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2.17 ct stone for $1750 a carat, is it worth it?

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What is your problem? I''m asking people''s opinions because they are more knowedgeable than me. If you don''t want to help me that''s fine but don''t make my thread go off topic. I came here asking for people''s opinions and never gave anyone any attitude or any reason to insult me.
 
Date: 6/21/2006 2:09:09 AM
Author: Acadiamonds
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yeah...not so much.

the only thing better looking in that picture is the setting which is actually quite pretty. the diamond however, is not!

aca...are you a diamond dealer? in another thread posted on 6/20 in the morning, you said you had a 2.17 you wanted to clarity enhance. in THIS thread, posted on 6/20 at 5pm you said you were looking at buying this 2.17c stone. so which is it? you already own it or you want to buy it?? then in another thread you said you were buying and selling I1-I3 diamonds. so what's the deal?

this is a consumer based forum....not a wholesaler vendor connection.
 
WOW!!! we got a mean bunch online tonight
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Date: 6/21/2006 2:36:49 AM
Author: Dancing Fire
WOW!!! we got a mean bunch online tonight
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Diamonds that ugly make us grumpy!
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atleast the diamonds at walmart dont look like that...they at least sparkle.
 
Date: 6/21/2006 2:34:32 AM
Author: Mara
Date: 6/21/2006 2:09:09 AM

Author: Acadiamonds

Here is a better picture:
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yeah...not so much.


the only thing better looking in that picture is the setting which is actually quite pretty. the diamond however, is not!


aca...are you a diamond dealer? in another thread posted on 6/20 in the morning, you said you had a 2.17 you wanted to clarity enhance. in THIS thread, posted on 6/20 at 5pm you said you were looking at buying this 2.17c stone. so which is it? you already own it or you want to buy it?? then in another thread you said you were buying and selling I1-I3 diamonds. so what''s the deal?


this is a consumer based forum....not a wholesaler vendor connection.
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I haven''t bought it yet, but I would like to buy it and possibly enhance it. I wanted to get some other opinions as well. I''m not a diamond dealer, I just have a small side business buying and selling.
 
You asked for opinions so this is mine - and I assure you it is well meant
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Clarity enhancement won't help that diamond. The cut is bad, it doesn't sparkle and the whole stone in fact looks cloudy and dull. Enhancing reduces specific inclusions, I don't see anything from the picture that could be removed to improve it. You could pay out to enhance that diamond and still have a dull and cloudy stone which doesn't sparkle and look attractive. Pass.
 

My first double post!!

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the diamond has a transparency problem. all the enhancements are not going to help. pass on this one.
 
This is the poster diamond for why cut is sooo important. We should show this picture to newbies wondering why they need to worry about cut so much.

$3800 for that thing, even for 2+ct, would be a big mistake.
 
actually i disagree it''s not cut it''s chemical composition. there''s a contaminant in there, making it cloudy.
 
I would be interested in an expert opinion here as to what is actually making that diamond so cloudy overall- numerous small inclusions and / or cut.
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I suppose it could be a mix of both, or poor polish or maybe just a greasy stone with a film on it....
 
I''d save your money and use it toward something else. It looks cloudy and kinda plastic like.
 
Date: 6/21/2006 8:26:52 AM
Author: ladykemma
actually i disagree it''s not cut it''s chemical composition. there''s a contaminant in there, making it cloudy.
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Precisely Lady Chemist!

This diamond look like industrial grade. Clarity enhancing will not help it. Pass on it unless you enjoy wearing frozen spit.
 
Date: 6/21/2006 10:07:10 AM
Author: fire&ice

Date: 6/21/2006 8:26:52 AM
Author: ladykemma
actually i disagree it''s not cut it''s chemical composition. there''s a contaminant in there, making it cloudy.
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Precisely Lady Chemist!

This diamond look like industrial grade. Clarity enhancing will not help it. Pass on it unless you enjoy wearing frozen spit.
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Well said
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just wondering...

if it WAS only the cut that was making it look so bad, couldnt you buy it for 3,800, get it recut into like a 2.0 ct and it would become worth tremendously more?
 
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Instead of buying that stone and if he was my man ,,,, I would rather go to wal-mart and pic out something from there . I don''t understand what he sees good about that stone????
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And I''m not being mean either,,,, I just don''t understand...
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Actually this is by no means the worst looking diamond I have ever seen, not good yes but not as bad as some......
 
Date: 6/21/2006 10:23:47 AM
Author: froufrou
just wondering...

if it WAS only the cut that was making it look so bad, couldnt you buy it for 3,800, get it recut into like a 2.0 ct and it would become worth tremendously more?
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because it's not the cut. This diamond has serious transparancy issues.

Edited to add: A great suggestion BTW if the cut was the issue. In fact, someone on this board a couple of years back bought a horribly cut big honker & was able to have it recut into a killer smaller diamond with great savings.
 
ACADiamonds, I'll venture to say that you are probably not going to find the opinions you are looking for on this forum.

People here are very highly educated on quality diamonds, and always willing to help a consumer make a good purchase for their needs/budget... but less inclined to spend valuable time analyzing the merits of very, very low grade diamonds. There may be a market for that sort of stone somewhere, but you will likely not find it on Pricescope... if anything, the stone you posted (not clear on whether you actually own it or not) serves as a teaching tool on the enormous impact cut/clarity/chemical make-up can have on an otherwise nice-sized diamond!

