Tweets from a lunatic

[Matata]

Let them pay for the military it takes that the rest of the world takes advantage of. Please check with Japan and South Korea, plus the other nations in the EU first though and see if they agree to it. Since they want to be the leader then they can assume the FULL complement of what the US does around the world including the lion's share of money to NATO and the UN. Oh and move the UN headquarters to Frankfurt or Berlin. We can then put more of our dollars to work here at home for taking care of our own citizens.

We allegedly are the greatest country on earth -- allegedly have more money and power than any nation yet have crappy healthcare, education, employment opps, employment benefits etc., so if we aren't taking proper care of our citizens now, I doubt losing our #1 ranking will improve things. As far as the rest of what you said, I personally would find it a relief for another country to assume all those burdens and give us a breather.

 

[redwood66]

We allegedly are the greatest country on earth -- allegedly have more money and power than any nation yet have crappy healthcare, education, employment opps, employment benefits etc., so if we aren't taking proper care of our citizens now, I doubt losing our #1 ranking will improve things. As far as the rest of what you said, I personally would find it a relief for another country to assume all those burdens and give us a breather.

So would I.

 

[mary poppins]

What about the men who have already neutralized that part. Or are sterile? Or merely careful?

Why should they have to pay for coverage they do not need?

I have no children. Why should I have to pay taxes for other peoples' kids' education?

 

[ruby59]

I have no children. Why should I have to pay taxes for other peoples' kids' education?

Property taxes are based on property value and jurisdiction.

Would have to do some research, but if you moved into an adult only community, you probably would not have to pay it.

 

[mary poppins]

Property taxes are based on property value and jurisdiction.

Would have to do some research, but if you moved into an adult only community, you probably would not have to pay it.

Yeah, I'm far from qualifying for adult only community and even farther from senior discounts. Most places don't have tax exemption just based on age. Some have programs based on age + income qualifications.

The point, though, is community. Sometimes we pay for things that benefit the community which indirectly benefit ourselves. Everyone benefits from having a healthier society.

Also, one might not benefit from a system immediately but benefit later.

 

[ruby59]

ObamaCare does not benefit my family one bit or other hard working families like mine.

The only ones who benefit from ObamaCare are the ones not paying for it.

Society will only get healthier when everyone takes personal responsibility.

 

[Tekate]

Property taxes are based on property value and jurisdiction.

Would have to do some research, but if you moved into an adult only community, you probably would not have to pay it.

Adult communities in FL paid a reduced school tax - my parents did back in the 90s. I think in a nursing home you don't have to there. Nothing is purchased. In Texas we had school taxes and property taxes.

Taking personal responsibility? What do you mean? not sneezing? keeping one's weight down, no smoking? no drinking? I'd say working on one's weight is a great thing, I try, I lose and I gain and then I try again. Sort of like an addict

Ruby you refuse to even admit that Trumpcare was worse than Obamacare why is that? everything it would cover (and not cover) was on the table, who would pay more (oldsters) who would pay less (young people).

We have an aging population.. aside from 'personal responsibility' there is just the problems of aging.
Why do you think you deserve gold star/platinum healthcare and not pay for it?

Who benefits from Obamacare:

https://www.fool.com/investing/gene...-shows-exactly-whom-obamacare-has-helped.aspx

 

[lovedogs]

I'm just going to leave this here for anyone who is still confused about Trump and his intelligence/understanding of how policy works.

 

[ruby59]

Adult communities in FL paid a reduced school tax - my parents did back in the 90s. I think in a nursing home you don't have to there. Nothing is purchased. In Texas we had school taxes and property taxes.

Taking personal responsibility? What do you mean? not sneezing? keeping one's weight down, no smoking? no drinking? I'd say working on one's weight is a great thing, I try, I lose and I gain and then I try again. Sort of like an addict

Ruby you refuse to even admit that Trumpcare was worse than Obamacare why is that? everything it would cover (and not cover) was on the table, who would pay more (oldsters) who would pay less (young people).

We have an aging population.. aside from 'personal responsibility' there is just the problems of aging.
Why do you think you deserve gold star/platinum healthcare and not pay for it?

