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steve913
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posted 07-25-2001 03:39 PM    
I had a question. What is the difference between these diamonds for a regular consumer like me who is interested in buying an excellent diamond for an engagement ring?

I found a stone on Mondera.com that looked good on the Holloway (0.5 TIC) and that seemed like a fair price. But what are all these other cuts? I definitely want the maximum in all 3 brilliance, scint, and fire..

thanks!
 

StevL
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posted 07-25-2001 04:00 PM    
Just to get something started. Which of these would *you* consider a more beautiful diamond.

1. A diamond that displays intense white light reflecting from almost every angle, and displays a smaller amount of colored light.

Or

2. A diamond that displays intense colored light dancing from almost every angle, and displays a smaller amount of white light.

I'm asking this simple question because you can't really acheive the best of both worlds. You can reach a cross section, but you can't have maximum colored and white light return in the same diamond. When one goes up, the other tends to come down.

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steve913
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posted 07-25-2001 04:18 PM    
Do H&A, 8star and Superbcerts specialize in either the colors or the whitelight?

I suppose I would trade off the color for the white, but I would still like a lot of shine (I know that doesn't say much).

Does it make any difference if I buy an AGS000 ideal from Mondera.com, or if I get something specifically H&A or 8star, etc.?
 

StevL
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posted 07-25-2001 04:47 PM    
Sorry, double posted again.

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[This message has been edited by StevL (edited 07-25-2001).]
 

StevL
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posted 07-25-2001 04:49 PM    
The only diamond that is truely different is the Eightstar (this could be positive or negative to your eye). All of the branded heart and arrow diamonds have very much the same look. Many are even cut by the same cutters overseas. But I have always liked one brand of the heart and arrow type as I feel they are very consistant.

Now the cutters will jump up and down

Many of the H&A diamonds have very high white light return, and lower colored light return. The Eightstar has very high colored light return, and lower white light return.

The above is a general rule, not a hard fact that never changes.

Think of a crystal prism, in your eye do you admire the colors or the white light? Only you know exactly what you like.

Not all AGS000 are heart and arrow type diamonds. Don't think that they are, but still very beautiful diamonds in the top few percent of all the diamonds cut.

Best of luck in your hunt!

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leonid
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posted 07-25-2001 04:50 PM    
SuperbCert, A Cut Above and Eightstar diamonds are all cut very close to Tolkowski ideal proportions and have optimal balance of brilliance and fire. Besides, super ideal optical symmetry creates additional very pleasant contrast and crisp look of the stone.

Eightstar is different from all other H&A diamonds because it's cut to achieve special Firescope image.

However, only you can decide whether these exclusive features are worth something to you. Ideal cut diamond with HCA=0.5 you've found at Mondera is a great stone.

Post here more info (4C) and let's compare prices.

 

steve913
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posted 07-25-2001 05:19 PM    
thanks for the input everyone. here's the rock I found:

0.906 ct
VS1/G
Crown: 15.2% (34.5deg)
Pavil: 42.4% (40.5deg)
culet: 0.7%
table: 55.7%
total: 60.8%
girdle: 0.5 - 1.2
price: $5262

it kind of looks too good to be true almost. And the inclusions are off to the girdle and bottom
 

StevL
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posted 07-25-2001 05:41 PM    
Looks like a nice diamond by the numbers. I don't like to get into the price thing because everyone can be under sold.

But,I checked a few places and found a .91 AGS000 G VS1 at under 5k.

The price they are asking is very fair and I would never tell you to worry about the price of something you seem to like. Go for it!

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steve913
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posted 07-25-2001 05:49 PM    
yeah the only problem is that i can't see it! But I suppose I can get it and then go to a jewelry store to compare it physically... What do you think is the best thing? Numerically, it adds up to my satisfaction

and what do you think of the size onto a 6-prong? Are there 6-prong solitares that are not "Tiffany style" or is that the standard?

thanks for your help
 

StevL
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posted 07-27-2001 12:06 PM    
I think you like the diamond and should give it a try. Yes, there are options to having a six prong setting. I like the look of 4, but that is a personal opinion.

