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If so, isn't it even more important for other countries to take the high road by using cleaner energy?
You should go to China and India to talk some sense into those 2+ billion people. Meanwhile we need to come up with $90 trillion for AOC's "green new deal" ... :rolleyes:
 

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What a truly ignorant and pathetic thing to say. It sickens me that anyone with no credentials on this subject matter at all would have the audacity to refer to highly educated, respected people as "so-called scientists." I don't know if you truly believe this or are just trolling as usual; either way it's one of the dumbest things you've ever posted (and that's saying a lot.)
I might be dumb, but I ain't dumb enough to believe human beings can change mother nature.
 

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you know if global warming is such an emergency lets tear down all the big cities and plant trees and build tree house.

On a more serious note, I saw a suv with all kinds of stickers on it including one about fighting global warming.
Hmmm you could start by recycling that suv.

The funniest one I have seen was: fight global warming: put tape over your mouth.
 

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The funniest one I have seen was: fight global warming: put tape over your mouth.
Stormy, And no more farting from you! ..:lol:
 

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@Karl_K I get that your exaggerations were intended to convey that only hysterical morons believe global warming is a problem. If you’re not too busy angrily ridiculing those people and the 97% of the scientific community who share their concerns, here’s what scientists actually propose as solutions.

  • Use energy far more efficiently and apply strong carbon taxes to cut fossil fuel use
  • Stabilise global population – currently growing by 200,000 people a day – using ethical approaches such as longer education for girls
  • End the destruction of nature and restore forests and mangroves to absorb CO2
  • Eat mostly plants and less meat, and reduce food waste
  • Shift economic goals away from GDP growth
 

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apply strong carbon taxes
yep, it is all about the money.
Carbon taxes are an outright fraud on the people.
 

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@Karl_K I get that your exaggerations were intended to convey that only hysterical morons believe global warming is a problem.
Naw, as DF got it was a joke.

Climate changes, either adapt or die the earth will be fine either way, it has been much much colder and much much warmer in the past and will be in the future.
Right where im sitting right now has been under an ocean and under tons of ice. It has been a high point in a swamp and it has been dry.
Who says that the current climate is the ideal for the earth and the norm?

If someone looks into climate history then expects the climate to stay the same then they are morons but no most of the people caught up in the hype are not morons.
 

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The last time CO2 was this high was before man.


some reasons why. now if you can equate what may have caused the incraease in CO2 and heat tell me I am all ears. What happened thousands of years ago is not what s happening today, our planet does not look the same as it did then, tectonic plate activity for one.

Below is a GREAT Live Science article on what could have caused the heating up of our eath thousands of years ago.


I personally think it may have been a comet, but I am not sure.



So, According your theories the periods before discovery of using coal and oil as the main resources of energy there were no climate change, right?
 

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Says you, you who would keep all and any of your money for yourself, like a Midas.



yep, it is all about the money.
Carbon taxes are an outright fraud on the people.
 

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that's opinion. no proof eh? not surprising.


For what purpose? ...For the purpose of beating Trump, b/c the D party have zero talking points to run on.
 

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So there was climate change when the HUGE meteorite hit outside of Mexico got pretty hot, dinosaurs died out or got smaller, have we had a HUGE Meteor hit the earth that I missed? Cause and effect. What is the cause of this Heating and CO2 on the planet and how can we change it before we lose FL, NYC New Orleans etc. Oh unless the hand of god flipped the switch and it is my esteemed opinion that God DID take the last train for the coast years ago.


So, According your theories the periods before discovery of using coal and oil as the main resources of energy there were no climate change, right?
 

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Well well, let's start simple.. Let's all drive electric cars and no crap about the batteries, let's heat our homes with solar energy, give breaks (taxes those dreaded horrid taxes).. that encourage people to use the sun, it would be a quieter LA or NYC with electric cars and yes I plan to get one next year. Vote Trump out so the EPA can be restored not destroyed.



Electric cars, solar powered cars, I'm okay with it, our government should be INCREASING its contribution to a cleaner usa and planet, not encouraging the Koch's to continue to pollute.

you know if global warming is such an emergency lets tear down all the big cities and plant trees and build tree house.

On a more serious note, I saw a suv with all kinds of stickers on it including one about fighting global warming.
Hmmm you could start by recycling that suv.

The funniest one I have seen was: fight global warming: put tape over your mouth.
 

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“We are forced to fall back on fatalism as an explanation of irrational events (that is to say, events the reasonableness of which we do not understand).”
― Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace




Naw, as DF got it was a joke.

Climate changes, either adapt or die the earth will be fine either way, it has been much much colder and much much warmer in the past and will be in the future.
Right where im sitting right now has been under an ocean and under tons of ice. It has been a high point in a swamp and it has been dry.
Who says that the current climate is the ideal for the earth and the norm?

If someone looks into climate history then expects the climate to stay the same then they are morons but no most of the people caught up in the hype are not morons.
 

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The 97% claim appears to be extremely shaky:


Is the situation you describe not comparable to if/when a river diverts course and floods a new area of land but leaves the original route as dry riverbed?

Or a beaver dams a river?

Or a forest fire following a lightning storm burns hundreds of acres of trees and bush to the ground?

Or coastal erosion removes a large chunk of the coastline?



We must also consider that there are plenty of re-wilding and re-forestation programmes that have taken place historically and in the present, many areas are more densely populated with trees and grasses than since historic times, and that increased CO2 in the atmosphere (when combined with a warmer and wetter environment, however caused) enhances the conditions required for flora growth and therefore increases growth rates, variety of fauna (a marked increase in mushroom varieties and growth noted in the UK at the present, for example), and carbon sequestration.