Who benefits from Obamacare:

https://www.fool.com/investing/gene...-shows-exactly-whom-obamacare-has-helped.aspx

Adult communities in FL paid a reduced school tax - my parents did back in the 90s. I think in a nursing home you don't have to there. Nothing is purchased. In Texas we had school taxes and property taxes.

Taking personal responsibility? What do you mean? not sneezing? keeping one's weight down, no smoking? no drinking? I'd say working on one's weight is a great thing, I try, I lose and I gain and then I try again. Sort of like an addict

Ruby you refuse to even admit that Trumpcare was worse than Obamacare why is that? everything it would cover (and not cover) was on the table, who would pay more (oldsters) who would pay less (young people).

We have an aging population.. aside from 'personal responsibility' there is just the problems of aging.
Why do you think you deserve gold star/platinum healthcare and not pay for it?

Who benefits from Obamacare:

https://www.fool.com/investing/gene...-shows-exactly-whom-obamacare-has-helped.aspx

I guess you have not been reading my posts carefully enough. I am a strong proponent in that you get what you earn. Where did I ever say I wanted gold star healthcare. Just the opposite, in fact.

I do not need a healthcare plan with all the bells and whistles. That is why I was hoping that with Trump care we would get options to pick the coverage we wanted.

Under ObamaCare the only gold star thing about it is the premium because the coverage is dog dodo.

So far this year - 3D mammogram, rhetinopothy test, neuropathy test - I have to pay out of pocket.

And yes, taking responsibility. I am not blaming those who get sick, of course. Crap happens. But it is what happens next that matters.

When I go to the endochrinologist, often times you hear other conversations. And yes, if you are diabetic and insist on eating pizza and chocolate cake, and drinking like a fish, whose fault is that?

Do you see me moaning on the fact that TrumpCare was defeated. Hardly because I agree with Red that it was no better.

But the concept of the older people who use it should pay more than the healthier younger people does not lose any validity in my book just because I am of the former group.

 

[Tekate]

Are you in Canada?

If so I believe we discussed that Canada has major drawbacks for those with chronic conditions who need to see their doctors regularly and not have to wait until it becomes a major issue.

I read what Begonia went through and that was pure torture to make that woman wait so long.

I'm in Maine. Thanks for asking though My sister in law is from Vancouver though and she's 43 and has used Canandian healthcare her whole life, while living here she uses her husbands health insurance at his company.

Canada does NOT have major drawbacks.. that is something you believe but has not been proven. Canada dos have fewer physicans (and they get paid LESS yay!), but they do have less people also.

As far as paying a lot for a little maybe you are happy with that, but many of us are not.

We work hard for what we have and expect others to do the same.

As for what we pay for at work, under my husband's old classification, we had a choice in affordable policies.

I guess you have not been reading my posts carefully enough. I am a strong proponent in that you get what you earn. Where did I ever say I wanted gold star healthcare. Just the opposite, in fact.

I got that impression because you complain about the cost and how little your AFCA insurance gave you, inference, your words sounded to me as though you wanted Trumpcare to offer more and pay less.

I do not need a healthcare plan with all the bells and whistles. That is why I was hoping that with Trump care we would get options to pick the coverage we wanted.

As far as I know, there are plans that I one can pick from in business, at least at IBM and we could pick a high deductible or a standard plan, I don't know what you mean by pick and choose? Pick and choose what?


Under ObamaCare the only gold star thing about it is the premium because the coverage is dog dodo.

So far this year - 3D mammogram, rhetinopothy test, neuropathy test - I have to pay out of pocket.

Does your plan cover 3D mammos? as far as I can tell, here in Maine, all plans have deductibles, if you chose bronze plan you may get something off the rhetinopathy and neuropathy test but you still have to pay the deductible.

And yes, taking responsibility. I am not blaming those who get sick, of course. Crap happens. But it is what happens next that matters.

okay.

When I go to the endochrinologist, often times you hear other conversations. And yes, if you are diabetic and insist on eating pizza and chocolate cake, and drinking like a fish, whose fault is that?

So are you saying that ALL diabetics eat pizza (and I didn't know that wasn't allowed as I had a diabetic pregnancy and could eat it).. All diabetics drink like fish?? Do you even know if they are on the AFCA? Medicare? Medicaid? company insurance.. hearing one or two people say they party down does not make for all diabetics partying, I think one of the problems with diagnosed adult onset diabetes is that one feels okay.

