Help me narrow down my choice - Round Brilliant

[Matthews1127]

Perhaps it works, now?

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/compare.aspx?idnos=3999631,3986323

 

[butters88]

Ideal scopes attached from James Allan

#4
#5

 

[Matthews1127]

So, let’s examine....
The red dotted circle is where the inclusion is. I dunno about you, but I can’t “unsee” this. She will see it, as well....and once you see it, it cannot be “unseen”.
The white dotted area is where you either have a great deal of contrast, or you are losing light return. I have a feeling it’s simple contrast, as it’s not completely white, but it is PINK.
Which means the light return in this area is not as strong.
Compared to the WF IS & ASET reports of the two others in comparison that I posted for you, this image lacks in performance. You can clearly see the difference between the performance of the GIAxxx and AGS000. AGS000 wins, hands down.

 

[Matthews1127]

The white dotted area is an area of concern. Either this diamond was on a serious tilt during the IS imaging process, or there is serious light leakage, here.

 

[butters88]

Thanks. I will contact the jeweller and specify AGS0000 or the parameters mentioned in a previous. If not I will go through whiteflash myself

 

[Matthews1127]

Thanks. I will contact the jeweller and specify AGS0000 or the parameters mentioned in a previous. If not I will go through whiteflash myself

Sending you diamond dust for a successful search!! Please let us know what you find!!

 

[butters88]

Not necessarily interested In this diamond but interested to hear your thoughts on the overall specs. This has been put forward by another jeweller but the weight is too small for my liking.

https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...g-color-vs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3569042

 

[butters88]

OK. I went back to my jeweler and specified the parameters mentioned earlier in this thread. This dealer doesn't deal in AGS stones. Seems like not many do Australia.

The jeweler has come back to me with the following options, prices shown are for the diamond fully set in a simple solitaire setting.

It looks like a few of these are 60/60 (or very close to it) which I understand not many people rate.

Stone 1 - H color, FL, 1.12ct, ex ex ex (HCA 1.6) - $11,500 (2193350791)
Stone 2 - E, VS2, 1.01, ex ex ex (HCA 1.4) - $10,100 (119645634
Stone 3 - H, VS1, 1.03, ex ex ex (HCA 1.1) - $9,000 (2193394496)
Stone 4 - H, VS1, 1.06, ex ex ex (HCA 0.9) - $9,200 (1192276254)
Stone 5 - F, VS1, 1.0, ex ex ex (HCA 1.2) - $10,800 (2191471464)

Thoughts? @Matthews1127 @rockysalamander

Thanks

 

[butters88]

I have hearts and arrow images for each if that helps.

 

[Matthews1127]

OK. I went back to my jeweler and specified the parameters mentioned earlier in this thread. This dealer doesn't deal in AGS stones. Seems like not many do Australia.

The jeweler has come back to me with the following options, prices shown are for the diamond fully set in a simple solitaire setting.

It looks like a few of these are 60/60 (or very close to it) which I understand not many people rate.

Stone 1 - H color, FL, 1.12ct, ex ex ex (HCA 1.6) - $11,500 (2193350791)
Stone 2 - E, VS2, 1.01, ex ex ex (HCA 1.4) - $10,100 (119645634
Stone 3 - H, VS1, 1.03, ex ex ex (HCA 1.1) - $9,000 (2193394496)
Stone 4 - H, VS1, 1.06, ex ex ex (HCA 0.9) - $9,200 (1192276254)
Stone 5 - F, VS1, 1.0, ex ex ex (HCA 1.2) - $10,800 (2191471464)

Thoughts? @Matthews1127 @rockysalamander

Thanks

Do you know the dimensions of each of these diamonds? Do any of them have great spread for their weight?
Have you seen any of them to know that they are “clean”, under the table, and there are no glaring inclusions that may detract from the beauty & performance?

 

[Matthews1127]

I have hearts and arrow images for each if that helps.

Please share. If you have IS images, and the dimensions, that will help, too.

 

[Matthews1127]

Not necessarily interested In this diamond but interested to hear your thoughts on the overall specs. This has been put forward by another jeweller but the weight is too small for my liking.

https://www.jamesallen.com/mobile/l...g-color-vs1-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3569042

HCA Score: 1.4

https://www.pricescope.com/tools/hca

 

[butters88]

Stone 1


Stone 2



Stone 3

 

[butters88]

Stone 4


Stone 5



Stone 6 - another that a customer put a deposit on but didn't proceed. 1.2ct, F, SI2.