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RockDoc
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posted 07-27-2001 09:02 PM    

Check out my site.....

I think you'll find it answers all your concerns.


http://www.consumersgemlab.com


rockdoc

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leonid
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posted 07-27-2001 09:58 PM    
Hi Rockdoc, glad to see (read) you

 
steve913
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posted 08-01-2001 11:00 AM    
What is the 1A, 2A, etc. cut grading described on pricescope? If I have an ideal AGS000 diamond from Mondera, what cut grade is this condered in this system? thanks

 
leonid
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posted 08-01-2001 11:15 AM    
This cut grading system was developed by David Atlas, Acredited Gem Appraisers, www.gemappraisers.com .

It has been adopted by over 800 members of National Association of Jewelry Appraisers (NAJA).

1A class is much more strict than AGS0, i.e. if the diamond is AGS0 it doesn't mean it's 1A class. (see www.gemappraisers.com/chrt1.htm )

Here is the Q-Factor chart from www.cutstudy.com/cut with different cut grades put together by Sibelius. As you can see 1A AGA grade (white rectangle) is the most narrow and close to Tolkowski



 

steve913
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posted 08-06-2001 02:31 PM    
what do you think of those "Aglaia" diamonds? That packaging and scope that come with the diamond sure look good!

 
leonid
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posted 08-06-2001 02:43 PM    
Hi Steve913,

Check out this thread: Aglaia Diamonds?

 

LesleyH
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posted 08-06-2001 05:32 PM    
Steve:

Here's another great option:
http://www.whiteflash.com/wf/acut/free.asp

LesleyH www.whiteflash.com
 

leonid
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posted 08-06-2001 05:39 PM    
LesleyH... don't get me started...

You know the rules: give at least some education first, please...

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StevL
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posted 08-07-2001 11:29 AM    
steve913,
Put your efforts and money in the diamond you like. The packaging is fun and looks nice, but it ends up in a drawer not to be seen for years.

The diamond you will see every day.

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Paul
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posted 08-08-2001 01:06 PM    
Actually, your original question regarding which of the sparkling attributes corresponds to the most visually stimulating diamond, can be answered partially by a call I made to the manufacturer's of the BrillianceScope.

When I called them, if memory serves me correctly a few months ago, I think they said that scintillation is the most perceivable fire in a diamond, and thus, many customers find Diamond "X" with the same exact 4 c's as Diamond "Y" to be preferable depending on the scintillation readings. See Jonathon at GoodoldGold's postings on PriceScope or DimaondTalk sites for his comments based on customers' responses.

Apparently, white and color light aren't near as important.

- Paul
 

StevL
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posted 08-08-2001 02:26 PM    
Just remember that the Brilliancescope has a +/- 5% according to the manufacturer.

And scintillation is very inaccurate as No One has been able to produce scientific proof that they can measure it. The Bscope counts pixels of colored light and white light, and the difference is where they come up with scintillation. Not the true meaning of scintillation and not from all distances(only a few).

Maybe Johnathan would like to comment on this and a few other questions I have.

The best thing is to compare with your own eyes and see what you like.....it is your money.

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steve913
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posted 08-08-2001 07:37 PM    
well i was just about to order that rock I found, but it was just bought monday!!! doh!!

I guess now i can get my mind off that one, and get a D-F color stone.. :P

Thanks for all the input everyone! i'll check out that pkg at whiteflash.. the guy who's going to show me an aglaia diamond soon, has this 0.8/VS1/F for over $6k! that's probably not worth it.. even if it has the nice silver container
 

StevL
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posted 08-09-2001 04:52 PM    
Well, sorry about that.

The lesson is, when you find the diamond you love go for it quickly, it may not be around very long.

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