Do you see me moaning on the fact that TrumpCare was defeated. Hardly because I agree with Red that it was no better.

What I remember you saying was you were upset because now you wouldn't have 'choice'.. you weren't moaning, bemoaning maybe.

But the concept of the older people who use it should pay more than the healthier younger people am of the former does not lose any validity in my book just because I'm in that group.

I think people should pay according to their income.. and age.. it's the responsibility of the community to help the community.

 

[Matata]

These articles fill me with despair, not just because tweeter is an idiot but also because so many in this country believe, swallow, regurgitate the gibberish.

http://billmoyers.com/story/gibberish-white-houses-new-normal/
Once upon a time, there were presidents for whom English seemed their native language. Barack Obama most recently. He deliberated. At a press conference or in an interview — just about whenever he wasn’t speaking from a text — his pauses were as common as other people’s “uh’s.” He was not pausing because his vocabulary was impoverished. He was pausing to put words into sequence. He was putting phrases together with care, word by word, trying out words before uttering them, checking to feel out what they would sound like once uttered. It was important to him because he did not want to be misunderstood. President Obama valued precision, in no small part because he knew he lived in a world where every last presidential word was a speech act, a declaration with consequence, so that the very statement that the sky was blue, say, would be scoured for evidence that the president was declaring a policy on the nature of nature.

That was then. Now we have a president who, when he speaks, spatters the air with unfinished chunks, many of which do not qualify as sentences, and which do not follow from previous chunks. He does not release words into a stream of consciousness but into a heap. He heaps words on top of words, to overwhelm meaning with vague gestures. He does not think, he lurches.

Here are some examples from TIME’s transcript of their cover story made out of their phone interview with the president of the United States. I have italicized the non sequiturs, incomplete propositions, indefinite pronouns and other obscurities that amount to verbal mud.

Scherer: So you don’t feel like Comey’s testimony in any way takes away from the credibility of the tweets you put out, even with the quotes?

Trump: No, I have, look. I have articles saying it happened. But you have to take a look at what they, they just went out at a news conference.

Scherer: Mitch McConnell has said he’d rather you stop tweeting, that he sees it as a distraction.

Trump: Mitch will speak for himself. Mitch is a wonderful man. Mitch should speak for himself.

Trump: Now the problem, the thing is, I’m not sure they are watching anything other than that, let’s see members of Donald Trump transition team, possibly, oh this just came out.

Trump: I took a lot of heat when I said Brexit was going to pass. Don’t forget, Obama said that UK will go to the back of the line, and I talked about Sweden, and may have been somewhat different, but the following day, two days later, they had a massive riot in Sweden, exactly what I was talking about, I was right about that.

Trump: And then TIME magazine, which treats me horribly, but obviously I sell, I assume this is going to be a cover too, have I set the record? I guess, right? Covers, nobody’s had more covers.

Trump: But the real story here is, who released Gen. Flynn’s name? Who released, who released my conversations with Australia, and who released my conversation with Mexico? To me, Michael, that’s the story, these leakers, they are disgusting. These are horrible people.

Scherer: And apparently there is an investigation into that as well.

Trump: Well should be, because that’s where the whole, who would think that you are speaking to the head of Mexico, the head of Australia, or Gen. Flynn, who was, they are not supposed to release that. That is the most confidential stuff. Classified. That’s classified. You go to prison when you release stuff like that. And who would release that? The real story is, they have to work, intelligence has to work on finding out who are the leakers. Because you know what? When things get involved with North Korea and all the problems we have there, in the Middle East, I mean, that information cannot be leaked out, and it will be by this, this same, and these people were here in the Obama years, because he had plenty of leakers also.

Trump: I inherited a mess in the Middle East, and a mess with North Korea, I inherited a mess with jobs, despite the statistics, you know, my statistics are even better, but they are not the real statistics because you have millions of people that can’t get a job, OK. And I inherited a mess on trade. I mean we have many, you can go up and down the ladder. But that’s the story. Hey look, in the meantime, I guess, I can’t be doing so badly, because I’m president, and you’re not. You know. Say hello to everybody, OK?

So it goes.

