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New ***Ebay Purchase*** Diamonds . thoughts welcomed

guilhermeesq

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Hello,

thank-you for your reply's in advance this forum has some of the kindest folks.
anyways I Just bought this ring for myself

http://www.ebay.com/itm/190610460646?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

Can anybody help me feel better about my purchase. I Felt confident before but now i am starting to notice some possible inclusions.
I hope the ring is nice and the diamonds are large. anybody can give opinions on diamond size, clarity or cut based on my photos.
 

guilhermeesq

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Re: New ***Ebay Purchase***

sorry in advance for photos the seller had blurry ones i like to gamble a bit , hope it turns out well.
 

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The diamonds look cloudy and poorly cut to me
 

MissGotRocks

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There is no way to really tell about the quality of the stones from the picture. They appear somewhat cloudy to me but they could also be dirty. His opinion of the color and clarity (offered in response to the question asked in the listing) truly mean nothing more than opinion. 25 points vs 35 points is quite a spread per stone as well and sounds like a guess on his part.

You have taken a gamble but $865 is not a fortune. Hope the ring turns out to be all you had hoped for!
 

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The diamonds look dirty, not necessarily cloudy. The diamonds look like typical vintage modern brilliants -- large tables, shallow cut. They will probably be bright and white, but may not show a lot of colored fire. You did not pay a whole lot for this ring, the diamonds are decent size, and my guess is the ring will look very nice after a thorough cleaning and polishing. The seller states that the diamonds are VVS clarity, so take the ring to your local jeweler and ask for his/her opinion on the color and clarity (just say it's a family ring, don't say anything about ebay!). I think ebay buyer protection will cover you if the diamonds are not the quality that the seller states (i,e., cloudy), but you have a limited time to make a claim, so take it to your jeweler as soon as you receive the ring.
 

guilhermeesq

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I hope they have fire my favorite part is the fire at the casino when im playing poker.

I can determine at least vs clarity with my 10x and 20x , i would be satisfied with vs or even si1 in a few stones as long as no table inclusions. i also expect the cut to be like mentioned i am just hoping for that fire. please god of diamonds give me fire one time , just one time i wont ask again.

I took a large gamble with the point spread .25-.35 but they really really appear .35 to my eyes. compared to other 7 stone rings ive seen for men.
 

guilhermeesq

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more comments welcomed :) friendly atmosphere
 

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Yeah,I think the previous owner was dragged back to court by his soon to be ex-wife, note the deep scratches on both sides of the ring! :lol:
 

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I'd agree with Lulu that the stones (and the rest of the ring!) will look a lot better after a good cleaning.

You're a gambler... I hope this turns out to be be a good bet for you. Please post some pictures after you get it!
 

LD

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With the weight of gold alone and then throw in the diamonds, you're probably not paying much more than the scrap value so it's a decent buy. Not sure about the diamonds - prepare yourself that they may look a little cloudy and then anything better will be a bonus.
 

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guilhermeesq|1323832591|3081161 said:
I hope they have fire my favorite part is the fire at the casino when im playing poker.

I can determine at least vs clarity with my 10x and 20x , i would be satisfied with vs or even si1 in a few stones as long as no table inclusions. i also expect the cut to be like mentioned i am just hoping for that fire. please god of diamonds give me fire one time , just one time i wont ask again.

I took a large gamble with the point spread .25-.35 but they really really appear .35 to my eyes. compared to other 7 stone rings ive seen for men.

LOL, you are indeed a gambler, :D
Under the bright spotlighting in a casino or bar or restaurant, yes, they should sparkle and show fire. That type of lighting flatters all diamonds.
 

guilhermeesq

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yes i will take some real photos as soon as it gets in the door :)

:$$): its hard to take my mind off this ring. I'm a real magpie when it comes to jewelry.

Are there other men like me too? or is it rare for men to love gems and the whole world that surrounds them?
 

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I see another PS addict in the making! :wink2:
 

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VRBeauty|1323878654|3081431 said:
I see another PS addict in the making! :wink2:


Agreed! Lol

Too hard to determine quality of the ri g from those pics- get it in your hands- have ir cleaned- and bring it to an appraise if you really want to know what you got...
 

guilhermeesq

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heres a vid . nightime fluroescent and other standard lightbulbs in the room

sorry for poor quality, but you get a good idea of the sparkle and stuff, :razz: :razz: im soooo happy.

one stone is spread/larger table, the rest of the stones are cut well


how many carats does this appear to be face up if you were to guestimate ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX2lVIwAfoE
 

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ETA: Looks pretty good now that I read your last post! I am glad you are happy!
 