 

[Matthews1127]

All of the above I deal scope images are better than the previous, and I do believe that you are on the right track. However, each image has its own issues. The hearts are unbalanced, and there does appear to be light leakage under the table of each one. That may be due to the position of the diamond during imaging; perhaps they were tilted in some fashion?
I’m not an expert, and I certainly do not have all the answers pertaining to these images, as they can be quite complicated to interpret. From what I have learned about modern round brilliants, and from studying multiple ideal scopes, here on this forum, I just can’t get past these tiny details.
It is possible that someone with a lot more knowledge of these things can chime in and give you some sort of positive, more accurate feedback.
Pertaining to the first diamond that you posted, you are paying a great deal more for a stone with minimal spread differentiation and for clarity that you will never see; Flawless clarity is overkill, especially when you can get a perfectly clear, eye clean and mind clean VS to VVS clarity stone for much less.
However, this all pertains to your preference and what you consider to be I clean and mind clean. For the minimal amount of extra carat weight that you will gain with this flawless stone, it just does not seem worth the money, to me.
This would be the moment to try to examine each of these diamonds in person, with the naked eye, next to one another, so that you can determine what you believe fits your budget, and looks best to you. That is an advantage that you have that we do not.

 

[butters88]

Unfortunately these are all still mostly online stones. The jeweler isn't even in the same state as me but saves me the hassle of import taxes etc. Setting costs are much lower which makes it about as feasible as online ordering without that hassle.

 

[Matthews1127]

Unfortunately these are all still mostly online stones. The jeweler isn't even in the same state as me but saves me the hassle of import taxes etc. Setting costs are much lower which makes it about as feasible as online ordering without that hassle.

So let’s get back to the basics. Which of the most recent posted diamonds appeal most to you?

 

[butters88]

On paper the F VS1 probably is my pick. But then I'm not sure about the proportions .

 

[Matthews1127]

As you mentioned, these are primarily 60/60. You’ll get plenty of tiny, white scintillation, but little to no rainbow flash.
That may not be someone else’s cup of tea, but you may prefer that.
I prefer higher crowns, tinier tables, and beautiful rainbow flashes of light. But, that’s me. I’m also a huge fan of Old Cuts over MRB.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Stone 4 is excellent!!!! 1.06 H VS1 (I am assuming the prices are in Aus $, right?)

It's actually the only one that completely falls into the parameters I gave you! You can see that it has outstanding light performance and almost perfect hearts images! It has strong blue fluorescence as a bonus! I love it but you have to have a little UV flashlight to see it!

Buy this one, or else go with WF. Please get that stone reserved immediately. It is the only stone you've posted that I would buy personally (other than WF).

 

[rockysalamander]

I'd eliminate #5 (cavity inclusion), and #6 (Depth is stealing spread and performance, hearts are pretty bad). I'm on the fence with #2.

That leaves #1, #2 and #3, #4. Of these, I would rank them #3 (if you prefer 60/60, this is nice), #4 (will have more fire than #3), and #1.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Diameter is better on #4, though, so I see no reason to go for #3 with a larger table when it doesn't give a diameter advantage. That's the only reason I can ever see going for 60/60 is for increased diameter and that one doesn't have it.

 

[rockysalamander]

Diameter is better on #4, though, so I see no reason to go for #3 with a larger table when it doesn't give a diameter advantage. That's the only reason I can ever see going for 60/60 is for increased diameter and that one doesn't have it.

Agreed.

 

[butters88]

https://dna.stonehdfile.com/ViewHD.html?d=818208381

That is the video. I have contacted the jeweler to have it put on hold.

 

[butters88]

would it be worth asking for ASET or idealscope? H&A image, is that idealscope?

 

[butters88]

Purchased the H, VS1, 1.06.

Thanks everyone for your help.

 

[butters88]

so I now have the ring in my hands. It was a fairly simple transaction and for anyone in Australia I highly recommend All Diamonds in Victoria. I got the ring cheaper that I would have myself if I purchased online. I will be buying a new box for the ring, not keen on the company logo being one of the first thing she will see when I open the box.

Photos aren't the best but I am very happy with the purchase. Ring size is I 1/2 (a 4 in the US I believe).

I couldn't get the best photos but here are a couple



I also shot a quick video. Again not the best quality but you get the idea.

https://mega.nz/#!bI8HTJ5Q!mIW7KFjkjT8QU8TWMHKvvtaaVwQmXTbZdmHa5vykfMI

 

[appl3]

I can see the blue fluorescent in direct sunlight but it looks super nice in the second photo! Congrats on your ring purchase!

 

[whitewave]

It’s beautiful! Thanks for showing us and we need hand shots next.

 

[butters88]

I'm not fussed by the fluorescence, to the eye it looks very white and bright. A better trained eye might pick up the blues but I think myself and my partner will never really notice it.

Hand photos are probably a month or two away.