Now, TIME’s cover headline for this mishmash is pointed as well as clever: “Is Truth Dead?” — clever, at any rate, in the eyes of readers old enough to remember the 1966 prototype: “Is God Dead?” A still more pointed treatment is that of Ellie Shechet at the feminist website Jezebel — a redaction, or what be called reporting by subtraction. In the words of headline, “We Redacted Everything That’s Not a Verifiably True Statement From Trump’s Time Interview About Truth.” Unsurprisingly, Jezebel ended up having to edit the transcript so that the passages blacked out were lengthier than the words left in.

But the problem is not just that Trump lies, or that he lies about having lied. The problem is not just that he distracts — for example, changing the subject from his entanglements with Russians to the leakers who leak stories about his entanglements with Russians. The problem is that he insinuates more than he argues. He disdains not only evidence but logic. He asserts by indirection. This is bubble-think. It makes a sort of sense only if you’re trapped in the bubble with him.

What explains this? Is Donald Trump the heir of generations of avant-garde poetry?
Probably not. What’s more likely is that he is deranged. It is a peculiar sort of derangement. It is the derangement of a man who is used to getting what he wants, and arranging his mental universe so as to convince himself that what he has gotten is what he wanted. His operating theory is that he makes things so because he is powerful. His power is such that he is not subject to laws of ordinary grammar.

These bursts of speech are like the announcements that shriek “TRUMP” from the walls of many of his hotels. They do not signify ownership. They signify…something. Whatever. They add up to a haze of indefinite implication. They constitute, in our contemporary discourse, a brand. They signify that Trump has something to do with this building. Something. If you’re privy to the code, you know that there’s a licensing arrangement. Trump has been paid to grant the use of his name. If you think it’s a good thing to be associated with his name, then he has some water, some steaks, some vodka — even a “university” — to offer you.

Trump has moved the sign system of modern capitalism toward a whole new capitalist art form — the free-floating name that describes nothing. Trump has peeled language away from meaning.

He has brought to fruition the title of the 1984 Talking Heads album: Stop Making Sense. His regime is a nonstop exercise of “Let’s Pretend.”

His con game requires the bending of millions of knees. Americans are invited to willingly suspend disbelief, play dumb and collude in his cynicism. We agree not to notice the nonstop gibberish that spreads from the Oval Office outward. We agree to brag about our democracy when the president of the United States is responsible neither to logic, nor to evidence, nor to the American people, nor to the English language. We are expected to live in an alternative universe which is not only post-truth but altogether post-language and post-meaning. Any journalist, any talking head, any pundit, any commentator, any politician who pretends that Donald Trump makes sense has volunteered to go to work in the tailor shop where his invisible clothes are weaved.

 

[soxfan]

These articles fill me with despair, not just because tweeter is an idiot but also because so many in this country believe, swallow, regurgitate the gibberish.

http://billmoyers.com/story/gibberish-white-houses-new-normal/
Once upon a time, there were presidents for whom English seemed their native language. Barack Obama most recently. He deliberated. At a press conference or in an interview — just about whenever he wasn’t speaking from a text — his pauses were as common as other people’s “uh’s.” He was not pausing because his vocabulary was impoverished. He was pausing to put words into sequence. He was putting phrases together with care, word by word, trying out words before uttering them, checking to feel out what they would sound like once uttered. It was important to him because he did not want to be misunderstood. President Obama valued precision, in no small part because he knew he lived in a world where every last presidential word was a speech act, a declaration with consequence, so that the very statement that the sky was blue, say, would be scoured for evidence that the president was declaring a policy on the nature of nature.

That was then. Now we have a president who, when he speaks, spatters the air with unfinished chunks, many of which do not qualify as sentences, and which do not follow from previous chunks. He does not release words into a stream of consciousness but into a heap. He heaps words on top of words, to overwhelm meaning with vague gestures. He does not think, he lurches.

Here are some examples from TIME’s transcript of their cover story made out of their phone interview with the president of the United States. I have italicized the non sequiturs, incomplete propositions, indefinite pronouns and other obscurities that amount to verbal mud.

Scherer: So you don’t feel like Comey’s testimony in any way takes away from the credibility of the tweets you put out, even with the quotes?

Trump: No, I have, look. I have articles saying it happened. But you have to take a look at what they, they just went out at a news conference.

Scherer: Mitch McConnell has said he’d rather you stop tweeting, that he sees it as a distraction.

