4ct stone, still looking!! What about this one?

[mommybuss]

Here is a diamond that Whiteflash sent me the info on......what else should I ask? What do you think about this diamond?

10.36 x 10.39 x 6.20
4.040 ct
Depth: 59.7
Table: 56.7
Girdle: thin to medium faceted
Cutlet: pointed
polish: excellent
symmetry: excellent
color: I
grade: VS2
crown angle: 33.2
pavillion angle: 40.6
fluorescence: negligible
AGS certified

What else should we ask about it before we have it sent to an appraiser? Here is the AGS cert #: 0008568309 there are some "clouds on the diamond" and then at the bottom it says "additional clouds are not shown"?? What does that mean?

Thanks!

 

[Lorelei]

It looks promising and HUGE

, I would ask the experts at Whiteflash how they rate this diamond. They will be able to give you a good idea of how it looks in all aspects and I would trust their judgement implicitly as they have the diamond and have seen it, especially as they are very experienced with larger diamonds such as this. I did a search and it appears to be a diamond that WF have to call in, so I would see what they have to say about it and if they rate it highly etc.
I would also check with them regarding the first comment of clouds, but it is unlikely there will be an issue in a VS, also clouds not shown means that they are mentioned for the sake of completeness rather than cluttering up the plotting diagram of the grading report. This is a commonly seen remark and nothing to be concerned with.
You will be in very safe hands with the WF crew!
Good luck and we would love to hear all about it and see PICS if you get it!!

 

[ringabling]

it gets a great rating from HCA:
Factor Grade
Light Return Excellent
Fire Excellent
Scintillation Excellent
Spread
or diameter for weight Excellent
Total Visual Performance 0.6 - Excellent
within TIC range


Did you talk on the phone to an SA that has seen it IRL?

 

[mommybuss]

I''m dealing with Lesley from Whiteflash. I haven''t talked to her on the phone yet (just communicating via email). I wanted to have all my questions ready before actually talking to her! LOL I want to make sure we''re making an informed decision on our HUGE purchase! ;P I am having my custom ring and band made right now.....just looking for a diamond to go in it! ;P

 

[mommybuss]

Ringabling: I just looked at the cut advisor, why does "my" diamond fall outside the excellent/ideal lines if everything else comes back excellent?

Thanks for your help!

 

[risingsun]

I''m not Ringabling, but you''ll need to ask WF about this. It appears to be outside the parameters of both excellent and ideal, but you will need to see the AGS grading report to find out for sure. Since it''s being called in from another source, WF will have to evaluate it for you. Were you told whether it had a grade of AGS0?

 

[mommybuss]

Marian, not sure how that can happen? I have a copy of the AGS report, but I don''t see anything on it that says what cut it is (ie, excellent, ideal, etc)!? All of this diamond stuff is so confusing! LOL I''m having my ring and band made right now.....so excited! I told dh that I didn''t want to rush in finding a diamond.....I''m ok with having the setting before the diamond! ;P

Thanks for your help.
~*~Michele~*~

 

[risingsun]

Date: 12/31/2007 6:36:40 PM
Author: mommybuss
Marian, not sure how that can happen? I have a copy of the AGS report, but I don't see anything on it that says what cut it is (ie, excellent, ideal, etc)!? All of this diamond stuff is so confusing! LOL I'm having my ring and band made right now.....so excited! I told dh that I didn't want to rush in finding a diamond.....I'm ok with having the setting before the diamond! ;P

Thanks for your help.
~*~Michele~*~

Michele,
You should have a cut grade on your grading report. I took a random report for you to look at. You can see where the cut grade is shown at the upper left of the page. Hope it's OK to post this, WF! Well that didn't work. Look at your grading report. You will see the cut grade, along with the color and clarity grades. Let me find another example.

Try this thread:
https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/ags-dqd-grading-reports-old-and-new.45611/
There is an even newer version of the AGS grading report, but I hope this helps!

 

[mommybuss]

Marian,

That''s really wierd, the copy of the AGS report she sent me doesn''t look like either one of those!?

 

[Skippy123]

Date: 12/31/2007 7:21:18 PM
Author: mommybuss
Marian,

That's really wierd, the copy of the AGS report she sent me doesn't look like either one of those!?

Does the cut say 0? Or 1? I couldn't pull up the cert on the website, is that the right number?

 

[mommybuss]

No.....and of course WF is closed so I can''t even ask! LOL This is driving me crazy! ;P

 

[risingsun]

 

[Demelza]

Date: 12/31/2007 5:15:41 PM
Author: mommybuss
Ringabling: I just looked at the cut advisor, why does 'my' diamond fall outside the excellent/ideal lines if everything else comes back excellent?


Thanks for your help!

