| Author | Topic: I need some help concerning an Emerald cut diamond. |
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Shainie415 rough rock Posts: 5 |
I'm looking to buy an emerald cut diamond but im so confused as to what is considered a good quality diamond. I recently got an offer for the following: Carat: 1.71 Color: I Clarity: VVS for the price of $7780 I don't know about the girdle or table. What is considered good quality with that stuff? I know that I do not want a square shape but rather long and skinny-rectangular. Also, if I care a lot about shine and how it "glitters" is I color too low? What matters more, clarity or color? I'm just confused-please enlighten me! Thanks. |
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leonid Moderator Posts: 707 |
Shainie415,
quote: If the stone is as represented the price sounds quite good. Does the stone have a grading report? What is the clarity - VVS1 or VVS2?
quote: For guidance on the Emerald cut grades use AGA charts: www.gemappraisers.com/chrt3.htm
quote: I color is not too low and it won't affect how the diamond glitters.
quote: It is a matter of personal taste. However, you won't see any inclusions with the naked eye if you go down with clarity to VS1/2 while can save some money and improve color or size. |
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Emrldforher rough rock Posts: 12 |
Shainie, Glad to see another emerald cut fan! Definitely check out the link Leonid posted for you. A couple of other thoughts. If you like the "long and skinny" look of an emerald cut, remember that they come in a variety of length to width ratios. This factor is personal preference even moreso than any other quality (ie. color, clarity). It sounds like you may want an emerald cut with a ratio of 1.5 or even greater for the "long and skinny" look. As to your I color question, remember that with the emerald cut, color may be more noticeable than in a round. An I color may be fine, but if you want a stone that "faces up" colorless, make sure you look at the diamond in a variety of lighting conditions and compare different colors next to each other to see if you can see the difference. As for clarity, keep in mind that the large table facet of the emerald cut may make it easier to see inclusions, especially inclusions under the table, than it is in rounds. Particularly, in your case you are looking at a pretty large diamond. As Leonid said, you MAY be able to go to VS1 or 2 in clarity and have an eye-clean stone. However, even a VS stone MAY not be eye-clean, especially in the larger emerald cuts. Bottom line, make sure you spend time comparing diamonds and determine what qualities are important to you. Just so you know, I'm just a consumer, but I also purchased an emerald cut for my wife and have been researching diamonds over the past year/year and a half. If I can help anymore, let me know! E |
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leonid Moderator Posts: 707 |
Hi Emrldforher! Thanks for hanging around your post!I'm glad that I didn't suggest SI1 Shainie415, Emrldforher spent a lot of time learning and looking for the Emerald for Her. He is the real expert now. Each time I see a question about emerald shape I wish he'd be around |
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Shainie415 rough rock Posts: 5 |
I dont know what you meant by this: <but if you want a stone that "faces up" colorless> |
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Emrldforher rough rock Posts: 12 |
Shainie, I think I understand what you are saying. Here's the thing. The color grade of the diamond indicates how white or colorless the diamond will look. The "lower" (ie. J, K, L) color grades will look progressively more "yellow" than colorless. When you are referring to "glittery", you are referring to scintillation and/or fire (dispersion). These factors are influenced MUCH more by the quality of the cut than the color grade. A well-cut I color diamond will be more "glittery" than a poorly cut D color diamond. As a final note, you probably know this but realize that emerald cuts will not in general be as "glittery" as round brilliants. That's not to say that well-cut emeralds don't sparkle, but people like them more for their classy elegant appearance. If having a lot of glitter is important and you definitely want an emerald cut, in my opinion you will really want to focus on the cut (see again the link leonid provided you for some guidelines on cut quality). Hope that helps. E |
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StevL cut rock Posts: 134 |
Just wanted to add a few cents in here. A emerald cut can go as low as SI1 and not have imperfections that can be seen with your naked eye. You must look at the SI1 stones closely, but you can find them. Just fyi here is a 2.01 carat, H color, SI1 emerald cut(w/GIA Report) that has a 1.3:1 ratio. This diamond is one of those eye clean SI1s. This one I'm making a setting with 2 baguttes on each side going long way(across the ring)and in 18k white gold. Starting to build stock for Christmas already. Sorry for the poor photography, but I'm a jeweler and don't intend on becoming a photographer ------------------ [This message has been edited by StevL (edited 07-27-2001).] |
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Shainie415 rough rock Posts: 5 |