If you are interested in learning more about what makes a quality diamond (there are MANY factors that come into play), stick around! You will learn LOTS here. Otherwise, you may want to try a forum more geared towards your specific market. Just some friendly advice since you don't seem to be getting the answers you wanted!
 
I try to keep an open mind.
I believe we should live and let live.

Apparently there IS a market for large crappy-looking diamonds.

To some people all that matters is SIZE!
 
Aca,

There’s nothing wrong with being a diamond dealer and as far as I can tell, you’ve never claimed to be otherwise. Welcome to Pricescope!

Dealing in a business where you don’t understand either the product or the business is putting yourself into a risky deal. For example, how did you decide that the subject stone here is SI2/SI3 instead of, say, I-2 or even I-3, which is what the crowd here is telling you? This difference is pretty important.

Presumably as a dealer, you are planning on selling this to someone else at a profit. Who? I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that you will be selling to an end consumer (as opposed to another dealer) and that your selling proposition will be that you’ve got a 2.17ct SI2/SI3 I/J that is less expensive than other potential suppliers, right? This means that you are putting a huge amount of faith in your supplier with regard to that grading claim. Make sure your faith is justified since you are the one who will end up legally responsible for it's accuracy. Selling I-2's and calling them SI-2's can be the start of a fair amount of trouble and pointing at a 'lab' doesn't usually help.

Neil Beaty
GG(GIA) ISA NAJA
Professional Appraisals in Denver
 
Why do so many people want to get in the diamond business that are gemologically ignorant.


There is certainly nothing wrong with wanting to sell diamonds, but first those who want to do it should learn FIRST.

Then make the investment in the proper gemological equipment so you can be assured that you represent the item correctly.

and not just an internet education either.

Unfortunately, there are already too many people who don''t know, don''t care to know, and practice on the unknowledgeable consumer.

A lot of sellers go after the market sector of size and price, and not legitimately knowing.

If a seller doesn''t know what he''s selling- how does he know what he''s buying????

Also unfortunately, there are a lot of people that use the primary consideration of size and price only when buying a diamond, believe whatever sellers who are ignorant tell them, and spend their hard earned cash on it.

On ebay I see the worst frozen sipit being sold at grades of SI..... SAD!

Rockdoc
 
Date: 6/21/2006 11:15:32 AM
Author: denverappraiser
Aca,


There’s nothing wrong with being a diamond dealer and as far as I can tell, you’ve never claimed to be otherwise. Welcome to Pricescope!


Dealing in a business where you don’t understand either the product or the business is putting yourself into a risky deal. For example, how did you decide that the subject stone here is SI2/SI3 instead of, say, I-2 or even I-3, which is what the crowd here is telling you? This difference is pretty important.


Presumably as a dealer, you are planning on selling this to someone else at a profit. Who? I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that you will be selling to an end consumer (as opposed to another dealer) and that your selling proposition will be that you’ve got a 2.17ct SI2/SI3 I/J that is less expensive than other potential suppliers, right? This means that you are putting a huge amount of faith in your supplier with regard to that grading claim. Make sure your faith is justified since you are the one who will end up legally responsible for it''s accuracy. Selling I-2''s and calling them SI-2''s can be the start of a fair amount of trouble and pointing at a ''lab'' doesn''t usually help.


Neil Beaty

GG(GIA) ISA NAJA

Professional Appraisals in Denver

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Thanks for the reply. I decided the stone is SI2-SI3 for the fact that it''s eye clean, but that there are visible inclusions when looking at it under 10x zoom.
 
I get a bad feeling in my tummy from this whole thing. BUYER BEWARE. Someone who buys & sells diamonds "on the side" is still a Diamond Seller.

The thought that people are out there buying up diamonds like THIS ONE, "fixing ''em up" to make ''em appear briefly better & selling them at huge profits
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I wish EVERYONE would find Pricescope before rock shopping. It''s ROUGH out there!
 
Aca,

Read up on your clarity definitions. 'Eye clean' is not one the standards in the usual GIA scale. 'Materially affects the transparency and brightness of the stone', on the other hand, is.

Rockdoc,

There’s a popular belief that jewelers get big markups for nothing and that this consequently is a vehicle to get rich easily. I have to say, in 30 years of business I haven’t met ANYONE who has pulled this off. Mind you, I do know some people who’ve made a good living in the diamond and jewelry businesses, including myself, but they do it through hard work, careful investment, dedicated education and strong ethics. Curiously enough, this is how you succeed in pretty much any business. For some reason, diamonds are presented as a magic pill that circumvents this requirement for aspiring diamondtaires and the world is full of suppliers who are anxious to take their money.

Neil Beaty
GG(GIA) ISA NAJA
Professional Appraisals in Denver
 
I’ve got no particular problem with big low quality diamonds. I absolutely agree that some people have size and price as their primary objectives and it’s entirely reasonable to offer them stones that meet this requirement. The zinger is still in the grading. The expected difference in price between an I-2 and an otherwise similar SI-2 is on the order of 300%.

Aca, I think you’re getting fed a line of bull. Your supplier knows all of this. Somebody is looking for a sucker here, and you don't want it to be you. Your venture into the jewelry business is going to be a short, bumpy and expensive ride if you don’t get some education.

If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.

Neil Beaty
GG(GIA) ISA NAJA
Professional Appraisals in Denver
 
RE: Suckers

What amazes me is just how many there are ! Not only at the consumer level - but at the dealer level too.

What else amazes me is just how many in the trade, are ignorant and think they know.

Yay - Neil..... great quote..... about ignorance!

Rockdoc
 
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