2.5 ctw diamond earrings --is non-certified OK?

[navigator]

One of the most active internet vendors quoted me the following--and I wonder if this makes sense?
1. Round diamond earrings, two stones with

2.5 ctw (my request), mounted
2. Non-certified (vendor says these are much cheaper if they are not certified)
3. I-J white
4. VS2-SI no visible inclusion (although I said SI3 to I1 would probably be OK for earrings, he said no way)
5. Premium cut (1A-2B)
6.$7200 delivered
7. from his wholesaler in NYC, comes with 10 day money back policy

I am new to the diamond game, but I thought it made sense to buy certified stones? How do I know if the "I-J and the VS2-SI" are accurate if I do not have a certification? Can I just trust these guys?
thanks

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[strmrdr]

That is so wrong in so many ways....
Just RUN away from that deal...

 

[strmrdr]

here is a rather poor cut j-si1 at a representative internet price.
http://www.whiteflash.com/diamonds/diamond_Details.aspx?itemcode=842351

Price: $5,238.00

Now a gia cert for a stone like that would be in the under $200 range.

So if they can spend $400 and sell them for $10400 why in the world would they sell them to you for $7200 mounted????

 

[Jennifer5973]

I hate to say it, but things that seem too good to be true usually are.

Unless you could get them appraised beforehand to verify, I'd pass. If you're confident in the 10-day guarantee, pay by credit card to cover yourself and try them out, but the odds favor they are cruddy stones. Or, you may get extremely lucky and get the deal of the year.

 

[Dancing Fire]

Date: 12/10/2004 9:53

6 PM
Author:navigator
One of the most active internet vendors quoted me the following--and I wonder if this makes sense?
1. Round diamond earrings, two stones with

2.5 ctw (my request), mounted
2. Non-certified (vendor says these are much cheaper if they are not certified)
3. I-J white
4. VS2-SI no visible inclusion (although I said SI3 to I1 would probably be OK for earrings, he said no way)
5. Premium cut (1A-2B)
6.$7200 delivered
7. from his wholesaler in NYC, comes with 10 day money back policy

I am new to the diamond game, but I thought it made sense to buy certified stones? How do I know if the 'I-J and the VS2-SI' are accurate if I do not have a certification? Can I just trust these guys?
thanks

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john
$7200 for the pair ? these will be ugly ,don't waste your time, check with vendors here on ps they offer ags or gia certified stone for ex price. $7200 will buy a nice pair of earrings but not 2.5 ctw.

 

[valeria101]

On top of what Strmdr says....

Well, certified diamonds sell at a premium for some reason. It is practical to compare prices with GIA certified diamonds at least one grade lower (bot color & clarity), just for piece of mind. Just because those look clean mounted and with no magnification, it does not mena they are not SI3 or worse.

Anyway, the only thing that really must hold in this deal is the 10 day return. You can always get a expert opinion (preferably from an appraiser, not another seller that would like you to change your mind anyway) in the meantime and sort things out.

Just for fun, yu may want to run some price comparison for J/SI2: then... you get prices per (1.2-1.3cts) stone starting at about 3k (EGL). Meaning... well, these could be relatively expensive J/SI2 after all.

Either you drop the deal entirely or ask for an appraisal during those 10 days, there still is some hussle.

 

[MichelleCarmen]

Basically, strmrdr is correct that this deal is one to run away from. To add to his statement. . .Without certification, you''re pretty much guaranteed to be purchasing stones with one or two lower color/clarity grades. The price you''ve been quoted is unbelievably low. And, most importantly, without any percentages that tell you the diameter of the stones, crown angles, pavilion angles, and stuff like this, you''re risking that these stones could be duds. Regardless of what the color and clarity of the stones are, the CUT determines whether or not these diamonds are killer sparkilers or dull and lifeless ones.

You have two choices. Either purchase the stones and have an appraiser prelined up to check out the stones to make sure they''re what they''re suppose to be (and also order an ideal scope - see below - to make sure these diamonds return a decent amount of light rather than have tons of leakage so you know the cut *is* premium). . .OR, take your money and consider going down a bit in size (depending upon you budget, as I assume you''re on one. . .who isnt???) and take your time and find two well matched, certified stones, that are superior cuts based on idealscope images and get your money''s worth!!!

Keep in mind, and this is important, well cut stones look bigger than terribly illproportioned stones and therefore, you can actually buy, for example a .80 hearts and arrow carat stone and have it face up and look bigger than a poorly cut 1 carat simply because well cut stones return more light and are cut more to the size v. just cut so they weigh more to sell for larger profit.

Info on ideal scope: https://www.pricescope.com/idealscope_indx.asp

This board has tons of knowledgable people so if you want help finding great stones, post, let us know your budget and what you''re trying to find and we can help.