Trump: Mitch will speak for himself. Mitch is a wonderful man. Mitch should speak for himself.

Trump: Now the problem, the thing is, I’m not sure they are watching anything other than that, let’s see members of Donald Trump transition team, possibly, oh this just came out.

Trump: I took a lot of heat when I said Brexit was going to pass. Don’t forget, Obama said that UK will go to the back of the line, and I talked about Sweden, and may have been somewhat different, but the following day, two days later, they had a massive riot in Sweden, exactly what I was talking about, I was right about that.

Trump: And then TIME magazine, which treats me horribly, but obviously I sell, I assume this is going to be a cover too, have I set the record? I guess, right? Covers, nobody’s had more covers.

Trump: But the real story here is, who released Gen. Flynn’s name? Who released, who released my conversations with Australia, and who released my conversation with Mexico? To me, Michael, that’s the story, these leakers, they are disgusting. These are horrible people.

Scherer: And apparently there is an investigation into that as well.

Trump: Well should be, because that’s where the whole, who would think that you are speaking to the head of Mexico, the head of Australia, or Gen. Flynn, who was, they are not supposed to release that. That is the most confidential stuff. Classified. That’s classified. You go to prison when you release stuff like that. And who would release that? The real story is, they have to work, intelligence has to work on finding out who are the leakers. Because you know what? When things get involved with North Korea and all the problems we have there, in the Middle East, I mean, that information cannot be leaked out, and it will be by this, this same, and these people were here in the Obama years, because he had plenty of leakers also.

Trump: I inherited a mess in the Middle East, and a mess with North Korea, I inherited a mess with jobs, despite the statistics, you know, my statistics are even better, but they are not the real statistics because you have millions of people that can’t get a job, OK. And I inherited a mess on trade. I mean we have many, you can go up and down the ladder. But that’s the story. Hey look, in the meantime, I guess, I can’t be doing so badly, because I’m president, and you’re not. You know. Say hello to everybody, OK?

So it goes.

Now, TIME’s cover headline for this mishmash is pointed as well as clever: “Is Truth Dead?” — clever, at any rate, in the eyes of readers old enough to remember the 1966 prototype: “Is God Dead?” A still more pointed treatment is that of Ellie Shechet at the feminist website Jezebel — a redaction, or what be called reporting by subtraction. In the words of headline, “We Redacted Everything That’s Not a Verifiably True Statement From Trump’s Time Interview About Truth.” Unsurprisingly, Jezebel ended up having to edit the transcript so that the passages blacked out were lengthier than the words left in.

But the problem is not just that Trump lies, or that he lies about having lied. The problem is not just that he distracts — for example, changing the subject from his entanglements with Russians to the leakers who leak stories about his entanglements with Russians. The problem is that he insinuates more than he argues. He disdains not only evidence but logic. He asserts by indirection. This is bubble-think. It makes a sort of sense only if you’re trapped in the bubble with him.

What explains this? Is Donald Trump the heir of generations of avant-garde poetry?
Probably not. What’s more likely is that he is deranged. It is a peculiar sort of derangement. It is the derangement of a man who is used to getting what he wants, and arranging his mental universe so as to convince himself that what he has gotten is what he wanted. His operating theory is that he makes things so because he is powerful. His power is such that he is not subject to laws of ordinary grammar.

These bursts of speech are like the announcements that shriek “TRUMP” from the walls of many of his hotels. They do not signify ownership. They signify…something. Whatever. They add up to a haze of indefinite implication. They constitute, in our contemporary discourse, a brand. They signify that Trump has something to do with this building. Something. If you’re privy to the code, you know that there’s a licensing arrangement. Trump has been paid to grant the use of his name. If you think it’s a good thing to be associated with his name, then he has some water, some steaks, some vodka — even a “university” — to offer you.

Trump has moved the sign system of modern capitalism toward a whole new capitalist art form — the free-floating name that describes nothing. Trump has peeled language away from meaning.

He has brought to fruition the title of the 1984 Talking Heads album: Stop Making Sense. His regime is a nonstop exercise of “Let’s Pretend.”