Ok, so basically the cut is the thing that i should be focusing on here. I called up the jeweler and found out the cut specs from GIA, so here goes: Table: 72 Girdle: Med. to slightly thick Polish: Very Good Depth: 68 Range: 1.32 Flourescence: None The clarity is VVS2. What do you think? |
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StevL cut rock Posts: 134 |
Well, as you know there isn't an Ideal standard for fancies yet. But a very good guideline is Table from 59.0 to 65% Total depth from 60.0 to 65% So as you can see the low to mid sixties is pretty darn safe. I realize you can't always find exactly what you want, but you can try Just to note the one I posted above is 67.8D with a 62% table. I ment to ask is the range meaning ratio? I think thats what you/he means. So it should have a very near outline to the one I posted above, it is 1.29:1. ------------------ [This message has been edited by StevL (edited 07-27-2001).] |
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leonid Moderator Posts: 707 |
What do you think about price, Steve? |
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Shainie415 rough rock Posts: 5 |
So what youre saying SteveL is that the depth and table of the diamond that im looking at isnt good? or its just not perfect?? |
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StevL cut rock Posts: 134 |
Okay, I have twon questions. 1. The price is fair(honest), but they do have room to work a little if pushed hard. 2. You can find a better cut diamond but you may have to search for a while, and pay a little more(maybe). **I don't like getting into the price thing, I know the stone your looking at, so you really need to keep that between you and he. ------------------ |
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Shainie415 rough rock Posts: 5 |
Steve L: You think that I should negotiate the price? Also: Is the cut that I have bad?? Will it affect the glitter and shine dramatically? Thanks a lot for all your help by the way!! |
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StevL cut rock Posts: 134 |
Shainie415, I will not go anymore into the price thing. What your eye can see, and what your brain thinks is beautiful I can not tell or even guess at. If you have seen the diamond and you like it, And Have Compared To Know, then you have what you want. Heck, if my wife asked all her friends about me.......... well we wouldn't be married, and thank goodness she doen't have glasses ------------------ |
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Emrldforher rough rock Posts: 12 |
Shainie, Steve is giving you good advice and remaining honest. He doesn't want to push the price issue because he has access to a database of diamonds (as does your jeweler) and knows this individual diamond. It wouldn't be fair of him to tell you, "well I can sell this same diamond to you for$XX". So, he is trying to give you the best advice he can. As for cut, he is telling you that a good range of well-cut emeralds is what he posted. However, all fancy shapes really need to be seen to truly determine how well it "sparkles". He is commenting that the range he posted is usually a "safe bet" that it will be well cut. Steve, if I misrepresented your post in any way, please slap me! |
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Emrldforher rough rock Posts: 12 |
Shainie, One other question. You mentioned you like emerald cuts that are "long and skinny" and "rectangular, not squarish". Have you seen the diamond you are talking here about? As Steve said, I think the "range" you posted is the ltw ratio. If it is 1.29, it will be somewhat squarish like the photo of the diamond Steve posted. That's great if you like that shape. However, if you like longer and skinny, you might not like it. As a side note, my wife's is a little squarish, around 1.35 to 1 and we both love it! Its all about personal preference! E |
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lawmax cut rock Posts: 330 |
LOL Steve! I don't think so. |
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StevL cut rock Posts: 134 |
lawmax, Where did you come from? Geez.... don't let my picture out! ------------------ |
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lawmax cut rock Posts: 330 |
Steve, I promised I wouldn't. You know I'm an |
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lawmax cut rock Posts: 330 |
Leonid....what is the problem with the angel smilies? |
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StevL cut rock Posts: 134 |
It may be the angel ------------------ |
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leonid Moderator Posts: 707 |
what problem |
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StevL cut rock Posts: 134 |
Emrldforher, Very good and thoughtful information! Glad to see you drop in, don't be a stranger. ------------------ |
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lawmax cut rock Posts: 330 |
Forget it guys---it happened to Leonid earlier! I saw it. |
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lawmax cut rock Posts: 330 |
Hi E! ![]() |
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lawmax cut rock Posts: 330 |
Gorgeous diamond Steve! Wish I could get out there to see it. |
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leonid Moderator Posts: 707 |
nobody seen me doing it. you can't proove anything ![]() |
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lawmax cut rock Posts: 330 |
That's what you think! If you're an angel, I'm one for sure. |