tell the difference. It's somewhat akin to pursuing a D/FL stone vs F/VS. A true H&A is for mind cleanliness for people who're searching for guaranteed performers easily. However, you'd be shocked that there are flawed GIA3x out there that kick tight superideals in real life performance. Ultimately, nothing beats shopping with your eyes.

 

[blueMA]

BTW, as you've already received some answers regarding the stone in question, and it's an above average performer, but not an H&A.
The crown/pav looks very good along with other stats, but the diamond cut would've been improved had it not been for the slightly larger table and 80 lgh that's contributing to the bit of obstruction issue in that combo. Even without an ASET you can see the digging around the edge of the diamond plainly through the photo. It's also helpful to look for the star facets patterns (pair of triangles between the arrow heads) to help determine the diamond cut quality.

 

[sledge]

Reminds me a bit of the drag strip. Buy a proven performer, or build one? Dodge Challenger Demon = $80k+ and runs 10.83 second quarter completely stock and no traction control (notice she slips at the beginning).

Very respectable. Skip to 2:55 to avoid the jibber jabber.

Not sure the exact price of the Camaro, but guessing safely < $80k. But more knolwedge and wrench time went into her to crank out a 10 second quarter pass.

FYI, look at this Demon after some adjustments and getting broke in. 9.39 seconds....woo, hot damn!

If you really want to haul the mail, take a ride with my Challenger buddy. 6.69 in the quarter. Not a typo -- 6.69, 200+mph. Oh yeah. Of course, you aren't going to find this car anywhere to buy unless you talk to Rob directly. And you better bring lots of cash.