You do realize that you are quoting a fringer internet site, right? And no if you fill in a lake somewhere, a lake doesn't magically appear somewhere else (though there may be more general flooding if there is no where for the water to go. same thing if you build a building. Doesn't mean that forest appears somewhere else. There IS scientific consensus on what is happening climatically. It is at the point that scientists are not just doing the science but coming out to politically agitate that SOMETHING must be done. This is the most serious threat to our planet. I KNOW it is scary, and it sucks because we will have to change business as usual. Everyone will have to adapt. But sticking our head in the sand and saying nah nah nah I don't want to believe it, doesn't do squat. Both private mega corporations as well as our own defense departments are creating white papers and plans to deal with the climate change and all its various environmental, social, and civil repercussions. I just sincerely wish those who think what is currently going on in the climate is within the range of "normal", just please read the report. Yes our climate is changing. But it's not just that it is changing. But the magnitude of the change and how fast it is changing. We, us humans, due to the combination of environmental degradation, and the release of sequested C02 and other gases which took millions of years to be sequestered, is causing an extinction rate of species far above the normal background rate. https://www.biologicaldiversity.org...y/elements_of_biodiversity/extinction_crisis/. https://www.globalchange.gov/agency/department-defense
 
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I think this is an interesting article. This is a local meterologist who was a climate change skeptic, and changed his views. He got A LOT of blowback from conservatives for this, personally attacked and even boycotted. Which indicates for conservatives this is not a scientific disagreement. It's an ideological and/or religious one. Science isn't decided by ideology, it is blind in that respect. Natural selection happens regardless if you "believe" in it or not.
 

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yep, it is all about the money.
Carbon taxes are an outright fraud on the people.
This goes back to my previous post about the implausibility of a global conspiracy.

Naw, as DF got it was a joke.

Climate changes, either adapt or die the earth will be fine either way, it has been much much colder and much much warmer in the past and will be in the future.
Right where im sitting right now has been under an ocean and under tons of ice. It has been a high point in a swamp and it has been dry.
Who says that the current climate is the ideal for the earth and the norm?

If someone looks into climate history then expects the climate to stay the same then they are morons but no most of the people caught up in the hype are not morons.
This is a classic straw man argument.
 

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Yes I believe in climate change. There will always be cooler temperature and warmer temperature than normal somewhere on earth.
 

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I’m sure technology is the answer, but where’s the evidence your government is actually encouraging development and use of it? I’d really love to know when the message appears to be “Trump Digs Coal”.
 

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Naw, as DF got it was a joke.

Climate changes, either adapt or die the earth will be fine either way, it has been much much colder and much much warmer in the past and will be in the future.
Right where im sitting right now has been under an ocean and under tons of ice. It has been a high point in a swamp and it has been dry.
Who says that the current climate is the ideal for the earth and the norm?

If someone looks into climate history then expects the climate to stay the same then they are morons but no most of the people caught up in the hype are not morons.

The earth may be fine, but life on earth may not. We are already losing coral due to rising global ocean temperatures. When coral dies, so does the entire ecosystem that lives in, around, and off of the coral. We are losing species at an exponential rate - on land and in the oceans. What is most concerning is that insects (including pollinators) are failing faster than any other category - with some entomologists theorizing that at this rate this may cause a global starvation within our lifetimes given that without pollinators the bulk of our food supply would become nonexistent. Pollution is already so bad in some parts of the planet (many parts of China, Mexico City, Los Angeles, parts of India) that people are dying of respiratory diseases and cancer at unprecedented rates. The earth may simply need to wipe out humanity and re-set over the course of millions of years - but that wouldn't be great news for us. People who aren't scientists have no idea how rare it is to find consensus among the scientific community. That this is a consensus is terrifying. Sadly, the US is the #2 polluter in the world. If you don't do something, the rest of us combined don't have a chance.
 

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Pollution is already so bad in some parts of the planet (many parts of China, Mexico City, Los Angeles, parts of India) that people are dying of respiratory diseases and cancer at unprecedented rates.
Which has nothing to do with global warming and everything to do with local pollution.
Being anti-global warming hysteria does not mean someone does not care about the environment.
But transferring more wealth to the 1%ers with frauds like carbon credits...well just stick it.
Giving our many away .. same answer.

If the liberals are so green why arent the liberal states blanketed with windmills and solar panels? oh not in your backyard..
 

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Pollution is not just local and you know it.

Wind power is coming, Amazon is a huge proponent.

Anti global warming does make you not care about the environment because we do not live in a bubble.

1%ers? talk to trump and taxes meh.


Which has nothing to do with global warming and everything to do with local pollution.
Being anti-global warming hysteria does not mean someone does not care about the environment.
But transferring more wealth to the 1%ers with frauds like carbon credits...well just stick it.
Giving our many away .. same answer.

If the liberals are so green why arent the liberal states blanketed with windmills and solar panels? oh not in your backyard..
 

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Pollution is not just local and you know it.
The examples you gave are local.
The answer is simple tear em down and plant trees.
Problem solved.
 

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The earth may simply need to wipe out humanity and re-set over the course of millions of years
Every human being on earth should kill themself.
Problem solve.
 

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Every human being on earth should kill themself.
Problem solve.

Actually you're right.

After choosing to not have kids, suicide is the greenest choice a person can make - especially for an American since we are nearly the worsts, if not the worst, consumers/polluters on the planet.
 

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Actually you're right.

After choosing to not have kids, suicide is the greenest choice a person can make - especially for an American since we are nearly the worsts, if not the worst, consumers/polluters on the planet.
:hand: Before you do that please send me your Octavia...:dance:
 

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Aw man.
I thought you loved me because I was so handsome, suave and debonaire. :cry:
But I love your Octavia more than I love you...:silenced:
 
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