The Ideal/Excellent lines on the HCA refer to the parameters established by the AGS and GIA respectively. This particular diamond would likely not receive AGS 0 or GIA Excellent status because it's a bit shallow with a 33.2/40.6 angle combo. The HCA, however, tends to like shallow stones (you can do a search and see what Garry Holloway has to say about shallow/shallow combos), so that explains why it gets HCA excellent ratings. I once had a diamond with very similar specs -- almost identical, in fact -- and it was a lovely stone. I would imagine that stones in this size range are very, very limited. I'll be interested to see what WF says about this stone. Keep us posted!

Oh, by the way, I'm just curious how you're able to have your custom setting made before you know the dimensions of your diamond?

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Date: 12/31/2007 10:13:28 PM
Author: Demelza

Date: 12/31/2007 5:15:41 PM
Author: mommybuss
Ringabling: I just looked at the cut advisor, why does ''my'' diamond fall outside the excellent/ideal lines if everything else comes back excellent?


Thanks for your help!

The Ideal/Excellent lines on the HCA refer to the parameters established by the AGS and GIA respectively. This particular diamond would likely not receive AGS 0 or GIA Excellent status because it''s a bit shallow with a 33.2/40.6 angle combo. The HCA, however, tends to like shallow stones (you can do a search and see what Garry Holloway has to say about shallow/shallow combos), so that explains why it gets HCA excellent ratings. I once had a diamond with very similar specs -- almost identical, in fact -- and it was a lovely stone. I would imagine that stones in this size range are very, very limited. I''ll be interested to see what WF says about this stone. Keep us posted!

Oh, by the way, I''m just curious how you''re able to have your custom setting made before you know the dimensions of your diamond?

Ditto...Demelza read my mind! Generally the head of the setting is made for the exact size of the stone. I wouldn''t let them make the e-ring setting until you make a decision on the stone.

 

[solange]

Since this is a stone that Whiteflash has to send for, you should call Leslie and discuss it with her. When I bought my 4.10 stone from Whiteflash, I discussed it with her on the phone. She had discussed it with the dealer from whom they were getting it and felt it was worth sending for.

I was told that once they received it, Brian would examine it and if it did not meet their standards, they would return it and that I was under no obligation.

When the stone came in, Brian called me and discussed the stone at length. He said he could strongly recommend it. I then had it sent to Just Appraisers where David Wolf concurred that it was everything Whiteflash said it was.

The stone you are considering is a costly purchase and I do not blame you for being extremely cautious. However I have full confidence that Whiteflash will not mislead you in any way. I believe that, since the dealer sending Whiteflash the stone no doubt does a lot of business with them, they would be honest about the stone before shipping it to Whiteflash as there is no point in taking an expensive item like this out of circulation only to have it returned.
Good luck and Happy New Year.

 

[mommybuss]

The head (prongs) aren''t being made, put on, whatever you call it until I have my diamond.....he did say he could make it for a 4ct diamond and then adjust it for the EXACT size of my diamond......

 

[mommybuss]

Here is a response from Lesley......she is so helpful!! ..............

The AGS has two report formats.

1. The Diamond Quality Document (DQD) is their top shelf report; it comes with light performance evaluation and goes up to “ideal” in polish and symmetry. It costs more to procure, but gives more detailed assessment.

2. The Diamond Quality Report (DQR) maintains the same color/clarity strictness and keeps the proportions information intact but does not ‘penalize’ a diamond that didn’t earn ideal finish grades (which may be a non-visible difference). To many shoppers a DQD with EX/EX finish and good proportions is more ‘mind clean’ than a diamond than an AGS1 or AGS2 DQD.

This diamond was graded with a DQR. That may be because its proportions are predicted to receive a 1 in light performance, or because it did not earn ‘ideal’ in polish and/or symmetry. Since our cutting partner did not produce the stone we don’t know those specifics. It’s a tad shallower than diamonds we would allow into our ‘A Cut Above’ line but it a nice find, as diamonds in this size range are quite rare in near-Tolkowsky proportions. Remember also that we provide ideal-scope and ASET photos so one can see firsthand the light performance pedigree of the diamond.

So, this helps answer some questions!! She is so great and emailed me this info on New Year''s Eve!!! Thanks Lesley if you''re reading this!

 

[Lorelei]

* rubs hands* now it sounds as if this diamond is well worth further investigation, especially as Lesley comments it is a '' nice find!'' Please keep us posted on progress or any more info you may get!

 

[solange]

Lesley is delightful and easy to speak with. You should not hesitate to call her with any questions you have about this purchase. She will answer your questions and you will be mkae to feel as if you knew her well. And Brian, who is an expert and a cutter, will also go into great detail about the stone and answer questons you could not even think to ask.
I noticed there were other stones in this size and price category that were available on the Whiteflash site. There must be a reason that Lesley though this was your best choice.
I bought the first stone they sent to the appraiser and am thrilled with it. Once you speak with Lesley, you will feel you are speaking with a friend.
I think you are going in the right direction by having expert guidance rather than just numbers on paper. I wish you well and hope you get as much enjoyment out of any stone you select as I have with mine.