His con game requires the bending of millions of knees. Americans are invited to willingly suspend disbelief, play dumb and collude in his cynicism. We agree not to notice the nonstop gibberish that spreads from the Oval Office outward. We agree to brag about our democracy when the president of the United States is responsible neither to logic, nor to evidence, nor to the American people, nor to the English language. We are expected to live in an alternative universe which is not only post-truth but altogether post-language and post-meaning. Any journalist, any talking head, any pundit, any commentator, any politician who pretends that Donald Trump makes sense has volunteered to go to work in the tailor shop where his invisible clothes are weaved.

He's a bumbling moron. How ANYONE can think he's good for this country is beyond me. I hope he's impeached soon.

 

[ruby59]

I'm in Maine. Thanks for asking though My sister in law is from Vancouver though and she's 43 and has used Canandian healthcare her whole life, while living here she uses her husbands health insurance at his company.

Canada does NOT have major drawbacks.. that is something you believe but has not been proven. Canada dos have fewer physicans (and they get paid LESS yay!), but they do have less people also.

I am just going by what people from Canada have reported - long waits until they can see a doctor.

Did you read what Begonia went through. Also there was another woman who thought she had pancreatic cancer.

I believe I asked this question a while back if pricescopers from other countries could chime in about their healthcare. I will have to try and find it.

If I remember correctly we heard from Australia (Arkie and Jody) and several from Canada and maybe some Europeans as well.

And nothing I saw impressed me as a model of what the US should do - unless you are from a very small country where it is feasible.

 

[lovedogs]

He's a bumbling moron. How ANYONE can think he's good for this country is beyond me. I hope he's impeached soon.

At this point the only people who do are either in denial (because they are upset they voted for someone who is so awful), or are happy he's doing all the xenophobic and/or racist stuff he promised. Prior to him taking office I could (kind of) understand some people wanting a 'non politician' who promised to bring jobs back. But now that he's shown himself to be so horrific they no longer have that excuse.

And I also hope he's impeached. Seems doubtful, but the more we hear about the Russia stuff the more hopeful I become.

 

[ruby59]

At this point the only people who do are either in denial (because they are upset they voted for someone who is so awful), or are happy he's doing all the xenophobic and/or racist stuff he promised. Prior to him taking office I could (kind of) understand some people wanting a 'non politician' who promised to bring jobs back. But now that he's shown himself to be so horrific they no longer have that excuse.

And I also hope he's impeached. Seems doubtful, but the more we hear about the Russia stuff the more hopeful I become.

So there is no 3rd option in your mind to explain why people voted for and still support him?

How narrow minded of you.

 

[lovedogs]

So there is no 3rd option in your mind to explain why people voted for and still support him?

How narrow minded of you.

Nope, there isn't. Would you care to attempt to give me one? I'm all ears. He has done nothing but attempt (and fail) to do terrible things for the US since he got elected. That and spend tons of taxpayer money on his weekend vacations at pay-to-play land.

 

[mary poppins]

Nope, there isn't. Would you care to attempt to give me one? I'm all ears. He has done nothing but attempt (and fail) to do terrible things for the US since he got elected. That and spend tons of taxpayer money on his weekend vacations at pay-to-play land.

Here's a helpful list, lovedogs. http://whytrumpisgreat.com/

 

[Dee*Jay]

Here's a helpful list, lovedogs. http://whytrumpisgreat.com/

HA!!!!! I clicked on this link thinking What On Earth Could Be On Here?

 

[ruby59]

Saw it posted here already.

I guess no new news so the SF have to resort to repeats.

 

[lovedogs]

Here's a helpful list, lovedogs. http://whytrumpisgreat.com/

Excellent--I hadn't seen that yet!

 

[Tekate]

I am just going by what people from Canada have reported - long waits until they can see a doctor.

Did you read what Begonia went through. Also there was another woman who thought she had pancreatic cancer.

I believe I asked this question a while back if pricescopers from other countries could chime in about their healthcare. I will have to try and find it.

If I remember correctly we heard from Australia (Arkie and Jody) and several from Canada and maybe some Europeans as well.

And nothing I saw impressed me as a model of what the US should do - unless you are from a very small country where it is feasible.

Maybe they will chime in again, but my memory is that most people liked their single payer system.

http://www.pnhp.org/facts/singlepayer_myths_singlepayer_facts.php

The above is an American group btw.