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I am glad you are pleased with your purchase. I just want to say your cats are beautiful- just adorable!
 

guilhermeesq

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none of the stones have inclusions in the table area, they are all off to the side or edges of the diamonds. little white pinpoint inclusions. they do not seem to affect the sparkle/scintillation. there is 1 carbon spot in 1 of the stones, the spread/large table stone. That carbon is off in the corner and it looks almost like a black reflection instead of carbon spot, it took 2 days to find with 10x


These diamonds I Looked with my naked eyes first, and i noticed the variation in cut between them, but i did not notice any eye visibile inclusions. as soon as you look with a 10x loupe, you see little white pinpricks and tiny feathers . none are in the table area of the stones.

I consider myself to have very good vision 20/20 or better. What would you grade a stone that you cannot see inclusions with naked eye, but as soon as you 10x you can see them off to the sides of the stones away from the table.




would that be Si1? possibly vs2?

I spent like 10 hrs louping these stones btw
 

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An appraiser would be your best bet at this point to give you an analysis of the stones. There is no way for us to determine the clarity of all of those stones. The ring looks very sparkly in your video and it sounds as though you are pleased with what you see!
 

guilhermeesq

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my question is , what is your personal call on a diamond which you cannot see anything to the naked eye. looks eyeclean
and when you loupe it you cannot see table inclusions and only white pinpricks and feathers outside of the table.
 

guilhermeesq

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I know an appraiser would be the most accurate. however I would greatly appreciate all of your expert opinions which will be taken as opinions not its "true" grade
 

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From the vendor photos the diamonds looks like common commercial grade cuts, so if I have to guess they are Si1-Si2 stones, but who the heck knows. In diamonds that size you often cannot see SI2 inclusions with the naked eye. But that is a total guess just based on the fact that most common commercial grade diamonds (excluding high end retailers) seem to be that type of clarity.
 

guilhermeesq

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only one of the stones is a commerical cut.
 

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Given the cost of the ring, I wouldn't pay to have it appraised unless you really had to know. Glad you are happy with your buy
 

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guilhermeesq|1325458327|3093073 said:
only one of the stones is a commerical cut.

How do you know that?

I use the term "commercial grade" to refer to diamonds sold in bulk to jewelery makers who then sell them set in finished pieces to the public, as opposed to stones cut and often sold loose to the public accompanied by lab reports. Cut quality in the former category can vary, though there is no lab report to verify the quality differences. The photos in the ebay listing show some indications that the stones you have in your ring are not "premium commerical grade" or whatever in-house label jewelery manufacturers like to apply to their in-house smaller stones without lab reports that they use in their jewelery. Rather they appear to my eye from those ph0tos to be a more common variety of cut quality used in jewelery. It is not an insult, just an observation. Your photos suggest they are bright stones with nice sparkle. Good! But I don't think they are of the quality you *can* find either in general commercial product or in stones with lab reports. But you would pay a lot more for that! Without an appraisal, though, from someone reputable... who knows! It is all just guess work.
 

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Dreamer_D|1325467987|3093174 said:
guilhermeesq|1325458327|3093073 said:
only one of the stones is a commerical cut.

How do you know that?

It should not be an issue , but if you must know. I have an ideal cut laser inscribed canadian polar ice diamond .26 carat
If i did not have this stone it would be harder for me to know. In comparing my stones to the ideal cut the difference would be
the examples shown.

my polar ice has a very similar cut to this

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/D-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1418034.asp


My ring purchased on ebay has 6 stones that look like this : all with very small tables proper proportions, and are not spread one bit.
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-VS2-Premium-Cut-Round-Diamond-1378363.asp

The one stone on the ring is commercial cut.

and i have owned commerical cut stones in previous rings i have flipped
 

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I was trying to answer your questions, and I can tell you why I do not agree with your assessment or seek to explain myself further since from your reply I do not think you understood my point, but I don't think you really want to hear my opinion :)) Enjoy your ring!
 

guilhermeesq

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The term commercial grade should only be applied to commercial grade stones.
Not stones without lab reports that have close to ideal or ideal proportions IMO it can get confusing when using the term commercial grade for a stone with excellent cut but no lab report.

Lab reports Do not need to be present to have a premium or near premium cut.
 
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