Nothing is perfect, but I will say that it's a relief to most people that they don't have to worry about having a HSA - they already pay thru their taxes All people will get treatment, although it is true that it isn't always as quickly as America's, although people without health insurance in America get treated pretty poorly.

I don't remember anyone from any countries you mentioned saying they would prefer the American system.

 

[lovedogs]

Maybe they will chime in again, but my memory is that most people liked their single payer system.

http://www.pnhp.org/facts/singlepayer_myths_singlepayer_facts.php

The above is an American group btw.

Nothing is perfect, but I will say that it's a relief to most people that they don't have to worry about having a HSA - they already pay thru their taxes All people will get treatment, although it is true that it isn't always as quickly as America's, although people without health insurance in America get treated pretty poorly.

I don't remember anyone from any countries you mentioned saying they would prefer the American system.

single payer systems are almost universally regarded as better and more effective. I also don't remember anyone from that thread saying they would prefer the US system. I remember people wondering if a single payer system would be feasible in the US, but certainly dont think anyone from a single payer system would want HSA.

 

[ruby59]

Maybe they will chime in again, but my memory is that most people liked their single payer system.

http://www.pnhp.org/facts/singlepayer_myths_singlepayer_facts.php

The above is an American group btw.

Nothing is perfect, but I will say that it's a relief to most people that they don't have to worry about having a HSA - they already pay thru their taxes All people will get treatment, although it is true that it isn't always as quickly as America's, although people without health insurance in America get treated pretty poorly.

I don't remember anyone from any countries you mentioned saying they would prefer the American system.

From what I remember some said they pay high taxes to get into the one payer system. But if they want to be seen more quickly then they pay on their own.

Very few of us could afford that.

And with my old policy I received very high quality service from doctors that I took my due diligence to check out before hand.

Then ObamaCare lied and I had to leave those doctors and find ones in my network.

People without health insurance can go into the emergency rooms and be treated same as everyone else. Alot better then those who pay for it and are stuck with crappy doctors.

 

[ruby59]

All ObamaCare did was give everyone crappy insurance unless you are the very rich and can pay for an expensive policy.

Poor people do not pay for it so it is better than nothing.

Middle class pay through the nose for crappy coverage.

How is this a good idea?

 

[lovedogs]

Here's one thread in which it was discussed and people from single payer systems chimed in:

https://www.pricescope.com/communit...-will-happen-to-millions-of-americans.227982/


Ruby: you've attempted to argue against single payer for the US before, and been corrected by those who are actually in a single payer system. So I think it's really absurd for you to continue to be staunchly against single payer when you have absolutely no idea how it would affect you and people on it have told you the benefits. Your continuing to "forget" all of the things people have recently explained so you can continue complaining is tiresome.

Here are some quotes of a convo between you and Jordy.

Jordy:
No not at all, you can opt for private health insurance and get that tax back. The bonus of that is the health insurance covers non-essential stuff like dental and other elective procedures. It costs a bit more than the tax would but I have not opted for it as I am not worried about crooked teeth or plastic surgery.

1. Like I said any major illness, sickness etc is covered by what I am taxed and that's no issue with me. And if your injury/illness is serious enough then it gets seen to immediately by hospitals
   
   Your (Ruby) reply:
   Thank you , Jordy.
2. 
   Does everyone pay the same tax or is it based on income?
   
   Is it manageable for the average family?
   
   And to be clear, once you pay that tax, all doctor visits are free?
   
   What about hospitals? If you need surgery?
   
   Jordy's reply:
   1. Based on earnings, more you earn the more you pay (that's for all tax, not just what goes to healthcare)
   
   2. Yes, $500 per year is what I pay and I do not even miss it knowing what I am covered for.
   
   3. Yes, all doctor visits are free
   
   4. Free surgery if it is critical. I had a bit of pig's tusk get jammed in my leg once during a hunting trip. All it cost me was the taxi fare home from the hospital and the 6 pack of beers for painkillers

Another quote from someone from AUS:

Hi from an Aussie.
Our Govt Medicare costs people who earn income, 2% a year. Otherwise it is free. Emergencies in hospitals are free, general doctors visits are usually free but prescriptions aren't free. Things like dental, optical, physio and specialists (outside a hospital settings) aren't free. So most people have private health insurance as well. That is about $600 a month for a family. There is a tax rebate for lower income earners. Pensioners, unemployed, invalids are able to access the "not free" services but they might have to wait for an appointment or not have much choice. They can get their decayed teeth fixed or a set of false teeth or jaw surgery if they have no money but you cant get things like braces for free. They get cheaper prescriptions or free prescriptions but not every drug is on that list.
An example, I broke my foot really badly. I went to the hospital. I had numerous x rays, pain meds and a hospital stay for 3 days, all free. I was sent home with a cast to come back in a week to re check. They were of the opinion it would heal just with plaster for 6 weeks. Meanwhile my mother says, "you need a second opinion", so that's a private specialist orthopaedic. I went and saw him, he saw my x rays etc and said "yes, there's an 80% chance it will heal ok with just plaster, but for a 97% chance of an excellent outcome, you need surgery". So that's a private doctor in a private hospital. Not free. I have private health insurance too but this guy is "the guru doctor" and he charges big $$$$. So, all my private hospital stay was covered by my private health insurance but I was still $5,000 out of pocket on the surgeon costs. My private health insurance covered my physio costs and the x rays etc were free. The blood thinners, the pain meds were like $18 a script. I had a perfect recovery result. I may not have had this result through the free hospital system.
My father has melanoma. He has had the best doctors, the best medications and treatments, pet scans MRIs everything - all free.
My mother had breast cancer. Again all surgery, treatments, medications, support etc - all free.
My breast scans are free, my Pap smears are free, my blood tests are free but my private thyroid specialist of my choice, isn't free, she costs $275 a visit, I am out of pocket about $100 a visit. I can make an appointment and see her in a fortnight. If I was poor, a GP would handle me, for free, or send me to a hospital again free, but I might have to wait 6 months for an appointment and I can't choose my doctor. If it's not "life threatening" the free system means you have to wait your turn. Private doctors mean you can choose not to wait or choose a particular doctor, but you pay for this yourself.
So, no one here dies untreated or unhelped or goes bankrupt just because they got sick. True, our free system doesn't include every treatment and every drug, it can't, but mostly you get the what you need when you need it.
So yes, come to Australia.

 

[lovedogs]

More quotes from that thread. From Rhea who lives in the UK:

I live in the UK.

I waited about 18 months for a surgery. I had fibroids and their growth was causing pressure symptoms and starting to cause incontinence toward the end of my wait. It was not a medical emergency so I was pushed behind medical emergencies. Non-life threatening surgery is considered cosmetic and while it was a huge pain, there were no serious or lasting problems it was causing. If I'd wanted quicker surgery I could have gone private. I didn't think I could afford to (I was wrong) so I didn't. I used the NHS, a tax-payer paid for system which benefits everyone, not just the rich.

A friend also had fibroids and her tests and treatments started the same way mine did. Shortly after the start of these tests the doctors found an abnormality. She was in surgery, having the same operation I had, within 2 days, not the 18 month wait I had. Hers was an emergency.

It's anecdotal but that's how the UK system works. You need it, you get it quickly. If it improves your life, but is not life saving, you wait behind those whose lives are being saved. Same goes for seeing a GP or specialist or going to A&E (ER). I've both received within the hour appointments and waited 3 weeks to see my doctor (not A doctor, but MY doctor) depending on the nature of my requirements.

Yes, the US is a large country, but there's no reason it couldn't work. A significant number of developed countries have their medical care organised this way. It's not 100%. It's not without fail. It's not without it's problems. But "a high tide raises all boats"

 

[lovedogs]

We have more delusional tweets from SCROTUS. HOW SHOCKING.

From top to bottom:LOOLLLLL, he sounds like a 5 year old. THEY WILL COME BACK, JUST WAIT!

The second one is similarly bitter and hilarious.

And finally, the truly amazing conspiracy theories about HRC begin. Because all Trump can do to distract from Russia is to scream about HRC.

 

[ruby59]

More quotes from that thread. From Rhea who lives in the UK:

Rhea is just proving my point, LoveDogs.

Hers wasn't an emergency so she had to wait.

The whole idea behind a chronic condition is to be seen before it becomes an emergency, not wait until it becomes one.

 

[Matata]

 

[ruby59]

What emails? I thought Hillary said they did not exist.